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What makes FC-20 a 5th gen aircraft?
Will it have TVC ASEA or European avionics?
I dont see any Chinese radar capable to be in a league of 5th gen radar, so if PAF does intend to equip FC-20 with european radar most likely French "RBE2" and anything less then this will not make FC-20 anywhere close to 5th or 4.5th gen MRCA.:undecided:
 
23march, the info you posted above on the J-10 might as well be worthless. china does not reveal anything about its military ambitions. that's why you'll see a lot of criticism and concerns.

In the late 1990s, the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence estimated that the J-10 could be as maneuverable as the U.S. F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. this is no laughing matter, if it's good enough for the PAF, then it certainly is one of THE BEST aircraft.

as for the ACM classifying the FC-20 as a fifth generation fighter, maybe he thinks the F-22 and F-35 are sixth generation? Maybe he doesn't know that there is a separate classification of 4.5th generation fighters?
 
23march, the info you posted above on the J-10 might as well be worthless. china does not reveal anything about its military ambitions. that's why you'll see a lot of criticism and concerns.

In the late 1990s, the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence estimated that the J-10 could be as maneuverable as the U.S. F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. this is no laughing matter, if it's good enough for the PAF, then it certainly is one of THE BEST aircraft.

as for the ACM classifying the FC-20 as a fifth generation fighter, maybe he thinks the F-22 and F-35 are sixth generation? Maybe he doesn't know that there is a separate classification of 4.5th generation fighters?

I am aware of that fact. just maneuverability does not make a fighter world class and their is no dough that F-16 is more maneuverable then F-18 and J-10 with canards and TVC will leave teens in dust! F-18 is merely concentrated with electronic warfare then maneuverability.
But i am pretty much sure that ACM is aware of the fact 4 4.5 5th gen aircraft classification and their is no 6th gen. maybe he meant 4.5 gen?
 
In the late 1990s, the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence estimated that the J-10 could be as maneuverable as the U.S. F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

Did you say super hornet, mate super hornet is not particularly known for manuverability
 
23march, the info you posted above on the J-10 might as well be worthless. china does not reveal anything about its military ambitions. that's why you'll see a lot of criticism and concerns.

In the late 1990s, the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence estimated that the J-10 could be as maneuverable as the U.S. F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. this is no laughing matter, if it's good enough for the PAF, then it certainly is one of THE BEST aircraft.

as for the ACM classifying the FC-20 as a fifth generation fighter, maybe he thinks the F-22 and F-35 are sixth generation? Maybe he doesn't know that there is a separate classification of 4.5th generation fighters?
The media screwed up, ACM didn't say 5th generation at all.
 
Analysis: China's fighter planes -- Part 1

Published: May 29, 2008 at 4:39 PM

By ANDREI CHANG
HONG KONG, May 29 (UPI) -- Front-line combat units of China's People's Liberation Army air force will have at least 112 J-10 fighter jets by the end of the year, an analysis of current deployments and in-progress production reveals.

There are multiple indications that the 2nd Regiment of the No. 1 Division of the People's Liberation Army air force has received a full complement of the domestic-made, next-generation fighter jets run by the 4th J-10 -- J-10A -- Fighter Regiment.
Each such regiment normally is equipped with 28 fighters; 28 link-structured aircraft hangars have been constructed at Chifeng Air Base, where the regiment is based. The exterior structure of these hangars is very similar to those at the Changxing Air Base run by the No. 3 Division, and the runway at Chifeng seems to have undergone renovation.

The PLA air force currently has three other J-10 regiments. They are the 132nd Regiment under the No. 44 Division, based at Luliang in southern Yunnan province, the 8th Regiment under No. 3 Division, based at Changxing in the east coast province of Zhejiang, and the 5th Regiment under the No. 2 Division, based at Guilin in the southeast province of Guangxi, which borders Vietnam.

An educated guess puts the number of J-10A fighter jets that China has already manufactured at 120. Within this year, China is expected to receive a new batch of 50 Russian-made AL31FN engines, bringing the total number of these imported engines to 304.

China has been importing engines at a ratio of two for every one completed fighter jet, presumably for backup. This means the PLA air force already has enough engines to provide aircraft for a 5th J-10 Fighter Regiment. It can be concluded that the fighters currently under manufacture are for this fifth regiment, due to be completed in 2009.

The J-10 fighter deployment within the PLA air force basically has followed the same pattern as that of the earlier Russian Sukhoi Su-27 fighters and China's domestic version, the J-11. At least one J-10 regiment is first established in the air force division of each major military region, so that these air force units can become familiar with the operation of third-generation fighters. This practice is also intended to achieve balanced development of each military region.

The regiments that have received J-10 fighters all have had experience using J-11 fighters -- for instance, the No. 3, No. 2 and No. 1 Divisions. The only exception is the No. 44 Division, which was the first one to receive J-10 fighters.

This may be because the division's 132nd Regiment, stationed at Luliang, is far from the Taiwan Strait and therefore it would have been easier to conceal the aircrafts' deployment there. Moreover, Luliang is geographically close to Vietnam and India. India is quite familiar with Russian Sukhoi fighters, and thus it makes sense to deploy J-10A fighters in this region first.

It is significant that the No. 1 Division in north China is among the first bases to receive a complement of J-10 fighters.

Next: Strengthening military power in Shandong

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(Andrei Chang is editor in chief of Kanwa Defense Review Monthly, registered in Toronto.)
 
It seems we don't have to worry about J-10 couldn't carry enough MRAAMs...:yahoo:

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J-10 in above pictue does not have those supporting bars above air intake.
Was it an earlier version or a version with different engine?
BTW, what does 1068 stand for? it can't be the serial number!
 
where is this J-10 parked - downtown beijing!

The missiles attached are fakes not original, You never do repairs or fix the plane in the middle of down town or even on the base with such explosives attached , but like you said know we know they can carry AM's.
 
Well here is an interview ACM regarding J-10(FC-20)...........Plus according to the report and his interview, he himself has doubts about the latest F-16 deal, though he said its unlikely that its gonna happen, as we have alternatives, ready as a back-up, i wonder what those alternatives will be? French or chinese???

YouTube - Pakistan Airforce acquiring 5th generation advanced fighters
 
J-10 in above pictue does not have those supporting bars above air intake.
Was it an earlier version or a version with different engine?

Seems like an earlier picture with huge air intake (15-20% overcapacity). Later versions have much flatter intake and various supporting bars.
 

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