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i just hope ac got the latest navy version of sukhoi or mig -35 rather than the mig-29 which india is purchasing :)

I think They have already decided to go with LCA + MiG 29 Combo for IAC.
I dont know if MiG 35 [ AkA Mig 29 OVT ] is carrier capable.
 
I think They have already decided to go with LCA + MiG 29 Combo for IAC.
I dont know if MiG 35 [ AkA Mig 29 OVT ] is carrier capable.

It is not and I don't think they will go that way. There was reports that Russia offers us AESA radar and the new engine of Mig 35 for the optional 30 Mig 29K that we can buy for our new carrier. So no need to make Mig 35 carrier capable now, the next navy fighter for them and us might be 5. Gen Pak Fa / FGFA.

Anyone heard something about that our new carrier will have skyjump and a catapult? Read something about that in an other forum but not sure about it. Could that be a possibility to use some MRCA Rafale, or F18 SH for IN?
 
What is difference between mig29 k and chiness navy version sukhoi .who is better?? can anyone tell me:rolleyes:
 
lol let us when it will be commissioned :P

Expected Date is 2012 and i tell you Either Pak or China are Not going to have a similar Ship in Next 5 Years after that.

why ?

It takes time to build.
 
Brother Su-33 is 80's machine and 29K's are Brand new Thing ......
 
su-33 are considered as the BEST CARRIER BASED aircraft even more after retiring the tomcats china is seriously in a tight spot we gotta wait and see what they are gonna come up with the WILL NOT ABANDON THEIR CARRIER
if they dont get SU-33 they will have to operate choppers from aircraft carriers
ONLY TIME WILL TELL :enjoy:

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su-33 are considered as the BEST CARRIER BASED aircraft even more after retiring the tomcats china is seriously in a tight spot we gotta wait and see what they are gonna come up with the WILL NOT ABANDON THEIR CARRIER
if they dont get SU-33 they will have to operate choppers from aircraft carriers
ONLY TIME WILL TELL :enjoy:

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But Do they have the Aircraft Carrier for that ?

I heard some were , that Russia fears Su-33 being copied by China , hence it may rule out the sale.
 
su-33 are considered as the BEST CARRIER BASED aircraft even more after retiring the tomcats china is seriously in a tight spot we gotta wait and see what they are gonna come up with the WILL NOT ABANDON THEIR CARRIER
if they dont get SU-33 they will have to operate choppers from aircraft carriers
ONLY TIME WILL TELL :enjoy:

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No you are wrong , if a Aircraft have Big playload , and High thrust .. That doesnt mean its an a best aircraft .


On 20 January 2004, Indian Navy signed a contract of 12 single-seat MiG-29K and four two-seat MiG-29KUB set delivery in the period from 2007 to 2009. Modification was made for Indian Navy requirement; now standard for all current production, featured Zhuk-ME radar, RD-33MK engine, combat payload up to 5,500 kg(Where Mig-29 can just 3,500kg), 13 hardpoints (inclusive of the multi-lock bomb carriers), additional fuel tanks situated in dorsal spine fairing and wing LERXs, increased total fuel capacity by 50% comparing to first variant of MiG-29 and updated 4-channel digital fly-by-wire flight control system. Current production MiG-29K and MiG-29KUB also share a full-sized two-seater style canopy. With special coatings MiG-29K radar reflecting surface is 4-5 times smaller than of basic MiG-29. Cockpit displays consist of wide HUD and three (seven on MiG-29KUB) colour LCD MFDs and French Sigma-95 satellite GPS module and Topsight E helmet-mounted targeting system. Compatible with the full range of weapons carried by the MiG-29M and MiG-29SMT.

You know Zhuk-ME ????

The N010M Zhuk-M is an advanced variant of the original N010 Zhuk radar introducing advanced air to surface functions like mapping and terrain following. The radar forms part of the MiG-29SMT upgrade, the Zhuk-ME finding success on export MiG-29 aircraft to countries like India. The radar features improved signal processing and has a detection range of up to 120 km vs a 5 m2 RCS target for the export variant, and up to 10 targets tracked and up to 4 attacked at once in air to air mode. The tracking range is 0.83 - 0.85 of the detection range. In air to surface mode the radar can detect a tank from up to 25 km away and a bridge from 120 km away, a naval destroyer could be detected up to 300 km away and up to two surface targets can be tracked at once. The radar has a weight of 220 kg and a scanning area of +/- 85 degrees in azimuth and +56/-40 in elevation. The antenna is an electronically scanned slotted planar array and has a diameter of 624 mm .

Here Comes Su-33

During testing, each pilot made 400 landings on a concrete runway matching the size, and shape of the carrier deck (the NITKA), in order to practice no-flare landing technique before making an actual landing on a carrier deck. Despite this, at one point a minor accident occurred during a touch-and-go. During a landing, the wind blew at 45 degrees to the port beam causing the prototype (then called T-10K), piloted by Victor Pugachev, to drift 3 meters off course, nearly causing an accident. As the aircraft cleared the deck, a landing gear oleo struck several struts on the lower hull sponson. The struts buckled but the aircraft was undamaged. The pilots of both the MiG-29K ‘Fulcrum-D’ and Su-27K had all already seen the struts but did not complain about the placement because they were below flight deck level, their only objection being the turbulence generated by the sponson, which was later fixed.

The first actual carrier landing did not pass without incident, as would be hoped. It was discovered that despite the shortening of the fighter, it was still too tall to fit through the hangar door, and special clamps had to be fitted to the landing gear to squeeze it through the hangar.

The next day, it was found prior to takeoff, that when the water cooled jet blast deflectors were set at their normal setting of 60 degrees, they were too close to the engine nozzles. They were ordered to be set at 45 degrees, but the actuator could not hold them in that position. The crew then improvised makeshift braces out of steel pipe to hold the deflector in position. Unfortunately, the welders neglected to clear the metal fragments that resulted from their work, and these fragments pelted observers. Then to make matters worse, the pop-up detents would not retract when ordered, and the prototype sat in front of the shield for 8 seconds longer than the maximum safe time of 6 seconds. This then caused the shield's water pipes to explode, blowing apart the shield. Some observers believed the fighters fuel lines had ruptured and ran, fearing an explosion. Pugachev, who was piloting, was then ordered to throttle back his engines which resulted in the detents retracting, causing the fighter to jerk forward. Pugachev reacted quickly and stood on the brakes and shut off the engines. The fighter was towed to another position and Pugachev took off without using jet blast deflectors, or detents, climbed steeply, performed the Pugachev’s Cobra and flew away. From then on, a Kamov Ka-27PS search-and-rescue helicopter was flown close to the carrier in the event of an accident.

The Su-33 uses a ski-jump. However, when using a ski-jump, the Su-33 cannot launch at maximum takeoff weight:rofl:

For Me Mig-29K is best option for us , and for future our PAK-FA :guns:

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mr. punisher the whole point of your post seems to say something of su-33 facing lots of problems .....and lacking the ability to carry its full payload i.e, compared to its land based counterpart

yes i know everything you have posted above and please maki a point that though it will not be able to carry its full payload it will defenitely carry more than what mig-29k can do yes su-33 avionics is not as good as mig-29k but airframe wise it similar to a smaller su-30mk not mki as it lacks tvc but has canards and the avionics can be upgraded anyday and IRBIS E will be really superior to whatever mig-29k can cough up

The navalised Su-27K for Korablny' was developed for the Project 1143.5 55,000 tonne class aircraft carrier, of which four were to have been built. The Su-27K is the Russian equivalent to the US Navy F-14 series, but also important as it was the prototype for design features which migrated to a wide range of other Flanker variants and derivatives.

The Su-27K had folding wings and stabilators, strengthened undercarriage with twin nosewheels, upgraded hydraulics, a tailhook, enlarged flaperons, a modified ejection seat angle, folding outer wings and stabs, upgraded FBW, modified LERX (Leading Edge Root Extensions) with canards, enlarged leading edge slats and a deployable aerial refuelling probe. The refuelling probe modification included a pair of deployable floodlights in the nose, used to illuminate the tanker aircraft, here intended to be either an Il-78 Midas or another Su-27 buddy tanker carrying a centreline UPAZ hose-drogue pod. The probe permits a fuel transfer rate into the fighter of up to 4,000 lb/min. Another notable Su-27K feature which migrated to later Flanker variants was the right offset IR Search and Track housing, this improving the pilot's downward view over the aircraft's nose. Production Su-27Ks operated by the Russian Navy are often designated the Su-33. Perhaps the most important feature of the Su-27K/Su-33 are the enlarged LERX/canards which increase the available body lift of the aircraft, and the centre of pressure forward thus enhancing achievable pitch rates. The Su-27 series shares with the F-14 series a large body lift capacity resulting from the wide fuselage tunnel - as a result the aircraft's effective wing loading is much lower than that of aircraft with different configurations. This is reflected in superb high alpha handling and sustained turn rates. The enlarged LERX/canards migrated to a range of other Flanker variants, including the Su-35, Su-37 and production Su-30MKI.

Experience from initial Su-27K flight testing and trials indicated that major issues would arise with training pilots for carrier recoveries. Without the large range of aircraft types, and specialised carrier trainers operated by the US Navy, the Soviet AV-MF needed an aircraft which was identical in handling to the basic Su-27K but dual seated, without the forward visibility impediments of the existing tandem configuration Su-27UB.

Design of the dual navalised combat trainer derivative began in 1989, the aim being to produce an airframe suitable for a range of other carrier based roles such as reconnaissance, aerial refuelling, maritime strike and support jamming - niches in the US Navy now being filled by F/A-18E/F derivatives.

The new Su-27KUB (Korabl'niy Uchebno-Boyeviy - Shipboard Trainer-Combat) included a radically revised forward fuselage and a range of incremental aerodynamic changes. The latter are cited as enlargement of the canards, stabilisers, fins and rudders. The wing fold position was moved further outboard.

The new side-by-side cockpit involved a major resculpting of the forward fuselage, with crew access via a nosewheel well deployable ladder. The crew sit on upward firing ejection seats under jettisonable canopy panels. The circular cross section of the nose was retained, but the baseline NIIP N-001 multimode radar was to be replaced by a Phazotron Zhuk derivative. The OEPS/OLS-27 IRST housing was located on the centreline of the cockpit.

The prototype Su-27KUB first flew in April 1999, but no significant production orders have materialised due to the collapse of Russian carrier aviation funding post 1991. Production aircraft, designated as Su-33UB, would be built by KNAAPO at Komsomolsk Na Amure.

A demonstration Su-33UB aircraft has been flown at a Russian airshow, equipped with thrust vectoring Saturn Al-31FU engines. A TVC capability would be useful for ski jump launches, reduced approach and trap speeds, and improved turning performance, compromised to some extent by the heavier forward fuselage against baseline Flanker variants.
The PLA-N is reported to have taken an interest in the Su-27KUB, as it supplements the Su-33 which the PLA-N is now acquiring for its embryonic carrier fleet, being formed around the former Russian Project 1143.5 carrier Varyag.

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Badguy2000 I think you have forgot that India had never sent a satellite to moon but got success on the very first attempt. The same will be the case with our AC.
 
I have a deep impression that Indian always like find " short-cuts" to run,before they can walk.

Fox example:

Before they started LCA,they even had never succeed in RE any bird .

their manufacturing is so crappy,but they still think they can skip "manufacturing" and jump into "service-based post-manufacturing society".

Now,this time, they has never built any warship bigger than 6000 Tons, and they still can not built their DDG,FFG,subs indigeniously.but now they once again start to "run".

I do believe that one day the AC will enter into serive,but it will be delayed seriously,just like LCA.


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Thread reopened. More off topic, then infractions will follow.
 
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