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Chengdu FC-1/JF-17 Tweaked for Higher Performance
Aviation Week & Space Technology
11/28/2005, page 44

Robert Wall
Dubai

Printed headline: Fighter Fix

Pakistan and China are making configuration changes to the Chengdu FC-1/JF-17 to boost the fighter's performance in what is likely only the first of a series of iterations the aircraft will undergo in coming years.

In the run-up to limited batch production slated for next year, flight testing of a modified prototype, called TP4, is underway. This aircraft incorporates design changes including a larger inlet to boost top speed to around Mach 1.8 from below Mach 1.6. The center and aft fuselage configuration has also been tweaked.

Program officials say the higher speed was of interest to Pakistan and is considered important to maintain the fighter's export attractiveness. Although the program is still in its early stage, project managers see interest from Iran, Egypt and Malaysia for the JF-17.

The aircraft features a partial fly-by-wire system that controls yaw only. Pakistani officials say they opted for this configuration to keep the cost of the aircraft down. A full fly-by-wire system could have made the aircraft unaffordable, they suggest.

Pakistan and China are making changes to the basic FC-1 design to boost performance of the JF-17 derivative, including increasing the fighter's top speed.Credit: ROBERT WALL/AW&ST

Still ahead is testing of the avionics system, since most of the work to date has concentrated on structural matters. Two of five initial prototypes are used for fatigue and static testing, while the PT1 was the basic design of the Chinese FC-1. PT4 is the only aircraft so far to feature the design changes.

Pakistani officials expect the first contract for 16 aircraft (split equally with China) to be awarded next year, with deliveries as early as 2007. Those would undergo further flight-testing to refine the design and exercise subsystems, including avionics, that have not been explored.

A full-rate production contract would follow around 2009. Initially, Pakistan will provide 58% of the parts, but that is supposed to increase gradually to 100%. One of the big question marks over the project, though, is whether China will place its promised order, which is seen as vital to keeping the program moving forward.

The aircraft is powered by a Russian Klimov RD-93 engine with 11,340 lb. thrust. Maximum take-off weight is 28,066 lb., according to the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, an industrial partner in the program along with China's Chengdu.

The weapons package has not yet been settled. Despite speculation that China would push Pakistan to use its PL-12/SD-10 radar-guided weapon, Pakistani officials are keeping their options open, possibly as a bargaining chip to try to lower the cost of the SD-10. One senior Pakistani official said Pakistan would also be interested in technology transfer, with an eye on building its own missile capacity.

One outside candidate to meet its requirement for an infrared-guided dogfight missile for the aircraft could be Denel's A-Darter. The weapon has undergone some technology demonstration, but South Africa is still deciding whether to fund its full development which would take about five years or buy a weapon offshore, like the German IRIS-T. Current political sentiment is leaning toward funding A-Darter's development to maintain the country's industrial capacity, but a firm decision isn't expected until next year, and has slipped repeatedly.

South Africa has been discussing cooperation with Brazil, but with the latter's future fighter program in flux, the cooperative missile endeavor also has made little progress, a South African official says. Pretoria is looking for close cooperation with India, as well. However, controversy over an army weapons program could sideline Denel there, in which case the company might be drawn to Pakistan to expand A-Darter's sales potential, the official added
 
JF-17 Sino-Pakistani Fighter Improved London, Dec. 06 (PPI): The joint Sino-Pakistani FC-1/JF-17 light multirole fighter aircraft has undergone a major redesign, including changes to its air intakes as well as the wing-fuselage join and rear fuselage section. The fourth prototype with the modifications has completed three months of trials. The Chengdu FC-1, which will also be manufactured by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) as the JF-17, is an export-orientated programme under joint development by the two countries. The fourth prototype (TP4) with new features is well into its test programme while a fifth aircraft is being used for static testing (along with the second prototype), Janes Defence Weekly reported Tuesday. The PAC is establishing its own facility to build the aircraft and has been importing specialist machine tools from suppliers in Sweden, and elsewhere, to set up a better production line than the one already established at Chengdu. Work on the first PAC aircraft is expected to begin in 2006.(Posted @ 12:30 PST)

http://dawn.com/2005/12/06/welcome.htm
 
Ahsan you see how right i was lol you have to admit my info. what do u say i told you JF-17 would turn out to be a different beast especailly the 04 model there would be more changes to come soon we should look forward to that........
 
The uncertainity about the engine choice is killing me.
Wish more news was released on this matter.
Btw, do we have recent pictures of the 04 prototype?
 
Originally posted by Neo@Dec 7 2005, 02:58 PM
The uncertainity about the engine choice is killing me.
Wish more news was released on this matter.
Btw, do we have recent pictures of the 04 prototype?
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I know yaar, many defence forums i have visited have been killing me. These indians never leave a chance to attack on this subject. What is the status of engine choosing?

Neo here is the picture posted on the PF site.

I think this is the latest prototype pictures. You might wanna confirm it though. :hitwall:
 
Mysterious,

I believe your right on this. The picture you posted was an original picture of the 4th prototype, however i cannot guarantee that the design will remain the same.

The design was changed to improve the performance of the aircraft and also remove its glitchs it was providing.
 
yea.
that rumours about engine! some forums said that RD93 is a smooky engine having low performance(thrust). due to this low thrust, its speed and payload is low.

Mysterious,
where you posted that proto04 picture??
can you give me a link??

I have a picture of improved JF17s prototype 04 but its saved on my HDD and uploading is not an option here.
 
Originally posted by Owais@Dec 23 2005, 11:36 AM
yea.
that rumours about engine! some forums said that RD93 is a smooky engine having low performance(thrust). due to this low thrust, its speed and payload is low.

Mysterious,
where you posted that proto04 picture??
can you give me a link??

I have a picture of improved JF17s prototype 04 but its saved on my HDD and uploading is not an option here.
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He posted this picture: http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a216/cheenamalai4/pair.jpg

was deleted because he used the IMG tags. Enjoy!
 
Is there any news about JF-17 on its speed? Is it going to stay same at 1.6? or has it increased?
 
Originally posted by mysterious@Dec 25 2005, 05:14 AM
Is there any news about JF-17 on its speed? Is it going to stay same at 1.6? or has it increased?
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according to some sources, It was said that the ferry range of this aircraft is close to 3,500 km and an operational radius of more then 1350 km. payload will increase upto 4000kg but speed will remained at mach1.6.
 
Originally posted by Owais@Dec 25 2005, 11:27 AM
according to some sources, It was said that the ferry range of this aircraft is close to 3,500 km and an operational radius of more then 1350 km. payload will increase upto 4000kg but speed will remained at mach1.6
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Mattey your information is a bit old according to new information. The joint Sino-Pakistani FC-1/JF-17 light multirole fighter aircraft has undergone a major redesign, including changes to its air intakes as well as the wing-fuselage join and rear fuselage section. The fourth prototype with the modifications has completed three months of trials.

The conventional intake with splitter plates found on the first three aircraft has now been replaced with convex diverterless supersonic inlets (DSIs), similar to those found on Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft. The rounded 'bump' of the DSI compresses and redirects the oncoming boundary layer airflow that can otherwise cause airflow disruptions in the engine. The revised FC-1 now has a maximum speed of 1.8M, powered by a Russian-built Klimov RD-93 engine.
And for your information
Range: Ferry range 3,000 km; Operational Radius 1,352 km

Dont try to break you head on the wall try to remain updated
 
Originally posted by kashifshahzad@Dec 25 2005, 05:13 PM
The revised FC-1 now has a maximum speed of  1.8M, powered by a Russian-built Klimov RD-93 engine.

Kashif, I wasn't aware of this development, but if true it would boost performance indeed.

Could you please provide some link to suuport the claim?
Thanks.
 
Originally posted by kashifshahzad@Dec 25 2005, 10:13 PM
Mattey your information is a bit old according to new information. The joint Sino-Pakistani FC-1/JF-17 light multirole fighter aircraft has undergone a major redesign, including changes to its air intakes as well as the wing-fuselage join and rear fuselage section. The fourth prototype with the modifications has completed three months of trials.

The conventional intake with splitter plates found on the first three aircraft has now been replaced with convex diverterless supersonic inlets (DSIs), similar to those found on Lockheed Martin's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter aircraft. The rounded 'bump' of the DSI compresses and redirects the oncoming boundary layer airflow that can otherwise cause airflow disruptions in the engine. The revised FC-1 now has a maximum speed of  1.8M, powered by a Russian-built Klimov RD-93 engine.
And for your information
Range: Ferry range 3,000 km; Operational Radius 1,352 km

Dont try to break you head on the wall try to remain updated
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I didn't heard about that speed is going to be mach 1.8.

According to my information, ferry range of modofied JF17 is around 3500km.

BTW: please give me a source that says that its speed is mach1.8
 
If these guys keep upgrading it like this, the thunder would never come in to production.
 
Originally posted by Owais+Dec 25 2005, 10:25 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Owais &#064; Dec 25 2005, 10:25 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>I didn&#39;t heard about that speed is going to be mach 1.8.
according to my information,  ferry range of modofied JF17 is around 3500km.

BTW: please give me a source that says that its speed is mach1.8
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Mate belive it or not the DSI has improved the speed from 1.6 mach to 1.8 this factor is important for PAF and also for the export market i have searched it from a search engine please do the same please write JF-17 with 1.8 mach speed.

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If these guys keep upgrading it like this, the thunder would never come in to production.[/quote]
Nope my dear, the new prototype has delayed the production 1 year ahead but it is good for PAF.Mattey there are different types of Varients you can see clearly that F-16 has different varients the latest varients are better in capebilities.Same is the case with all planes PAF will have the first batch for its inventory i think they are 50 in number they will have the same configration as the forth prototype has and the export version may differ it depends that how much friendly is the country is to which pakistan is going to export the aircraft.Then later the Chineese reverse enginerred engine can be installed in the thunders and there can be improvement in the radar and PAF can also think for the increase in the hardpoints as Rafale has.
 

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