Pakistan carries out airstrikes along AfPak border

[Sayfullah]

Dear, civilian killing is always disapproved, but it should not stop us from waging war against our enemies.

You sound very much like an adolescent who just found deen.

Look. IEA supports TTP. TTP kills innocents. TTP also kills Pakistani soldiers. What is Pakistan supposed to do? Let them kill us?

A lot more nuance is needed but all you can manage is telling others about your interpretation of Quran in a very narrow sense. TTP are fitnah & dealing with them has really taxed us over the years. TTP operatives use their families as human shields & kill our civilians indiscriminately. So in order to respect Quranic injuctions as you see them, we ought to just let them kill us? Wow, what a discovery....

I hope you know what fitnah means & that fitnah is worse than murder according to Quran. Those who spread fitnah must be dealt with. I can give you multiple examples from Islamic history of how fitnah was handled. In just the last century (late 40s, early 50s), a caravan of Pakistani hajis was looted by the Arab Bedouin. Guess what King AbdulAziz did to them and their families?

We do not live in an era of sword warfare when you had to be in physical contact with the enemy. In technological warfare, there are civilian casualties, particularly when used as human shields. You just have to live with this fact. Any deaths that occur are on the people who spread fitnah, not those who act to stop them.

Many internet scholars nowadays
These people don’t know how the salaf dealt with khawarij. There’s many examples of how khawarij were dealt with for centuries now by Muslims all over the world and how the best of the best Muslims, the first 3 generations dealt with khawarij plague. Also the people here applying Quranic verses and Hadith out of context.
Collateral damage should be avoided at all costs and innocents mistakenly killed their family’s should be compensated but, khawarij should be severely dealt with, as they are dogs of hell and Muslims are told to fight them.

Don't comment on my deen. And I don't care how I sound.

TTP was created due to us supporting US war on terror. The cost of that war was humongous for Pakistan. We are where we are due to that war. There were no winners of that war, except the US. Pakistan has lost decades of growth and maturity due to it. The real root cause of that fitna would be USA. The 2nd fitna would be those who unnecessarily assisted USA in this genocide. NATOs crimes on Afghan soil are well documented. Australian soldiers killing for "sport". We were supplying food & resources to NATO. If NATO & US was doing such a great job. Why would Pakistan support their withdrawal from Afghanistan? We could have simply asked them to also bomb TTP personnel? When they asked Pakistan to do more. Why we didn't do more? We should have done more because it was our interest isn't it? Answer is simple. Our generals couldn't hold up against US pressure back then. They are bending against US pressure again. Looser is the region, not Americans. They didn't loose much, we have lost completely under the watch of our most scared, the most patriotic army. They successfully destroyed economy of the only nuclear powered Muslim state in the world. The probability of having an Islamic currency to break dollar's global hegemony was successfully destroyed. We on the other hand, have US sympathisers who are happy to work against national interest as long as they get paid some dollars.

There are other ways to diminish remnants of TTP. Otherwise we maybe looking onto another conflict. Only time can tell.​

15 Characteristics of the Khawarij - What Did the Kharijites Believe?

Who are Khawarij? 15 characteristics of the Khawarij mentioned in hadith, as they possess no true knowledge nor do they strive to attain it.

www.aljumuah.com

See if ttp fits the above. If it does than it’s a must for Muslims to fight ttp khawarij until they are totally eliminated.

Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “There will be division and sectarianism in my nation, and a people will come with beautiful words and evil deeds. They will recite the Quran, but it will not pass beyond their throats. They will leave the religion as an arrow leaves its target, and they will not return to it as the arrow does not return to its bow. They are the worst of the creation. Blessed are those who fight them and are killed by them. They call to the Book of Allah, but they have nothing to do with it. Whoever fights them is better to Allah than them.”

Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4765,

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

Ibn Kathir said, “If the Khawarij ever gained power, they would corrupt the entire land, Iraq and Syria. They would not leave alone a boy or a girl or a man or a woman, for in their view the people have become so corrupt that they cannot be reformed but by mass killing.”

Source: al-Bidāyah wal-Nihāyah 10/584

 

[White privilege]

Operation name is classified (can't reveal), was one of the largest combined Army, Airforce, Support Force. Intel/Intel Paramilitaries Operations.

Including on Air Force side, AWAC, Drones, Fighter Jets (F16, Thunder), JDAM's REK.
Drones also participating in Strike. SSW also participated.

Support Force cyber ......nuff said. SAT, and same from bros.

Army SSG, LCB, choppers, artillery, new stand off PGM's.

Many wheels moving, the conductors were conducted symphony, showed work between Army/Airforce has been proven in battle, battlefield data links and C2 was exemplary.

As I suspected, like a mini Swift Retort with combined arms applications.

Dear, like i said, in this strike we have 30-40 TTP killed, more wounded....imagine...it took six TTP guys only to kill 140 odd APS children. And here you have killed or neutralized maybe 60 -70 of them.....if we use maths again, it means ten times APS destruction averted, no?

Moreover, the way you are calculating collateral damage, let me give you another perspective to work on....

There were probably 1000 Pakistan soldiers employed on ground, they were supported by gunships and PAF jets who have otherwise limited visibility to whatever is there on the ground. And ALL this big machine, in this strike, managed to kill or neutralize 60 odd TTP guys, with only 6 civilian deaths. Isnt it good enough?


Dear, civilian killing is always disapproved, but it should not stop us from waging war against our enemies.

@PanzerKiel no need to explain. It was a job well done.Those who are worried 'more' about the optics after all these years, are either foolish friends or scheming enemy collaborators. Pakistan has suffered because we refused to pursue these roaches to their dens because of international law and human rights, and only did reactive ops. That should hold us back no more. We let the Taliban sort out TTP but they refused or could not do it.Now time for our own sweet revenge.Never leave the enemy bleeding, finish 'em.​

 

[Shapur]

Once the IEA is recognized as legit government of Afghanistan. It's time for Afghanistan and Pakistan to sit together and talk about how to manage the border and wider relations much better than they have in the past. Some sort of solution where both sides benefit would be ideal. The best person for IEA to negotiate would have been Imran Khan but sadly he's gone now.
It's regretable that such attacks on Afghan soil will further strenghten the narrative in Afghanistan that Pakistani army generals are just Western bought puppets and the recent fiasco against Imran Khan, past 20 years of giving supply routes to NATO and many other things support this theory. Before things get worse, Pakistani leaders need to come to the negotiating table with TTP,PTM and Baloch rebels and listen to their grievances and give them justice. The usual RAW, MOSAD and CIA narrative won't always work and will backfire in the long run. Last thing both Afghanistan and Pakistan need is more instability in the region which has suffered enough foe the oast 40 years

 

[Menace2Society]

That's just an excuse. They want to impose their version of strict Shariah law in Pakistan. What has that got to do with US war on terror?

Its not so much about Shariah, its about satisfying their desire for control. They think they can make Pakistanis compliant through extreme faith and then drain our resources.

They don't live by faith, they condone murder and have no empathy. It's a ruse.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Once the IEA is recognized as legit government of Afghanistan. It's time for Afghanistan and Pakistan to sit together and talk about how to manage the border and wider relations much better than they have in the past. Some sort of solution where both sides benefit would be ideal. The best person for IEA to negotiate would have been Imran Khan but sadly he's gone now.
It's regretable that such attacks on Afghan soil will further strenghten the narrative in Afghanistan that Pakistani army generals are just Western bought puppets and the recent fiasco against Imran Khan, past 20 years of giving supply routes to NATO and many other things support this theory. Before things get worse, Pakistani leaders need to come to the negotiating table with TTP,PTM and Baloch rebels and listen to their grievances and give them justice. The usual RAW, MOSAD and CIA narrative won't always work and will backfire in the long run. Last thing both Afghanistan and Pakistan need is more instability in the region which has suffered enough foe the oast 40 years

Pakistani state cannot compromise on its integrity and constitution to please TTP/Daesh or other terrorist groups based in Afghanistan. Now its job of IEA to take care of them or Pakistan will keep increasing the cost of hosting them. And unlike Americans, Pakistan isn't going anywhere.

Pakistan supported IEA for 2 decades and in return we get more terrorist attacks everyday since USA left.

 

[WotTen]

Its not so much about Shariah, its about satisfying their desire for control. They think they can make Pakistanis compliant through extreme faith and then drain our resources.

They don't live by faith, they condone murder and have no empathy. It's a ruse.

I agree. I think even if Pakistan had their style of Shariah law, they would find some other excuse to kill people.

They are basically thugs and criminals for hire.

 

[Ali_Baba]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1515832729136517123

Well - it is progress - maybe they will understand the value of educating their minds so they can make things like Air Defence Systems ????

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

As I suspected, like a mini Swift Retort with combined arms applications.

@PanzerKiel no need to explain. It was a job well done.Those who are worried 'more' about the optics after all these years, are either foolish friends or scheming enemy collaborators. Pakistan has suffered because we refused to pursue these roaches to their dens because of international law and human rights, and only did reactive ops. That should hold us back no more. We let the Taliban sort out TTP but they refused or could not do it.Now time for our own sweet revenge.Never leave the enemy bleeding, finish 'em.​

Afganistan is a land of "competeitive" warlords rivaling to get a piece of pie. And, their loyalty shifts with every breath. Pak needs to intervene to maintain a somewhat pro-Pak chain of warlords with benefits....

 

[ziaulislam]

Drones won't help much unless enemy is concentrated outside populated areas. MRAPs and other armored vehicles will help. That kind of procurement will require time and money.

Agree sir poor pakistan govt dont have enough money nor time..it takes 20 + years to procure them and 100billion dollars..we dont have both

 

[PakistaniFirst]

There are other ways to diminish remnants of TTP. Otherwise we maybe looking onto another conflict. Only time can tell.​

And What other ways are there to diminish TTP? Many people who share your POV say the same thing but never give any concrete "other ways" to counter TTP.
Pak role in US War on terror is JUST ONE of the reason why TTP was formed. I would suggest you read up on history of Waziristan (how they were an autonomous region and didnt got mainstream industrialization and education) , How afghanistan has always been against Pakistan, Lal masjid ( although i support Lal Masjid Op).
1)The only solution to this menance is education and jobs in Pakistan region of Pak-Afg border.
2)Only way Point #1 can happen is when security and peace is achieved in the region. Only then will people invest. Only then will real estate boom, franchises would come and a prosperous society would take place.
We need to implement point#1&2 simutanously if we want to progress.
Any further realist, implementable points are welcome.

 

[Shapur]

Pakistani state cannot compromise on its integrity and constitution to please TTP/Daesh or other terrorist groups based in Afghanistan. Now its job of IEA to take care of them or Pakistan will keep increasing the cost of hosting them. And unlike Americans, Pakistan isn't going anywhere.

Pakistan supported IEA for 2 decades and in return we get more terrorist attacks everyday since USA left.

Right, so US sponsored regime change doesn't hurt the integrity of Pakistani state but listening to the grievances of it's citizens somehow hurts it's integrity. I am confused.

So Pakistan supported IEA by giving supply routes to IEA's enemies AKA NATO + US to kill IEA members and make sure the war lasts for 20 years. Don't think IEA are that stupid to not see the duplicity of Pakistani leaders but they do know that standing up to USA is no joke and understand to an extent the "majboori" of Pakistan but they also know that many within Pakistani top brass, institutions are just slaves of USA for money and other benefits.

Unlike American dependent Ghani/Karzai regime, IEA won't tolerate any drone attacks and aggression on Afghan soil and things could get worse. IEA and TTP have deep rooted links built over decades so asking them to rout out TTP isn't going to work.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Right, so US sponsored regime change doesn't hurt the integrity of Pakistani state but listening to the grievances of it's citizens somehow hurts it's integrity. I am confused.

So Pakistan supported IEA by giving supply routes to IEA's enemies AKA NATO + US to kill IEA members and make sure the war lasts for 20 years. Don't think IEA are that stupid to not see the duplicity of Pakistani leaders but they do know that standing up to USA is no joke and understand to an extent the "majboori" of Pakistan but they also know that many within Pakistani top brass, institutions are just slaves of USA for money and other benefits.

Unlike American dependent Ghani/Karzai regime, IEA won't tolerate any drone attacks and aggression on Afghan soil and things could get worse. IEA and TTP have deep rooted links built over decades so asking them to rout out TTP isn't going to work.

We don't care what the relationship between iea and ttp is. We just want them to stop killing Pakistani people. afghanistan is isolated from the rest of the world and is on the verge of a famine. If ttp doesn't stop it's attacks, we will permanently seal the Pakistan/afghan border. Nothing comes in or goes out. The result will be a famine that will kill more afghans than the british, soviets/russians and americans/nato combined together killed. afghanistan would virtually cease to exist.

You call us slaves of americans??????????????, we are not the ones that were begging the world to make america/nato stay in our country nor were any Pakistanis falling to their deaths from clinging on to planes heading to america.

 

[FuturePAF]

Right, so US sponsored regime change doesn't hurt the integrity of Pakistani state but listening to the grievances of it's citizens somehow hurts it's integrity. I am confused.

So Pakistan supported IEA by giving supply routes to IEA's enemies AKA NATO + US to kill IEA members and make sure the war lasts for 20 years. Don't think IEA are that stupid to not see the duplicity of Pakistani leaders but they do know that standing up to USA is no joke and understand to an extent the "majboori" of Pakistan but they also know that many within Pakistani top brass, institutions are just slaves of USA for money and other benefits.

Unlike American dependent Ghani/Karzai regime, IEA won't tolerate any drone attacks and aggression on Afghan soil and things could get worse. IEA and TTP have deep rooted links built over decades so asking them to rout out TTP isn't going to work.

They don’t need to even arrest the TTP, which we know they won’t do, just make them stop attacks. Live their lives as normal civilians and work within their local government structures to govern as the majority of their community sees fit (within the laws of Pakistan).

Pakistan would rather not have to carry out raids into Afghanistan, or be forced by foreign powers to allow them to do the same. A stable and self sustaining Afghanistan (and non-hostile) that can feed itself is in Pakistan’s interests, not for the least reason so that Pakistan can send back the refugees. Afghanistan is also a market for Pakistani goods. It seems IEA is the one that can’t fully control its border regions, which is what is leading to these clashes.

 

[IceCold]

Once the IEA is recognized as legit government of Afghanistan. It's time for Afghanistan and Pakistan to sit together and talk about how to manage the border and wider relations much better than they have in the past. Some sort of solution where both sides benefit would be ideal. The best person for IEA to negotiate would have been Imran Khan but sadly he's gone now.
It's regretable that such attacks on Afghan soil will further strenghten the narrative in Afghanistan that Pakistani army generals are just Western bought puppets and the recent fiasco against Imran Khan, past 20 years of giving supply routes to NATO and many other things support this theory. Before things get worse, Pakistani leaders need to come to the negotiating table with TTP,PTM and Baloch rebels and listen to their grievances and give them justice. The usual RAW, MOSAD and CIA narrative won't always work and will backfire in the long run. Last thing both Afghanistan and Pakistan need is more instability in the region which has suffered enough foe the oast 40 years

TTP, BLA, BRA, Jamat ul ahar, are all terrorist organizations, and Indian support to these proxies isnt a hidden truth anymore. The only legitimate party in all of this is the IEA to whom Pakistan is trying to get them legitimize however the favor isnt been reciprocated the way we were hoping.
If IEA fails to stop its soil from being used by the above terrorists then Pakistan will have no option but to respond militarily.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Right, so US sponsored regime change doesn't hurt the integrity of Pakistani state but listening to the grievances of it's citizens somehow hurts it's integrity. I am confused.

So Pakistan supported IEA by giving supply routes to IEA's enemies AKA NATO + US to kill IEA members and make sure the war lasts for 20 years. Don't think IEA are that stupid to not see the duplicity of Pakistani leaders but they do know that standing up to USA is no joke and understand to an extent the "majboori" of Pakistan but they also know that many within Pakistani top brass, institutions are just slaves of USA for money and other benefits.

Unlike American dependent Ghani/Karzai regime, IEA won't tolerate any drone attacks and aggression on Afghan soil and things could get worse. IEA and TTP have deep rooted links built over decades so asking them to rout out TTP isn't going to work.

You are being dishonest by comparing political unrest in democracy to terrorist groups like TTP who's demands are unconstitutional. They want to implement their version of Islam on all of us which is unacceptable to even tribals of FATA let alone rest of Pakistan.

USA stopped giving aid 7 years ago. They stopped giving arms 7 years ago. All because of support to IEA. Because Pak establishment though that IEA will not support terrorists like TTP. How wrong they were. Expect more air strikes if IEA continue to support TTP. And with time it will only become more difficult for pariah state if Pakistan put economic sanctions along with deporting millions of afghanis back. No more free wheat, trade or travel.

IEA promised Pakistan that TTP will be taken care off and they backtracked on that promise.