JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 1]

[Muradk]

Congrats now PAF has 6 JF-17s. and we will see all of them on 23rd march.

 

[blain2]

Congrats now PAF has 6 JF-17s. and we will see all of them on 23rd march.

That is what I hear too sir! Great news mashallah!

 

[IceCold]

Congrats now PAF has 6 JF-17s. and we will see all of them on 23rd march.

So were these jets delivered from china? Because pakistan started production in 2008.

 

[EagleEyes]

So were these jets delivered from china? Because pakistan started production in 2008.

Yes, of course.

Congrats now PAF has 6 JF-17s. and we will see all of them on 23rd march.

Told you it was four!

 

[con]

Has JF-17 test fired a BVR so far? I would be interested to know the radar involved.

Are there any plans for two seaters?

 

[IceCold]

Has JF-17 test fired a BVR so far? I would be interested to know the radar involved.

Are there any plans for two seaters?

The KLJ radar is the one used in the JF-17 for the first batch and it is capable of firing the SD-10 giving PAF its first operational BVR capability. As for the testing well there wasnt any official news on this so far, i think weapons testing and integration will be during this year.
There are plans for the two seater trainner, in which they will actually extend the fuselage for incorporating the second pilot seat and avonics. But when will that happens still remains to be seen.

 

[Malik Usman]

That's realy good information, first time read such a detailed info about JF-17

 

[fatman17]

China's JF-17 draws interest from Asia, Africa

Jon Grevatt Jane's Asia-Pacific Industry Reporter - Bangkok

Up to 20 Asian and African countries have expressed an interest in procuring the JF-17 light fighter aircraft, the vice-president of China's National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corporation (CATIC) has told Jane's.

The aircraft is currently being jointly developed and manufactured by the China Aerospace Industry Corporation and the Pakistan Aeronautics Corporation for the two countries' respective air forces. Eventually, however, China hopes for global exports of the aircraft with the platform's cost being the main selling point.

Yang Ying, vice-president of CATIC - China's largest aviation industry trading company - said on 19 February at the Singapore Airshow: "We don't only want to sell this aircraft to Pakistan. When we first thought of the JF-17, we wanted to export this aircraft globally, particularly to African and Asian countries.

"We entered into an agreement with Pakistan for them to jointly develop the aircraft and we are interested in joining other countries for similar partnerships or in selling the aircraft directly to them."

Ying added: "China Aviation Industry Corporation I and II sell military products to more than 40 countries around the world. At least half of them have expressed an interest in the JF-17. This is especially the case in Asia and Africa.

"Many countries in these regions have second-generation aircraft that will need to be phased out in a few years, so we feel there are many opportunities for JF-17 sales.

"We know that many of our customers might also look at the F-16 or the Sukhoi, but we also know that we have a specific advantage with the JF-17; it is much cheaper than other aircraft. We think it is about one third of the cost of an F-16."

Ying would not reveal the countries that CATIC was in discussion with. However, he added: "We sell a range of products to Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Myanmar, Laos, Thailand, Indonesia and we are also looking at possible sales to the Philippines."

Ying also told Jane's that "no problems exist" with the installation of the aircraft's Russian-made turbofan engines. It had previously been reported that Russia had stalled over allowing the Klimov RD-93 engine to be exported to China before being shipped to Pakistan in the JF-17.

Moscow is thought to have hesitated over the deal due to concerns centred on its longstanding defence relationship with India.

Ying said on 19 February that certain conditions, which he would not reveal, were placed on the deal that allowed the export of the engine to Pakistan.

"No problems exist with the export of the engine at all," said Ying. "They have approved the export based on some conditions. It is a package deal and it is being successfully exported."

The Pakistan Air Force received its first two Chinese-built JF-17s in February 2007. It aims to assemble its first squadron of 10 to 12 aircraft by the end of 2008, leading to the acquisition of up to 250 units.

Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) has opened discussions with the Thai government that could lead to the export of its T-50 Golden Eagle supersonic trainer aircraft, the company told Jane's on 19 February.

"We are looking at air forces in the region that have fourth-generation fighters and could, in the future, perhaps look to fifth-generation fighters," said James Park, international marketing chief for KAI, at the Singapore Airshow.

"Thailand is especially of interest to us. We hope that in a few years there might be a requirement for a T-50 in Thailand. Talks with Thailand have recently started. These discussions are about their requirements and about equipment that we could possibly provide to Thailand."

 

[blain2]

Has JF-17 test fired a BVR so far? I would be interested to know the radar involved.

Are there any plans for two seaters?

Radar would be KLJ-7 mated to SD-10 initially. The western option and combination is under discussion currently.

 

[blain2]

Here is some more recent reporting on the western options for JF-17:
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...stan-high-tech-systems-fighter-developed.html

 

[Quwa]

IMO the French would be wasting their time offering RC400 for the 2nd JF-17 batch - and why would the Americans be 'worried'? The 2nd batch will enter production from 2011, and it is around that time the Chinese would be employing AESA on fighters. I think 2011 would also be the date when Selex and Northrop will offer AESA for JF-17-class light fighters. I doubt PAF and Thales are talking about RC400...IMO perhaps the talk is on an Thales AESA for JF-17...otherwise the Americans could care less.

 

[BATMAN]

Could these talks be involving French engines for JF-17? as I know all leading Indian fighter jets are powered with engines from 'Safran' and 'Snecma' helping to build Kaveri engine.
Thales and Sagem supplies avionics for LCA and night vision and gun control for Arjun Tank.

In such senario, what are the chances of Indian sabotage attempts and any eventual success?

 

[mxiong]

By 2009 JF-17 could be powered by WS-13 in case of Russian embargo.

 

[BATMAN]

By 2009 JF-17 could be powered by WP-13 in case of Russian embargo.

Good news, Is WP-13 different than WS-13?

 

[fatman17]

IMO the French would be wasting their time offering RC400 for the 2nd JF-17 batch - and why would the Americans be 'worried'? The 2nd batch will enter production from 2011, and it is around that time the Chinese would be employing AESA on fighters. I think 2011 would also be the date when Selex and Northrop will offer AESA for JF-17-class light fighters. I doubt PAF and Thales are talking about RC400...IMO perhaps the talk is on an Thales AESA for JF-17...otherwise the Americans could care less.

France, Pakistan Talking on Fighter

By JAMEY KEATEN 02.26.08, 12:56 PM ET


PARIS - France is in talks on providing high-tech missile and radar systems for a jet fighter that Pakistan is developing with China, a Defense Ministry official confirmed Tuesday.

Such a deal on Pakistan's JF-17 fighter would likely be opposed by the United States and Taiwan, analysts have said, out of concern that China could reap sensitive military technology.

Bruno Berthet, assistant director for international development at the French Defense Ministry, said France is considering such concerns as it works toward signing a provisional deal that could allow Pakistan to obtain air-to-air missiles from France's MBDA and radars from Thales.

No deal has been reached, "but the talks are on the right track, and there are diplomatic comings and goings between the two countries," Berthet told The Associated Press on the sidelines of a news conference. He said it was too early to say when a memorandum of understanding might be signed.

A deal would be a boon to French industry at a time when its overall economy has been lackluster, and government officials have been eager to support defense exports. A supply deal for the JF-17 fighter could be worth hundreds of millions of euros (dollars) to France, said Berthet.

The head of the French defense procurement agency, Francois Lureau, told the news conference that France's defense sector reaped an estimated 5.5 billion euros ($8.18 billion) worth of export contracts last year, and expected to reach 6 billion euros in 2008.

The MBDA missiles and radars similar to Thales' equip Taiwan's French-built Mirage fighters, and Taiwan's weapons systems could be compromised if Pakistan gave such know-how to China, Jane's Defense Weekly reported in September.

Berthet said there was "no pressure" from the United States, but acknowledged that French and American officials have held high-level talks over "a certain number of export principles."

"On the fighter plane, the French position is more ambitious than the American position," Berthet said. "Reciprocally, I note that the Americans export a certain amount of night-vision gear for Pakistan's land forces - which seems to us sensitive for other reasons."


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