Is ‘Make In India’ working? India to get leftovers as China challenges electronics manufacturing gia

[EndangeredSpecies]

Whatever you believe, we don't care. as long as we know what we believe is ok enough.

Issue is that what you are saying is contradictory to the action of your government.

"We do not care if you don't trust us!'
"We want you to trust us and join BRI for mutual benefit of Asia!"

See?

 

[ashok321]

Demonetisation benefits will be realized in future - Modi
GST benefits will be realized in future - Modi
My foreign trips benefits will be realized in future - Modi
Farmers benefits will be realized in future - Modi
Terrorism would be finished in future - Modi
Naxalism would be kaput in future - Modi
Jobs will be coming after 2019 elections - Modi


PCB production would make India a superpower - PDF Modians.

Lol at these morons, Modi included.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

PCB production would make India a superpower - PDF Modians.

You need to give it to India...they are future perfect.

 

[beijingwalker]

Issue is that what you are saying is contradictory to the action of your government.

"We do not care if you don't trust us!'
"We want you to trust us and join BRI for mutual benefit of Asia!"

See?

Indian government say the same thing to sound nice diplomatically, we never turst each other, everyone can see, don't fool yourself.

 

[R0H1T]

Not exactly, China is moving up in value chain of manufacturing.

Not entirely, as I said there's not much room at the top. There's also not too many steps to go from designing chips to making them. Right now they're trying their hand at DRAM & display panels, both of which are relatively low margin but high volume as compared to complex chips.

 

[ashok321]

Chinese are not bringing their Premier Xi, while Indians do bring in Modi who is irrelevant here.
Chinese forum members are bringing in facts (Indian source) in the form of graph as follows & which explains everything:

Despite that, Indians/Modians indulge in humbug, just to camouflage their jittery behavior and to not be ashamed further.

Is (India supplied) image not worth 1000 words?
Lol baba lol

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Yes, it is assembly and it will bring more surface mounted PCB manufacturing work and related technology in India adding up the local value add. PCB manufacturing is certainly one step ahead of what we are doing. You don't go from zero local manufacturing to full fabrication of chips in two years or so.

PCB assembly looks like this, which Foxconn has started in India. Computer Chip manufacturing and IC's(micro chip) manufacturing is a separate thing, takes a lot of other innovation and R&D.

http://www.rediff.com/business/slid...t-for-india-to-manufacture-chips/20130503.htm

 

[YogaMudra]

Not exactly, China is moving up in value chain of manufacturing.

That also means lesser jobs, not more jobs.

Also, that involves a lot of IP protection and china is not exactly known for that.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

Not entirely, as I said there's not much room at the top.

There is quite some space! Take ARM and Intel for example. Their processor designs rule the entire length and breadth of IT. China might want to see their own processor design in that position. Designed in China and Made in China. Used all over the world.
Or OS for example. Windows, Android, iOS, MacOS and Linux. This covers about 99% of whole of OS arena.
Or communication tech. Qualcomm and TI rule the current generation of Mobile data standard. There is a reason why China wanted to buy parts of Qualcomm. Also, why China is yelling and telling everyone that they have made first '5G call'.
There is quite a hell lot of head space available.

There's also not too many steps to go from designing chips to making them.

Nope! In India we have been designing chips for quite sometime. Intel has a major presence in B'lore and entire chipset for motherboard has been and still is designed in India along with pre-silicon validation using FPGAs. And taped out for manufacturing in places like Israel etc. It takes a hell lot of steps from designing to manufacturing chip. Fabrication, obviously the hardest step, Packaging, another specialized technology are just to name two. We are not doing either of them locally at scale. There are few small clean-rooms doing small production for application like defence and research.

Right now they're trying their hand at DRAM & display panels, both of which are relatively low margin but high volume as compared to complex chips.

Oh they are trying everything!
RAM, NAND flash, 5G communication and processor too!
They made that massive supercomputer for a reason. To prove that they have mastered designing and manufacturing processors at scale.

That also means lesser jobs, not more jobs.

Also, that involves a lot of IP protection and china is not exactly known for that.

Lesser, but higher paying jobs.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Not entirely, as I said there's not much room at the top. There's also not too many steps to go from designing chips to making them. Right now they're trying their hand at DRAM & display panels, both of which are relatively low margin but high volume as compared to complex chips.

....this is an old myth, need to be changed.


march 2018 article...link below

Global filings up and China moves closer to the top spot
The latest data on global patent applications indicates that innovation activity has increased for the 8th year in a row and applications from China grew by 36 percent in 2017.

Data released by the World Intellectual Property Organisation (WIPO) has revealed that that the number of applications made under the organisation’s Patent Cooperation Treaty (PCT) increased by 4.5 percent to around 243,500 in 2017. The US represents the biggest source of filings, whilst China has moved into second position; pushing Japan into third. China could overtake the US as the biggest source of applicants in three years based on current trends, according to WIPO.

https://bdaily.co.uk/articles/2018/03/22/global-filings-up-and-china-moves-closer-to-the-top-spot

 

[YogaMudra]

Lesser, but higher paying jobs.

Considerably lesser jobs when compared to 1.2 million low end jobs.

How many high paying jobs will it create ? 10,000 ? 40,000 ? 100,000 ? its going to be less than 10%.

Not to mention that no many foreign company would be willing to share its valuable IP in china.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

PCB assembly looks like this, which Foxconn has started in India. Computer Chip manufacturing and IC's(micro chip) manufacturing is a separate thing, takes a lot of other innovation and R&D.

The picture looks more like assembly of a computer not PCB manufacturing and assembly. It will be more like this :

Chip Manufacturing is totally different beast. It is usually called fabrication and packaging.

Not to mention that no many foreign company would be willing to share its valuable IP in china.

Thats the point about moving up the value chain. You produce your own IP! China is now designing its own processor with 'inspirations' from lot of US designs ofcourse. Its own 5G chip. Mobile GPUs. RAM.

Considerably lesser jobs when compared to 1.2 million low end jobs.

How many high paying jobs will it create ? 10,000 ? 40,000 ? 100,000 ? its going to be less than 10%.

Not to mention that no many foreign company would be willing to share its valuable IP in china.

Those jobs will still be in millions. Any country that develops moves its population from low skill jobs to higher skill jobs. It will be US and Europe all over again.

 

[YogaMudra]

Indian government say the same thing to sound nice diplomatically, we never turst each other, everyone can see, don't fool yourself.

Yes, don't fool yourself.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

The picture looks more like assembly of a computer not PCB manufacturing and assembly. It will be more like this :

Ajey Mehta, head of India operations at HMD Global, had told ET earlier that the company was working with its partners to manufacture more components in India. “SMT is definitely on the card for us,” he said. SMT, or surface mounting technology, lines are used for assembling PCBs.


so this is future proposition, the above picture and manufacturing(SMT), not done in India as yet. Check the last para.

//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/63552812.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst[/QUOTE]

 

[ashok321]

India does not have what it takes to achieve parity with Malaysia or Vietnam - leave the China & Singapore alone.

India dedicates just 0.70 % of its GDP towards R&D while its much more for China/Israel and other countries:

India's R&D spend stagnant for 20 years at 0.7% of GDP

"India's spending on R&D (about 0.6 per cent of GDP) is well below that in major nations such as the US (2.8), China (2.1), Israel (4.3) and Korea (4.2)," the survey said.

Modi is fooling his compatriots for votes to remain in power forever/perpetually.

According to the Survey, East Asian countries like China, Japan and Korea have seen dramatic increases in R&D as a percentage of GDP as they have become richer.

"India, on the other hand, has only seen a slight increase. In fact, in 2015, there was a sizable decline in R&D spending even as GDP per capita continued to rise. At its current rate, India would just barely reach GERD of 1 per cent of GDP by the time it was as rich as the USA," it added.

Modians are out to outsmart Chinese posters by ganging up against them with their obfuscation.
Does not work like this.