Russia Admits China Illegally Copied Its Fighter

[shchinese]

but maintenance depends on size and complexity as well
su-27 family is huge you have to operate it in large numbers so that the maintenance comes down but if you are having smaller and less complex fighters you can no doubt field it in large numbers and hence the cost comes down and it wont be too complex either pity Algeria Vietnam Venezuela indonesia

you neglected a very important factor - the maintenance precedure and equipment.

It is well known that the J-11B has it own maintenance gears more efficient that the Russian ones and as those gears are same as the ones used in J-10, it costs less for training your maintenance staff.

your concept above is only correct when the country can only import fighters, that is the typical thing India/Vietnam do, but when this thread is about Russia/China, you really need to step forward a bit further. We are just different.

 

[zombie:-)]

you neglected a very important factor - the maintenance precedure and equipment.

It is well known that the J-11B has it own maintenance gears more efficient that the Russian ones and as those gears are same as the ones used in J-10, it costs less for training your maintenance staff.

your concept above is only correct when the country can only import fighters, that is the typical thing India/Vietnam do, but when this thread is about Russia/China, you really need to step forward a bit further. We are just different.

india builds su-30mki here including the engine and radar

i never knew that j-11b was cheaper to maintain than su-27 show some links please apart from the comonality factor with j-10s how else is it cheaper

 

[hj786]

i never knew that j-11b was cheaper to maintain than su-27 show some links please apart from the comonality factor with j-10s how else is it cheaper

You think J-11B is exactly the same as Su-27 or something? Wrong. It is heavily modified. I have read that not only is the air intake design modified for reduced RCS, but the entire aircraft uses far more composite materials, improvements have also been made to the structure because the original Su-27 airframes supplied to China were of low quality and had defects. I have also read that the J-11B is actually slightly SMALLER than Su-27.

If they can make all these improvements, you think they can't make it easier to maintain as well?
India may be building the Su-30, but China is on a higher level; they did not just install their own radars, avionics and missiles into a J-11, they actually re-designed it to make J-11B.

 

[mean_bird]

india builds su-30mki here including the engine and radar

Do you have any credible proof of that?

or do you mean just assemble where you build the less advanced parts yourself and import the more technologically advanced parts and assemble them.

 

[mean_bird]

Do it yourself: Russia blocks China’s copycat efforts

09 March, 2009, 17:04

Russia has refused to sell to China deck-based SU-33 fighters over fears of losing military secrets if China copies the fighter, according to Kanwa Defense Review.

China has been negotiating the purchase of SU-33s for quite a time. At first it was said that China needs 50 carrier-based fighters for future aircraft carriers to be built for the Chinese Navy. China insisted that before buying all 50 fighters it needed only two to give it a “try”.

Naturally, Russia refused to do so. Then Beijing raised the quantity of fighters to be bought to 14. Still, besides the data leakage, it was not acceptable because, as Russian experts put it, no less than 24 planes must be built to recoup the production.

Now it looks like the dead-locked negotiations will be dropped altogether.

Meanwhile, China plans to float out a 48,000-tonne aircraft carrier with a traditional propulsion system next year. By 2020 Beijing plans to put into service a 93,000-tonne nuclear-powered aircraft carrier.

In addition to these two ships China has already purchased out-of-date ex-Soviet cruisers around the world to copy the technology or even make some of them operational.

These moves will come at a serious price, as Russian deck-based fighters are significantly cheaper then any similar models, such as the French Rafale M or American F-35C or the F/A-22N Sea Raptor.

China is notorious for making illegal copies of almost anything from prêt-a-porter of famous brands to Russian fighter jets.

When back in 1995 Russia sold China a licence to produce 200 SU-27SK fighters (under the J-11 name) Russian experts were sure that the Chinese military industrial complex would be unable to copy the jet due to a huge technological gap. Experts were sure that the Chinese would not be able to copy the jet’s engines until 2013.

But Chinese engineers did their best. The quantity of Chinese components of J-11 had been rising slowly, but after a breakthrough in jet-engine construction, it rose to over 90%.
China bought equipment packages for 95 J-11s, but in 2003 refused to buy the remaining 105.

Dealing with the licence to produce deck-based SU-33 fighters China has not even bothered to hide its copying intentions behind big contracts.

If China manages to organise mass production of J-11s with all Chinese-produced components, Russia will face serious troubles and a fierce struggle with the Chinese for traditionally Russian military markets around the world.

 

[IceCold]

China is still considered to be the largest importer for Russian military hardware despite of its own efforts to develop things ingeniously which means that China can and will exert its influence/leverage over the Russians if it wishes to acquire SU-33 and Russians wont be able to hold it back for much longer.

 

[zombie:-)]

These moves will come at a serious price, as Russian deck-based fighters are significantly cheaper then any similar models, such as the French Rafale M or American F-35C or the F/A-22N Sea Raptor.

lol who's gonna offer them French Rafale M or American F-35C or the F/A-22N Sea Raptor and the later two are still in development or in concept stages