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Made-in-Pakistan JF-17 fighter goes global, desi Tejas yet to take off
By Rajat Pandit, TNN | 21 Jul, 2015, 12.02PM IST
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NEW DELHI: At a time when Pakistan has already clinched the first export order for its JF-17 'Thunder' fighter built with China's help, India's home-grown light combat aircraft Tejas will take yet another year to become fully combat-ready.

What is even more worrying is that the critically-required Tejas Mark-II, with a more powerful engine, is likely to need a strong infusion of foreign collaboration if the first prototype has to take to the skies by 2018-19 as per already much-revised
deadlines. "Tejas Mark-II is still on the drawing board, with only the preliminary design review being completed till now. The critical design review is far off," said a source.


This has triggered a major worry since IAF is down to just 35 fighter squadrons when at least 44 are needed to handle a "collusive threat" from Pakistan and China. Moreover, only half
of the fighters in the 35 squadrons are operationally available at any given time due to obsolescence, poor serviceability and maintenance.
Even if the ongoing commercial negotiation to directly acquire 36 expensive twin-engine Rafale fighters - IAF is pushing for double that number -- is sealed in a month, it will take well over two years for the deliveries of the French jets to begin.

With older MiG-21s and MiG-27s being progressively retired, the single-engine Tejas is needed fast to make the fall in numbers. But it will get the final operational clearance (FOC) only by mid-2016 now, missing the revised December 2015
adline set for it. The FOC basically implies the jet is now capable of firing guns, rockets, laser-guided bombs and BVR (beyond visual range) missiles as well as undergo mid-air refuelling.


But the lightweight Tejas cannot fulfil the role of a medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) like Rafale or a "heavyweight" Sukhoi-30MKI. With a reach of just about 400-km, Tejas has just one-third the range and weapon-load capacity of a Rafale or a Sukhoi. So, Tejas cannot be used for deep bombing strikes, for example targets in China
The actual utility of Tejas' excruciatingly slow progress will be if it actually leads to a faster development of the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA), the proposed project for an indigenous fifth-generation fighter aircraft.

IAF, DRDO and Aeronautical Development Agency are now getting set to seek the Cabinet Committee on Security's approval for the initial design and development phase for AMCA. The plan is to conduct the first flight of the twin-engine AMCA, with advanced stealth, super-cruise capability, super-maneuverability and multi-sensor integration, by 2023-2024, as was earlier reported by TOI.

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Made-in-Pakistan JF-17 fighter goes global, desi Tejas yet to take off - The Economic Times
 
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Made-in-Pakistan JF-17 fighter goes global, desi Tejas yet to take off
By Rajat Pandit, TNN | 21 Jul, 2015, 12.02PM IST
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READ MORE ON » Rafale | IAF | DRDO | Cabinet Committee on Security



NEW DELHI: At a time when Pakistan has already clinched the first export order for its JF-17 'Thunder' fighter built with China's help, India's home-grown light combat aircraft Tejas will take yet another year to become fully combat-ready.

What is even more worrying is that the critically-required Tejas Mark-II, with a more powerful engine, is likely to need a strong infusion of foreign collaboration if the first prototype has to take to the skies by 2018-19 as per already much-revised ..

Read more at:
Made-in-Pakistan JF-17 fighter goes global, desi Tejas yet to take off - The Economic Times
The point of bringing in an entirely incomparable project (FC-1) into an article about the LCA is...........???


Indian media at its best.






+Assembled in Pakistan perhaps.
 
JF-17 is a superior product and vastly more successful than any other military jet project of South Asia. Tejas is a failure.

Pakistan's program management and planning have been superior to India's inferior, and rather backward approach.

Pakistan exploited China's superior industrial knowledge/base to its own benefit, and produced a very potent platform for its air force with having complete access to all the technology, source codes, and weapon-integration of the fighter jet.

In modern world, you rely on specialization in global market.

East Asians learned it early on, and sky-rocketed.

Arab World is learning it now..

Indians also need to learn that making a jet own their own rather than collaboration was a stupid mistake.

Turkey started with collaboration, then transfer of technology for F-16s, then becoming a partner in F-35 program...only after all of decades of learning and hands-on experience, we are planning to go towards our indigenous fighter jet (which, again, will involve collaboration with top foreign companies/countries as well).
 
Tejas is an embarrassment for us...... The worst part of it is, there seems to be no end for this embarrassment

But it is absolutely wrong to compare it with JF 17
so compare it with raptor sir ? that is why since 1983 its on operation table ?

An other Thread that is going to be open for Trolling...:hitwall:
its on indian media not by us our srime is just shear it
 
+Assembled in Pakistan perhaps.

Assembling a jet and having nearly 60% of rights of the project itself are two different things.

JF-17 is a Sino-Pak project, giving Pakistan unprecedented access and capability in aviation technology.

Hiding your own failures and backwardness of your country by mislabeling others' superior planning/management/success isn't going to earn your nation any respect.

Tejas remain an emphatic failure and embarrassment even for a backward country like India.
 
or failures of tejas never ends and indian media show mirrors ?
How does one define "failure"? This first of its kind project is on the brink of induction (40 are already under production), has logged thousands of hours of test flights to date without a single major incident (collapsed LG, crash, weapons ejection failure, flame out etc etc), has successfully spawned naval variants that have now been tested from shore-based ramps (if anyone thinks this is easy show me how many other fighters have been successfully navalised) and all this from a nation whose industrial base in the 90s was next to nil.


And the Indian media is not interested in "showing mirrors", they are greedy for TRPs and comparing something, anything, to Pakistan is guaranteed "clickbait". The very fact one cannot compare the FC-1 project to the LCA project in terms of the respective industrial bases (and R&D budgets) of India and China, in terms of scope of the projects and the relative technology fitted to both a/c is clearly an irrelevant detail for these clowns.

It's funny how this business of "showing mirrors" doesn't ever seem to apply the other way around. Why does it not get asked in Pakistan's media why their "indigenous" (a joke of a claim but let's leave that to one side) doesn't have a two seat version (ADA developed this long back)? Why it doesn't have an integrated HMDS (standard on LCA)? Why doesn't it have an IFR probe (addressed in the crudest of forms on late-production JFT block IIs but this is going to be a standard feature on even the very first LCA)? Why doesn't it have an OBOGS that would allow the JF-17 to fly at extreme high altitude and remain on station for longer periods of time(standard on the LCA)? Why doesn't it make use of more composite materials? Why was it inducted before FOC was attained? Why is it only being produced at a rate of around 8/year? etc etc
 
How does one define "failure"? The first of tis kind project is on the brink of induction (40 are already under production), has logged thousands of hours of test flights to date without a single major incident (collapsed LG, crash, weapons ejection failure, flame out etc etc), has successfully spawned naval variants that have now been tested from shore-based ramps (if anyone thinks this is easy show me how many other fighters have been successfully navalised) and all this from a nation whose industrial base in the 90s was next to nil.


And the Indian media is not interested in "showing mirrors", they are greedy for TRPs and comparing something, anything, to Pakistan is guaranteed "clickbait". The very fact one cannot compare the FC-1 project to the LCA project in terms of the respective industrial bases (and R&D budgets) of India and China, in terms of scope of the projects and the relative technology fitted to both a/c is clearly an irrelevant detail for these clowns.

It's funny how this business of "showing mirrors" doesn't ever seem to apply the other way around. Why does it not get asked in Pakistan's media why their "indigenous" (a joke of a claim but let's leave that to one side) doesn't have a two seat version (ADA developed this long back)? Why it doesn't have an integrated HMDS (standard on LCA)? Why doesn't it have an IFR probe (addressed in the crudest of forms on late-production JFT block IIs but this is going to be a standard feature on even the very first LCA)? Why doesn't it have an OBOGS that would allow the JF-17 to fly at extreme high altitude and remain on station for longer periods of time(standard on the LCA)? Why doesn't it make use of more composite materials? Why was it inducted before FOC was attained? Why is it only being produced at a rate of around 8/year? etc etc
ask indian meda and go explain them rather then chest thumping here you can mail :rofl: abut indigenous yes its joke man :p: new engines will come from USA now not russia for indigenous tejas :enjoy:
 
Assembling a jet and having nearly 60% of rights of the project itself are two different things.

JF-17 is a Sino-Pak project, giving Pakistan unprecedented access and capability in aviation technology.

Hiding your own failures and backwardness of your country by mislabeling others' superior planning/management/success isn't going to earn your nation any respect.

Tejas remain an emphatic failure and embarrassment even for a backward country like India.
India is a backwards country for developing the Quadruplex FBW, composite material production techniques, fire control system algorithms, building the LG testing rigs, conducting the lightening tests, RCS measurement, test flying and certifying a totally unproven and first of its kind aircraft etc etc ALL IN INDIA? Cool story my friend.

What does that make Pakistan then, when it has outsourced all of the above and much more to China?
 
How does one define "failure"? This first of its kind project is on the brink of induction (40 are already under production), has logged thousands of hours of test flights to date without a single major incident (collapsed LG, crash, weapons ejection failure, flame out etc etc), has successfully spawned naval variants that have now been tested from shore-based ramps (if anyone thinks this is easy show me how many other fighters have been successfully navalised) and all this from a nation whose industrial base in the 90s was next to nil.


And the Indian media is not interested in "showing mirrors", they are greedy for TRPs and comparing something, anything, to Pakistan is guaranteed "clickbait". The very fact one cannot compare the FC-1 project to the LCA project in terms of the respective industrial bases (and R&D budgets) of India and China, in terms of scope of the projects and the relative technology fitted to both a/c is clearly an irrelevant detail for these clowns.

It's funny how this business of "showing mirrors" doesn't ever seem to apply the other way around. Why does it not get asked in Pakistan's media why their "indigenous" (a joke of a claim but let's leave that to one side) doesn't have a two seat version (ADA developed this long back)? Why it doesn't have an integrated HMDS (standard on LCA)? Why doesn't it have an IFR probe (addressed in the crudest of forms on late-production JFT block IIs but this is going to be a standard feature on even the very first LCA)? Why doesn't it have an OBOGS that would allow the JF-17 to fly at extreme high altitude and remain on station for longer periods of time(standard on the LCA)? Why doesn't it make use of more composite materials? Why was it inducted before FOC was attained? Why is it only being produced at a rate of around 8/year? etc etc
There are two ways to look at LCA / Tejas.

1) According to Indians it is not a failure because they have found enough support from USA in regards to Engines. Israel and Dassault upgraded the HAL facilities and provided new wing designs and other technical assistance in avionics. This made the Aircraft fly and hence is awaiting its final FOC. However the IAF does not still likes it but is interested in the next upgrade.

2) This is a failure because the money that has been spent on the various projects that were to be part of Tejas have been replaced by western ones.
 

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