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Don't Be Scared to Squeeze Pakistan

Exactly, the US can seriously hurt Pakistan by pressurising IMF, World Bank and other economic bodies. People forget that with all its flaws the US is still the sole military and economic power in the world, China, Russia and others will think twice if they were to seriously endanger US interests.

There is really no need for USA to consider any of those options as it continues to have a working relationship with Pakistan. It can be improved, yes, but it remains functional.
 
Unlikely. China would not like to be dragged into bankrolling the armed forces of a particular nation and be seen as overtly tilting towards any nation.

china is world power and it see the actions and statements against it, both the silk route and CPEC are vital for China

the U.S and allies want china cornered
 
China.

China

That is an option.

And again,China.

China has far bigger strategic interests in terms of its relations with the US comparing to Pakistan. When it comes to bigger scheme of things if shit hits the fan, China will dump Pakistan in a second if Chinese relations vis-a-vis US were to be a in a serious downhill spiral.
 
Look my friend I sincerely want Pakistan to thrive, a thriving and peaceful Pakistan positively affects Afghanistan.
But you can't just wish things and for things to take a positive turn, Pakistan is really hurting itself by following current security centric policies. It needs to make a pivot, make piece with its neighbours and focus on improving herself economically. You are nuclear power, none in the region can match you militarily because of nuclear deterrence.
Pakistan is doing what every other country including the current Afghan regime, US and India are doing, that is following their own interests. Pakistan has its legitimate concerns in Afghanistan something which you cannot brush aside. Afghanistan under the current regime in entirely in Indian camp and fully supporting anti Pakistan elements. In such a case you cannot expect Pakistan to simply ignore what happens on our western front. Pakistan paid a price once dearly resulting in the loss of our eastern wing. If India is in Afghanistan that would remain a problem for Pakistan as long as Afghans allow their territory to be used against Pakistan.
And on isolation part if you think just because of US Pakistan will get isolated, i doubt that considering our relations are warming up with Russia and China is fully backing Pakistan. Like i said you cannot dismiss Chinese clout. A case in point just look at how Chinese are backing Pakistan for NSG and keeping India out despite of full US support. So you see Pakistan is not isolated, it never was. Our interests dont align and that is the sad part after all it was Pakistan that opened its doors for millions of Afghan refugees and still does. Something you lot forgot.
Where do you think or better yet what do you think would have happened to all those Afghans had Pakistan not opened its door?
 
There is really no need for USA to consider any of those options as it continues to have a working relationship with Pakistan. It can be improved, yes, but it remains functional.

Relationship yes, but definitely a marriage from hell.

You seem to live in the US, how do you gauge US relationship with Pakistan and how it has evolved for better or worse over the last couple of years? Judging by the US press, it seems that Pakistani leadership is seriously underestimating the ill will on the US side.
 
I think your country having foreign occupiers and murderous western patrons, is what is killing your civilians. Tell them to leave and come to an agreement with the Pakhtuns and you will come to see peace. Don't put this in Pakistans court.
 
Pakistan returned to the headlines last month, after a U.S. air strike eliminated Afghan Taliban commander Mullah Mansour inside Pakistani territory. It marked the first ever U.S. strike on an Afghan Taliban leader inside the group’s Pakistani sanctuary of Baluchistan, which had been off-limits to U.S. drones as part of an informal arrangement with Islamabad. Washington has touted the drone strike as an important victory for the U.S. war effort in Afghanistan. However, it will prove symbolic and short-lived unless it prompts more fundamental reform of America’s Pakistan policy. To effect real change, Washington must increase pressure not just on the Taliban residing in Pakistan, but on Pakistan itself.

After a U.S. military drone eliminated commander Mullah Mansour as he traveled by taxi to the Afghan Taliban headquarters in Quetta, the militant group moved swiftly to appoint a successor. The sons of Mullah Omar and Jalaluddin Haqqani, the late leaders of the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani Network, were considered and quickly dismissed due to their youth and inexperience. A more obscure religious figure, Mullah Haibatullah Akhundzada, arose as the consensus candidate. Analysts have now turned their attention to what Akhundzada’s appointment means for the nascent Afghan peace process, and whether the strike was a “one-off” or the catalyst for an expansion of America’s drone campaign into Baluchistan.

While these are important tactical questions, they’re of limited value if the underlying strategy remains flawed. A more consequential question is why Pakistan’s harboring of yet another terrorist commander has been met with a collective shrug by the United States and the international community. It’s an uncomfortable reminder that Pakistan’s “double game” has become old news. Accepted wisdom. Permitted behavior. In Washington, anger has been dimmed by exhaustion, with many now hoping to reach a modicum of stability in Afghanistan and put the whole messy affair behind them. History, however, has been unkind to great powers that fail to learn from their mistakes.

To be clear, few in Washington are under any illusions about the extent of Pakistan’s perfidy. Hillary Clinton has warned that Pakistan “poses a mortal threat to the security and safety of our country and the world.” In his memoir, Defense Secretary Robert Gates recalled how “in every instance” the United States shared intelligence with Pakistan about a target, “the target was forewarned and fled” or Pakistan launched a botched operation of its own. “I knew they were really no ally at all,” he explained.

America suffers not from a lack of information, but from a lack of resolve. And a lack of perspective. They say the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist. The greatest trick Pakistan ever pulled was convincing America it only had two choices: tolerate and bankroll Pakistan’s double game, or stir an unstable cocktail of Islamist extremism and weapons of mass destruction.

It’s nonsense—a fabricated dichotomy in a fictional reality where the mere specter of U.S. pressure threatens the integrity of the Pakistani state, where the million-man Pakistani army is powerless to protect its nuclear arsenal and where a severing of bilateral relations would prove more costly to the United States than to Pakistan. This narrative has ensured the U.S. toolbox is brimming with $20 billion in carrots but desperately lacking in sticks. What’s worse, the sticks America does possess are only to be wielded in the event Pakistan crosses an existential threshold, such as a successful terrorist attack on U.S. soil planned or perpetrated from its territory.

Arguably the fundamental flaw in America’s Pakistan strategy was withholding its sticks for this single punitive threshold and refusing to apply calculated, escalating pressure in response to repeated bouts of Pakistani malfeasance short of that threshold.

A punitive threshold should have been crossed the first time U.S. intelligence intercepted Pakistan’s notorious intelligence service, the ISI, feeding the Taliban information about U.S. airstrikes, or aided them in organizing attacks in Afghanistan. Or when the Haqqani Network, a known proxy of the ISI, orchestrated the deadliest attack on the CIA in the agency’s history in 2009. Or when the same group orchestrated an attack on the U.S. embassy in Afghanistan two years later. Above all, it should have been crossed when Pakistan’s “game” resulted in the death of American servicemen and women in Afghanistan.

Each flagrant offense should have triggered an escalating wave of pressure, from suspension of aid to economic isolation, and from targeted sanctions on the ISI or Pakistani military to unilateral kinetic operations inside Pakistan against nonstate and, if necessary, state actors. The pressure should have continued until the United States was convinced Pakistan had altered its course. That’s what superpowers do when their interests are threatened and their soldiers are under fire. And that’s what “making no distinctions between terrorism and those who harbor them” means.

Instead, America has responded to each Pakistani provocation with lucrative aid and scholarly lectures about the unethical and counterproductive nature of its support for Islamist militants. Yet from Pakistan’s perspective, its strategy has been anything but counterproductive. For the past decade a formidable coalition of powers has been committed to a secure and stable Afghanistan free from Taliban rule. They include the United States, Russia, Iran, India, the EU, Central Asia and even China. The lone country pursuing a weak and divided Afghanistan under Taliban rule has not only bested this coalition, it’s forced them to bankroll their own defeat. The problem isn’t with them; it’s with us.

The next U.S. president must learn from, and avoid repeating, the mistakes of their predecessors. My advice: trying to alter Islamabad’s cost-benefit calculation without imposing costs is a fool’s errand. Don’t be afraid to use calibrated pressure as a direct response to Pakistani transgressions. And don’t conclude that employing sticks will produce catastrophe before you’ve deployed your first.

Don’t accept the canard that nuclear terrorism is the only alternative to the status quo. And don’t be deluded into thinking America is a hopeless victim at the mercy of the Pakistani military, incapable of imposing unbearable costs on any person, group or institution it deems a threat to national security.

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/dont-be-scared-squeeze-pakistan-16518?page=2

NO america. You are the world's biggest bullying psychopath. The murderer of millions of innocent babies, women and children. You are only good at fighting super weak, demoralised and vulnerable nations like Iraq and Afghanistan. You are annoyed that you or no other nation on earth can invade Pakistan without taking unacceptable damage and suffering catastrophic consequences. You only attack when you know there can be no meaningful response. Just ask the Iraqis. They'll give you a detailed analysis of this. You have your interests and we have our own. Leave us in peace. We'd be more than happy to have nothing to do with you.
 
China has far bigger strategic interests in terms of its relations with the US comparing to Pakistan. When it comes to bigger scheme of things if shit hits the fan, China will dump Pakistan in a second if Chinese relations vis-a-vis US were to be a in a serious downhill spiral.
Interesting reponse.
 
So you are saying Pakistan has been supporting a stable Afghanistan in the last 15 years by supporting Tali proxies who have killed on average 100 Afghans each day?

Wow thats an interesting way of supporting Afghan stability.

Sorry for the harsh tone of my post, but we need to be frank with each other. If Pakistan carry on with its current policies, it will isolate itself further, reason being you are countering US interests and endangering a US ally aka Afghanistan.

i am saying it is no longer in our national interest to help Afghanistan

initially it was but as soon as we did, Afghan politicians not only spoke against us but invited and supported out mortal enemy india

a unforgivable sin

I do not see the benefit of a stable Afghanistan to us anymore, for what purpose? so it can help the U.S or india against us

i rather see Afghanistan as an enemy and a risk

Pakistan has superb relations with China, Turkey, GCC and far beyond, how are we isolated. the USA is a pain in the *** we can do without
 
china is world power and it see the actions and statements against it, both the silk route and CPEC are vital for China

Historically, China has worked on principle of avoiding conflict. It shall ensure security of its investments in CPEC, which I believe it already has, you shall be able to shed light on that aspect.

However, bankrolling Pakistani Army will be counter productive as it may entail costs which China may not want added on .. in terms pf political and diplomatic capital.
 
Vali Nasr in his book wrote at some length about Pakistan (a nation he dislikes intensely) and the US and he pointed out that US politician and decision makers have fairly warped views about their actual assistance and influence in Pakistan. US "Aid", is one of them, most of it has been in the forms of reimbursements for usage of our facilities and costs. Shutting off "aid" ain't going to help. Going to the IMF and WB and pressuring them to stop lending is going to backfire, these institutions are international (and with AIIB, ADB there are alternatives) and the precedent that they can be used for foreign policy purposes is not one they will want to set.
 
Relationship yes, but definitely a marriage from hell.

You seem to live in the US, how do you gauge US relationship with Pakistan and how it has evolved for better or worse over the last couple of years? Judging by the US press, it seems that Pakistani leadership is seriously underestimating the ill will on the US side.

Ignore the press, since it is nearing an election and all sorts of hysteria is being pumped up. USA and Pakistan do have, and will continue to have, a working relationship despite any temporary ups and downs.
 
Pakistan is doing what every other country including the current Afghan regime, US and India are doing, that is following their own interests. Pakistan has its legitimate concerns in Afghanistan something which you cannot brush aside. Afghanistan under the current regime in entirely in Indian camp and fully supporting anti Pakistan elements. In such a case you cannot expect Pakistan to simply ignore what happens on our western front. Pakistan paid a price once dearly resulting in the loss of our eastern wing. If India is in Afghanistan that would remain a problem for Pakistan as long as Afghans allow their territory to be used against Pakistan.
And on isolation part if you think just because of US Pakistan will get isolated, i doubt that considering our relations are warming up with Russia and China is fully backing Pakistan. Like i said you cannot dismiss Chinese clout. A case in point just look at how Chinese are backing Pakistan for NSG and keeping India out despite of full US support. So you see Pakistan is not isolated, it never was. Our interests dont align and that is the sad part after all it was Pakistan that opened its doors for millions of Afghan refugees and still does. Something you lot forgot.
Where do you think or better yet what do you think would have happened to all those Afghans had Pakistan not opened its door?

Rookie mistake 101, by automatically marking and putting your immediate neighbour with her you have more in common to the Indian camp. Smart people make allies, you seem to be making enemies by automatically defaulting countries in your competitors camp :)

By that logic, the only country that you can work with is China, because Iran which signed a chabahar contract with India is already in the Indian camp,along with Saudi,UAE and other allies.
 
So you are saying Pakistan has been supporting a stable Afghanistan in the last 15 years by supporting Tali proxies who have killed on average 100 Afghans each day?

Wow thats an interesting way of supporting Afghan stability.

Sorry for the harsh tone of my post, but we need to be frank with each other. If Pakistan carry on with its current policies, it will isolate itself further, reason being you are countering US interests and endangering a US ally aka Afghanistan.
Pakistan will do what Pakistan perceives as its interests, and of Afghans, Americans, or hell, aliens from Alpha Centuari don't like it, well thats just too bad.
 

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