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Interesting article.

Mind set: Dilemma of a liberal Hindu - The Times of India

I was born a Hindu, in a normal middle-class home. I went to an English-medium school where I got a modern education.

Both my grandfathers belonged to the Arya Samaj, a reformist sect of Hinduism. My father, however, took a different path. While studying to be an engineer, he was drawn to a kindly guru who inspired him with the possibility of direct union with God through meditation. The guru was a Radhasoami saint, who quoted vigorously from Kabir, Nanak, Mirabai, Bulle Shah and others from the bhakti and sufi traditions.

Growing up Hindu was a chaotically tolerant experience. My grandmother visited the Sikh gurudwara on Mondays and Wednesdays and a Hindu temple on Tuesdays and Thursdays; she saved Saturdays and Sundays for discourses by holy men, including Muslim peers, who were forever visiting our town. In between, she made time for Arya Samaj ceremonies when someone died or was born. Her dressing room was laden with the images of her gods, especially Ram and Krishna and she used to say in the same breath that there are millions of gods but only one God. My grandfather would laugh at her ways, but my pragmatic uncle thought that she had smartly taken out plenty of insurance so that someone up there would eventually listen.

I grew up in this atmosphere with a liberal attitude - that is a mixture of scepticism and sympathy for my tradition. Why then do I feel uneasy about being a liberal Hindu? I feel besieged from both ends - from the Hindu nationalists and the secularists. Something seems to have gone wrong. Hindu nationalists have appropriated my past and made it into a political statement of Hindutva. Secularists have contempt for all forms of belief and they find it odd that I should cling to my Hindu past. Young, successful Indians, at the helm of our private and public enterprises, have no time or use for the classics of our ancient tradition.

A few years ago, I told my wife that I wanted to read the Mahabharata in its entirety. I explained that I had read the Western epics but not the Indian ones. She gave me a sceptical look, and said, "It's a little late in the day to be having a mid-life crisis, isn't it?" To my chagrin, I became the subject of animated discussion at a dinner party soon after.

"So, what is this I hear about wanting to go away to read old books", asked my hostess, "aren't there any new ones?" She gave my wife a sympathetic look.

"Tell us, what you plan to read?" asked a retired civil servant who had once been a favourite of Indira Gandhi. He spoke casually as though he was referring to the features of a new Nokia phone. I admitted that I had been thinking of the Mahabharata. "Good lord, man!" he exclaimed. "You haven't turned saffron, have you?"

I think his remark was made in jest, but it upset me. I found it disturbing that I had to fear the intolerance of my "secular" friends, who seemed to think that reading an epic was a political act. I was reminded of a casual remark by a Westernized woman in Chennai who said that she had always visited a Shiva temple near her home, but lately she had begun to hide this from her fiercely secular friends, who she feared might paint her in saffron.

With the rise in religious fundamentalism around the world, it is increasingly difficult to talk about one's deepest beliefs. Liberal Hindus are reluctant to admit to being Hindu for fear they will be linked to the RSS. Liberal Christians and liberal Muslims abroad have had the same experience. Part of the reason that the sensible idea of secularism is having so much difficulty finding a home in India is that the most vocal and intellectual advocates of secularism were once Marxists. Not only do they not believe in God, they actually hate God. As rationalists they can only see the dark side of religion - intolerance, murderous wars and nationalism and cannot empathize with the everyday life of the common Indian for whom religion gives meaning to every moment. Secularists speak a language alien to the vast majority, so they are only able to condemn communal violence but not to stop it, as Mahatma Gandhi could, in East Bengal in 1947.

Part of the problem stems from ignorance. Our children do not grow up reading our ancient classics, certainly not with a critical mind as youth in the West read their works of literature and philosophy in school and college. In India, some get to know about epics from their grandmothers; others read the stories in Amar Chitra Katha comics or watch them in television serials.

If Italian children can read Dante's Divine Comedy in school, English children can read Milton and Greek children can read the Illiad, why should "secularist" Indians be ambivalent about the Mahabharata? It is true that the Mahabharata has lots of gods and in particular that elusive divinity, Krishna, who is up to all kinds of devious activities. But so are Dante, Milton and Homer filled with God or gods?

I suspect Mahatma Gandhi would have understood my dilemma about teaching the Mahabharata in our schools. He instinctively grasped the place of the epic in an Indian life and he would have approved of what V S Sukthankar wrote: "The Mahabharata is the content of our collective unconscious .... We must therefore grasp this great book with both hands and face it squarely. Then we shall recognize that it is our past which has prolonged itself into the present. We are it." The epic has given me great enjoyment in the past six years and I have become a Mahabharata addict. I feel sad that so many boys and girls in India are growing up rootless, and they will never have access to these forbidden fruits of pleasure.

As we think about sowing the seeds of secularism in India, we cannot just divide Indians between communalists and secularists. That would be too easy. The average Indian is decent and is caught in the middle. To achieve a secular society, believers must tolerate each other's beliefs as well as the atheism of non-believers. Hindu nationalists must resist hijacking our religious past and turning it into votes. Secularists must learn to respect the needs of ordinary Indians for a transcendental life beyond reason. Only then will secularism find a comfortable home in India.


(The author examines modern moral dilemmas using the template of the Mahabharata in his new book, The Difficulty of Being Good: On the Subtle Art of Dharma)

Interesting narrative, a position faced by most of us I think. I do not understand why ordinary people themselves, can't appreciate the literary and cultural gems of our nation, and that includes Pakistan. (trolls on either side please keep out.) The narratives of most Indian epics are located in places both in India and Pakistan, yet our western neighbours who vehmently try to own up people like Brahmagupta (and you have got your history wrong...brahmagupta was born long after the Indus civilization, but that is not my point.), do you read these epics, made by your ancestors and about your ancestors. Forget pakistan, not even in India is there much literary interest. I mean, come on if romans despite being Christians can appreciate the work of their non-christian ancestors, and are proud of their supposedly 'pagan' history....why cant we invest more resources and time into such pursuits ?
 
What bullshit, Mahabharat has nothing to do with religion, it's a story of two feuding family. I read Mahabharat along with Ramayan, iliad odyssey arabian nights etc when I was young.

Most of the Hindu nationalist I met online have whatsoever no knowledge of our past, mostly they are an offshoot of 20th century revivalist movement. On the contrary I have seen many staunch agnostics who have in depth knowledge our history and heritage.
 
I disagree with the OP article. Even as a muslim i have read the mahabharath.
Most hindus including myself have never read it. It is a personal choice how you spend your time, what you read etc.
In any case I have never felt sqeezed by RSS and Marxists, they both represent different ends, but I have never been told not to be 'hindu' by any of my hindu friends.

Perhaps this above rant belongs to a time when Marxists ruled the universities, but not any more. I am more scared of RSS types to be honest whose sense of history is quite weird.
 
Most atheists I know are well read and are well versed with the mythology of most of the major religions.
 
Forgive me , he is not a hindu nationalist. and neither am I.

@Riaz Mohammed

Ah yes, what you have read is at best a convenient redaction of the test. That being said it is an important thing that the education department has kept the epic in the syllabus... But i think that it has not got its true place, of debate and discussion, critical analysis and literary evaluation, movies, documentaries, cultural thought or creative rendition. Even today most narratives are religious in nature, though the T.V series aired was good.

I believe it to be a most accurate canvas of human nature, near it the Ramayan seems black and white, Mahabharatha is like HD-TV...The rainbow of characters is immense; the plots and the subplots mesh and twine interstingly, putting the players into interesting situations. It is a story of the human condition, of the human mind.

I wished people of the subcontinent had a relook at it , not merely as a religious text, or as syllabi requirements. It can provide material for art, dance, poetry,opera, and other creative expression. It is the soul of Bharath.

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@ people here...i am a self confessed non-believer..
 
Forgive me , he is not a hindu nationalist. and neither am I.

@Riaz Mohammed

Ah yes, what you have read is at best a convenient redaction of the test. That being said it is an important thing that the education department has kept the epic in the syllabus... But i think that it has not got its true place, of debate and discussion, critical analysis and literary evaluation, movies, documentaries, cultural thought or creative rendition. Even today most narratives are religious in nature, though the T.V series aired was good.

I believe it to be a most accurate canvas of human nature, near it the Ramayan seems black and white, Mahabharatha is like HD-TV...The rainbow of characters is immense; the plots and the subplots mesh and twine interstingly, putting the players into interesting situations. It is a story of the human condition, of the human mind.

I wished people of the subcontinent had a relook at it , not merely as a religious text, or as syllabi requirements. It can provide material for art, dance, poetry,opera, and other creative expression. It is the soul of Bharath.

---------- Post added at 09:54 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:52 PM ----------

@ people here...i am a self confessed non-believer..

Look, it is not govts job to promote a specific epic. There are many epics written south Indian language which need equal attention. Having said that, people are free to chose how they want their art/drama/poetry to be. If mahabharat has appeal, it will be successful. Else something else will replace it.
 
What bullshit, Mahabharat has nothing to do with religion, it's a story of two feuding family. I read Mahabharat along with Ramayan, iliad odyssey arabian nights etc when I was young.

Most of the Hindu nationalist I met online have whatsoever no knowledge of our past, mostly they are an offshoot of 20th century revivalist movement. On the contrary I have seen many staunch agnostics who have in depth knowledge our history and heritage.

True that. Its "our" pseudo intellectuals the likes of Ms. Arundathi Roy, who have no understanding of the "Hindu Religion" who go on about "fundamentalism" and "turning saffron". OTOH, its those with little or no understanding of Hinduism (read VHP, RSS, BD) who revert to fundamentalism and get offended at the smallest of the 'slights'. Call it the "Hindu neoconservatism". Both ends, the former turning a blind eye, the latter already blind - excellent examples of ignorant basterds.

Mahabharatha and Ramayana are epic poems, in a similar category as the Illiad and Odyssey - stories of Good triumphing over Evil. These are stories of the great land of India, depicting the then culture and traditions, some of which are still true and hold relevance even today. Nothing to do with religion.
 
True that. Its "our" pseudo intellectuals the likes of Ms. Arundathi Roy, who have no understanding of the "Hindu Religion" who go on about "fundamentalism" and "turning saffron". OTOH, its those with little or no understanding of Hinduism (read VHP, RSS, BD) who revert to fundamentalism and get offended at the smallest of the 'slights'. Call it the "Hindu neoconservatism". Both ends, the former turning a blind eye, the latter already blind - excellent examples of ignorant basterds.

Mahabharatha and Ramayana are epic poems, in a similar category as the Illiad and Odyssey - stories of Good triumphing over Evil. These are stories of the great land of India, depicting the then culture and traditions, some of which are still true and hold relevance even today. Nothing to do with religion.
When did Arundhati Roy talked against hinduism? Most govts who want to change history/bring hindu practice into state curriculum are openly linked to saffron brigade. They are not doing so for the love of poetry/drama/culture.
 
First Mahabarath is written in Kalyug. and its jst a story.
but read bhagvada gita and then cme back.. maybe u will find urself little englightened
 
What bullshit, Mahabharat has nothing to do with religion, it's a story of two feuding family. I read Mahabharat along with Ramayan, iliad odyssey arabian nights etc when I was young.

Most of the Hindu nationalist I met online have whatsoever no knowledge of our past, mostly they are an offshoot of 20th century revivalist movement. On the contrary I have seen many staunch agnostics who have in depth knowledge our history and heritage.

and u r wrong,i am hindu right liberal and i have red more than one version of all the epics and i know also the culture of the places where the epics happened.
 
First Mahabarath is written in Kalyug. and its jst a story.
but read bhagvada gita and then cme back.. maybe u will find urself little englightened

I know my mahabharatha and i know my bhagvad gita. i am doing a course in Hindu and Buddhist studies, thank you. and i am still a non-believer.

I feel Indian literary classics have immense cultural and literary value. i also think that their potential has been underused. I want people of all faiths and denominations, including atheists, non-believers to have pride in their cultural inheritance. and i am strong opponent of people who in the garb of secularism, seek to strangle the cultural soul of the country. This is partly because in the east, religious and cultural themes are strongly interconnected, sensitivity is needed.

You will find my home filled with Buddhas, Ganeshas, Krishna paintings(i am a big admirer) and the like.Due to my interest in history, religion, which is largely anthropological, I learnt Sanskrit.It in turn opened this window to a vast unknown arena. I see great value in preserving my cultural heritage and wish that more people appreciate it.
 
When did Arundhati Roy talked against hinduism? Most govts who want to change history/bring hindu practice into state curriculum are openly linked to saffron brigade. They are not doing so for the love of poetry/drama/culture.

She did- she called India a Hindu corporate state. Roy has got a finger in every Bu**hole.
 
and u r wrong,i am hindu right liberal and i have red more than one version of all the epics and i know also the culture of the places where the epics happened.

There are offcourse exceptions but tell me what these shiv sena, ram sena and thousands of other senas who creates brouhaha at every drop of hat got anything to do with Hinduism or our ancient practices.
 

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