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Why raise an army or spend money on air force.If you have some nuclear tipped missiles nobody can win a war with you.

Damn these political leaders of all countries who do all this to make profits on defence deal.

There I have given you a start for the reply.:cool:
First NK has nothing to lose, plus behind the curtains China is testing US political and military strength in the region. What next US will deploy and how much resource US will mobilize to neutralize the tension. Plus, China wants keep busy US,so take advantage of fragile economic condition of US and through some favorable bargaining chip on US table.
Its not twenty round NK shoot toward SK, it actually China shoot 20 rounds toward US.
 
What a simple solution you propose. Amazing.

So tomorrow if any nuclear powered state threatens you, just submit yourself to it?
For a simple mind, ya think?

All governments have what is called 'continuity of government' protocols...

Continuity of government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Continuity of government (COG) is the principle of establishing defined procedures that allow a government to continue its essential operations in case of nuclear war or other catastrophic event.
The South Korean government is no different and they probably have it more refined and rehearsed more often than the rest given the seemingly perpetual state of hostility between the two Koreas. So all these speculations about defeating SKR by 'nuking' Seoul are just nonsense. For any nuclear weapons state, a single nuclear strike is practically useless unless there is certainty that the retaliatory strikes will be non-nuclear. North Korea cannot overwhelm the South with nuclear strikes without incurring even greater devastation. The issue here is the loss of human life for both sides and convenient rhetorical ammunition against SKR for reacting. The wish here is to rhetorically beat SKR into submission to make the South Koreans suffer NKR's potshots.
 
First NK has nothing to lose, plus behind the curtains China is testing US political and military strength in the region. What next US will deploy and how much resource US will mobilize to neutralize the tension. Plus, China wants keep busy US,so take advantage of fragile economic condition of US and through some favorable bargaining chip on US table.
Its not twenty round NK shoot toward SK, it actually China shoot 20 rounds toward US.
Then what is the point of existence for any state if the political leadership feel they have nothing worth defending? This is a really bad argument. All peoples of all nation-states feels they have something about their country that MUST be worth living and dying for. If the North Korean political leadership feel their half of Korea is not worth defending they would have commit national suicide a long time ago by attacking South Korea the first chance they have a functional nuclear weapon.
 
Then what is the point of existence for any state if the political leadership feel they have nothing worth defending? This is a really bad argument. All peoples of all nation-states feels they have something about their country that MUST be worth living and dying for. If the North Korean political leadership feel their half of Korea is not worth defending they would have commit national suicide a long time ago by attacking South Korea the first chance they have a functional nuclear weapon.
Politically correct, but the answer of this statement is regime change. Why its so hard ?. If the leadership hijack the whole nation,then who will emerge as Robinhood ?...waiting for the miracle?.
 
Obama pledges U.S. to defend South Korea

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama on Tuesday pledged the United States would defend South Korea after what the White House branded a provocative, outrageous attack by North Korea on its neighbor. Its options limited, the U.S. sought a diplomatic rather a military response to one of those most ominous clashes between the Koreas in decades.

"South Korea is our ally. It has been since the Korean war," Obama said in his first comments about the North Korean shelling of a South Korean island. "And we strongly affirm our commitment to defend South Korea as part of that alliance."

Working to head off any escalation, the U.S. did not reposition any of its 29,000 troops in the South or make other military moves after North Korea fired salvos of shells into the island, setting off an artillery duel between the two sides.

The president, speaking to ABC News, would not speculate when asked about military options. He was expected to telephone South Korean President Lee Myung-bak late Tuesday night. He met earlier with his top national security advisers to discuss next steps.

Washington has relatively few options when dealing with Pyongyang. Military action is particularly unappealing, since the unpredictable North possesses crude nuclear weapons as well as a huge standing army. North Korea exists largely outside the system of international financial and diplomatic institutions that the U.S. has used as leverage in dealing with other hostile countries, including Iran.

North Korea has also resisted pressure from its major ally, China, which appears to be nervous about the signs of instability in its neighbor.

"We strongly condemn the attack and we are rallying the international community to put pressure on North Korea," Obama said in the ABC interview, specifically citing the need for China's help. Obama said every nation in the region must know "this is a serious and ongoing threat."

An administration official said Tuesday evening that U.S. officials in Washington and in Beijing were appealing strongly to China to condemn the attack by arguing that it was an act that threatened the stability of the entire region, not just the Korean peninsula. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates phoned South Korea's defense minister to express sympathy for the deaths of two of the South's marines in the artillery shelling of a small South Korean island and to express appreciation "for the restraint shown to date" by the South's government, a Pentagon spokesman said.

Obama called North Korea's action "just one more provocative incident" and said he would consult with Lee on an appropriate response.

In his phone call to South Korea's defense minister, Gates said the U.S. viewed recent attacks as a violation of the armistice agreement that ended the Korea War in 1953, and he reiterated the U.S. commitment to South Korea's defense, said Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell.

Obama was awakened at 4 a.m. Tuesday with the news. He went ahead with an Indiana trip focused on the economy before returning to the White House after dark.

State Department spokesman Mark Toner said the U.S. would take a "deliberate approach" in response to what he also called provocative North Korean behavior. At the same time, other administration officials, speaking on condition of anonymity to describe the emerging strategy, said the White House was determined to end a diplomatic cycle that officials said rewards North Korean brinksmanship.

In the past, the U.S. and other nations have sweetened offers to North Korea as it has developed new missiles and prototype nuclear weapons. North Korea is now demanding new one-on-one talks with the United States, which rejects that model in favor of group diplomacy that includes North Korea's protector, China.

"We're not going to respond willy-nilly," Toner said. "We believe that it's important that we keep a unified and measured approach going forward."

Both Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill accused North Korea of starting the skirmish.

The violence comes as the North prepares for a dynastic change in leadership and faces a winter of food and electricity shortages. It is the latest of a series of confrontations that have aggravated tensions on the divided peninsula.

The incident also follows the North's decision last week to give visiting Western scientists a tour of a secret uranium enrichment facility, which may signal an expansion of the North's nuclear weapons program. Six weeks ago, North Korean leader Kim Jong Il anointed his youngest son, Kim Jong Un, as his heir apparent.

The administration official said the U.S. did not interpret North Korea's aggression as a desire to go to war, but as yet another effort to extract concessions from the international community.

Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said no new equipment or personnel have been relocated to South Korea, while Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz seemed to shrug off the latest incident as something that Seoul can handle on its own.

"The North Koreas have undertaken over time a number of provocations that have manifested themselves in different ways," Schwartz said.

The artillery exchange was only the latest serious incident between the two nations. In March, a South Korean naval ship, the Cheonan, exploded and sank in the Yellow Sea, killing 46 sailors. South Korea accused the North of torpedoing the vessel; the North denied the allegation.

In August, the South Korean military reported that the North had fired 110 artillery rounds into the Yellow Sea near the disputed sea border but said the shells fell harmlessly into North Korean waters.

South Korean officials said Tuesday's clash came after Pyongyang warned the South to halt military drills near the small South Korean island of Yeonpyeong.

When Seoul refused and began firing artillery into the water near the disputed sea border, the North bombarded Yeonpyeong, which houses South Korean military installations and a small civilian population.

Recent joint U.S.-Korean naval exercises and strenuous denunciations of the North may only have provoked the regime in Pyongyang. Some experts say the secretive regime may be trying to promote Kim Jong Un as a worthy successor who, like his father, is capable of standing up to the U.S.

"I think it may be all wrapped in this succession planning, in the way the North is looking at it," said Robert RisCassi, a retired Army general who commanded U.S. forces in Korea from 1990-93.

The U.S.-South Korea exercises also angered China. Beijing is regarded as the key to any long-term diplomatic bargain to end North Korea's nuclear program and reduce tensions on the peninsula.

But U.S. officials say the North's motives and internal politics are opaque and sometimes appear inconsistent.

"I don't know the answer to any question about North Korea that begins with the word 'why,'" Gates told reporters Monday.


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An ally of an ally is an "ally".. and ally in need is alley-indeed.

Will Pakistan be helping South Korea, then?
 
They don't need Pakistan, they have enough support form US and West. Hope India will come to save the old socialist friends in the name of Marxism...
 
They don't need Pakistan, they have enough support form US and West. Hope India will come to save the old socialist friends in the name of Marxism...

In the name socialism or marxism we have never came to rescue anybody as you have wrongly stated.
 
US aircraft carrier heads for Korean waters


INCHEON: A US aircraft carrier headed toward the Korean peninsula on Wednesday, a day after North Korea launched dozens of artillery shells on a South Korean island.

The nuclear-powered USS George Washington, which carries 75 warplanes and has a crew of over 6,000, left a naval base south of Tokyo on Wednesday morning and would join exercises with South Korea from Sunday to the following Wednesday, US officials in Seoul said.

"This exercise is defensive in nature," US Forces Korea said in a statement. "While planned well before yesterday's unprovoked artillery attack, it demonstrates the strength of the ROK (South Korea)-US alliance and our commitment to regional stability through deterrence."

China came under heavy pressure to rein in North Korea after its reclusive ally fired dozens of artillery shells at the South Korean island, killing two South Korean soldiers and setting houses ablaze in the heaviest attack on its neighbour since the Korean War ended in 1953.

US President Barack Obama, woken up in the early hours to be told of the artillery strike, said he was outraged but declined to speculate on possible US military action.

However, in a telephone call with South Korean President Lee Myung-bak, Obama pressed the North to stop its provocative actions.

The US-led UN Command said it had asked North Korea for talks to try to reduce tension on the divided peninsula.

"We're in a semi state of war," South Korean coastguard Kim Dong-jin told Reuters in the port city of Incheon where many residents of Yeonpyeong island fled in panic as the bombardment triggered a fire storm.

The bombardment nagged at global markets, already unsettled by worries over Ireland's debt problem and looking to invest in less risky markets.

Buying opportunities

But South Korea's markets, after sharp falls, later started to rebound.

"If you look back at the last five years when we've had scares, they were all seen as buying opportunities. The rule among hedge funds and long-only funds is that you let the market sell off and watch for your entry point to get involved," Todd Martin, Asia equity strategist with Societe Generale in Hong Kong, said.

Despite the rhetoric, regional powers made clear they were looking for a diplomatic way to calm things down.

South Korea, its armed forces technically superior though about half the size of the North's one-million-plus army, warned of "massive retaliation" if its neighbour attacked again.

But it was careful to avoid any immediate threat of retaliation which might spark an escalation of fighting across the Cold War's last frontier.

"My house was burnt to the ground," said Cho Soon-ae, 47, who was among 170 or so evacuated from the island of Yeonpyeong on Thursday.

"We've lost everything. I don't even have extra underwear," she said weeping, holding on to her sixth-grade daughter, as she landed at the port of Incheon.

South Korea was conducting military drills in the area at the time but said it had not been firing at the North. It later said it would resume those drills once the situation stabilised.

Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan called on China, the impoverished North's only powerful ally, to help rein in the hermit state.

China has long propped up the Pyongyang leadership, worried that a collapse of the North could bring instability to its own borders and also wary of a unified Korea that would be dominated by the United States, the key ally of the South.

In a clear prod to Beijing during a visit to the Chinese capital, U.S. North Korea envoy Stephen Bosworth said: "We call on all members of the international community to condemn the DPRK's (North Korea's) acts and to make clear that they expect the DPRK to cease all provocations and implement its denuclearisation commitments."

On Tuesday, Obama said he would urge China to tell Pyongyang "there are a set of international rules they must abide by".

Beijing said it had agreed with the United States to try to restart talks among regional powers over North Korea's nuclear weapons programme.

A number of analysts suspect that Tuesday's attack may have been an attempt by North Korean leader Kim jong-il to raise his bargaining position ahead of disarmament talks which he has used in the past to win concessions and aid from the outside world, in particular the United States.

"It's Mr Kim's old game to get some attention and some economic goodies," said Lin Chong-pin, strategic studies professor at Tamkang University in Taipei.

Several analysts believe the attacks may also have been driven by domestic politics, with the ailing Kim desperate to give a lift to his youngest son, named as heir apparent to the family dynasty in September but who has little clear support in the military.


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gambit, start petitioning your government and exercising your "democratic rights" for them to attack north korea! if the government ignores you it means you must live in a brutal police dictatorship (as Americans actually do).

they're so weak, you can kill them with the flick of a finger so why is south korea taking their s*? if south korea is taking it why is the allmighty US not racing to the rescue?

there can only be 3 possibilities:

1.) US sees no gain, and far too much cost to do anything.
2.) South korea is **** scared of losing its economic progress
3.) North korea didn't actually attack, it was South Korea's propaganda trick to forcefully devalue its currency

so the end result is, both are going to sit around, make some symbolic gestures, and in the end not move.
 
1126: North Korea's military says: "The South Korean enemy, despite our repeated warnings, committed reckless military provocations of firing artillery shells into our maritime territory near Yeonpyeong island... [Pyongyang] will continue to make merciless military attacks with no hesitation if the South Korean enemy dares to invade our sea territory by 0.001mm."
1119: South Korea says it conducted test firing before the exchange at the island - but says it fired west not north, Reuters reports.

While nobody's excusing the NK attack on civilians, it has to be said that SK also exercised poor judgement. Why can't they hold their military drills further south so there is no chance of conflict?

It's stupid to play ball right outside the house where the crazy lady lives. Play down the street...
 
An ally of an ally is an "ally".. and ally in need is alley-indeed.

Will Pakistan be helping South Korea, then?

South korea??
Right an ally of an ally is an ally.
So like North Korea-China-Pakistan
or
South Korea-US-Pakistan

Its quite a dubious situation for pakistan for helping any one.
They cant even make a statement of support or anger against any of them....Quite Mired and helpless.
 
While nobody's excusing the NK attack on civilians, it has to be said that SK also exercised poor judgement. Why can't they hold their military drills further south so there is no chance of conflict?

It's stupid to play ball right outside the house where the crazy lady lives. Play down the street...
Of course...It is the victim's fault. Remember this the next you start crying about how muslims are discriminated against or badly portrayed in the media.
 

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