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Should India trade the Valley for a permanent UN Security Council seat

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Would you trade a concession on Kashmir for a permanent UN Security Council seat Such a hypothetical trade-off might not be as farfetched as it sounds.When US President Barack Obama comes to India later this year,one of the items on his agenda will be Kashmir.New Delhis position continues to be that Kashmir is an integral part of India and that the K-word is out of bounds for any third party.However,whether New Delhi likes it or not,Kashmir has acquired international ramifications,being one of the components of Washingtons so-called AfPak policy.Having announced a pullout date for Iraq,a White House increasingly embattled with a host of domestic social and economic problems would like to chalk out a withdrawal plan from Afghanistan as well.

In order to do that,however,it has first to somehow induce Pakistan to be a more reliable accomplice in the US-led anti-terrorist operations.The huge sums of money doled out to Islamabad by Washington have reportedly largely been spent on a clandestine promotion of the terrorism Pakistan ostensibly has been enlisted by the US to combat.

As cash bribes havent done the trick with Islamabad,Obama might have to try and pull another rabbit out of his hat to seduce Pakistan into cooperation.That rabbit could well be Kashmir,which Islamabad keeps underlining as its core issue vis-a-vis India.

The five-month-long ongoing azadi agitation in Kashmir,which has claimed more than a hundred civilian lives,could be a cue for Obama to put the Valley on the table,much though this will cause New Delhis hackles to rise.But perhaps South Block need not be so predictably prickly about the K-word.Perhaps,for once,the taboo word could be used as a bargaining chip to gain a larger objective: a permanent seat in the UN Security Council which Jawaharlal Nehru historically turned down in deference to China.

Give away Kashmir Not for all the world! And certainly not for some poxy Security Council seat which India is getting anyway from January 2011 for a two-year period.No Indian government could even think of giving away Kashmir without committing immediate political suicide,with no hope of reincarnation.But what about making some token concession on Kashmir: not azadi,not an India-Pakistan plebiscite,but a restoration of the autonomy that the state enjoyed till 1953,and which is within the framework of the Constitution.

Such a concession would not satisfy Pakistan.But it just might be enough to nudge Washington which is very keen on selling billions of dollars worth of arms to India to throw its weight behind New Delhis ambition of securing a permanent and not just a two-year Security Council seat.

Of the 15-member Security Council,five are permanent members: the US,Britain,Russia,France and China.These are the big boys,the P-5,who sit at the high table.Its in New Delhis larger interests to go all out to turn the P-5 into the P-6 by including itself in an elite group that shapes global policies.Indeed,India has been a beneficiary of the P-5 s clout,with Russia formerly the USSR having consistently used its veto to keep Kashmir off the international agenda.
Making a concession on Kashmir the restoration of pre-1953 autonomy,say is not going to mollify Islamabad,which will remain hostile to India.But if New Delhi can become the 6 in P-6,it will have gained a measure of parity with China,the biggest kid on the Asian block.Pakistan will remain a painful thorn in Indias heel,no matter what.But whom should India measure itself against: the virtually failed state of Pakistan,or the economic and military giant that is China

If it were your choice to make,which would you choose ?
 
none... Kashmir is a non-issue as far as international community is concerned, if at all GOI want to give autonomy to Kashmir then the intention should be to win their hearts, not for security council seat.....

All the permanent members of security council are slowly but surely coming in line for India's candidature, so wait and watch...
 
I think its in India's best interest it will create stability in India. It will also relax the hostility towards the country coming from all over the world. I won't get too much into it but India is better off without Kashmir than with it... cause like it or not thats the main source for most of India's problems.
 
I think its in India's best interest it will create stability in India. It will also relax the hostility towards the country coming from all over the world. I won't get too much into it but India is better off without Kashmir than with it... cause like it or not thats the main source for most of India's problems.

"Give away Kashmir Not for all the world! And certainly not for some poxy Security Council seat which India is getting anyway from January 2011 for a two-year period.No Indian government could even think of giving away Kashmir without committing immediate political suicide,with no hope of reincarnation."

Note above.

Parting with J&K is simply not an option at all.
 
I think its in India's best interest it will create stability in India. It will also relax the hostility towards the country coming from all over the world. I won't get too much into it but India is better off without Kashmir than with it... cause like it or not thats the main source for most of India's problems.

That means you have no clue about India and her problems...
 
not azadi,not an India-Pakistan plebiscite,but a restoration of the autonomy that the state enjoyed till 1953,and which is within the framework of the Constitution.

Failed proposal. India gives in to the plebiscite demand for all Kashmir and Pakistan itself would support India as a Permanent member with veto power. We won't have any issues to worry about India as a veto power.
 
Failed proposal. India gives in to the plebiscite demand for all Kashmir and Pakistan itself would support India as a Permanent member with veto power. We won't have any issues to worry about India as a veto power.

I dont think that is an option. Has a lower probability than China giving up claims on Taiwan or Tibet.

Would Pakistan trade off its restive Khyber Pakhtoonwa region for some major trade concessions from the Western world. After all there are more problems there than in Jammu and Kashmir.

And before anyone jumps in with the disputed status arguement, understand that its a hypothetical question, and the concept being discussed is a nation's compromise on its boundaroes for diplomatic /economic gains.
 
Failed proposal. India gives in to the plebiscite demand for all Kashmir and Pakistan itself would support India as a Permanent member with veto power. We won't have any issues to worry about India as a veto power.

How would India have an advantage over Pakistan on Kashmir by the UN veto power?... They will not be allowed to vote on that issue even... UN Charter.
 
India is not giving up Kashmir for anything or everything, Territorial integrity is numro uno for any nation. India is not giving up Kashmir even if the Gods came down and asked for it, only way to do the same is by defeating India in a full-fledged war and in a nuclear scenario it's not possible.
 
Kashmir is and will always be a part of India. pakistanis can keep wet dreaming it as a free nation. Before trying to create havoc in India, try telling your Chinese "friends" to let the Tibetans have their independence as well. :rolleyes:

The only problem is that china does not have UN resolution calling for it to have a vote for for freedom in tibet while india does in kashmir.
 
India must keep kashmir with it self if it want to bleed to death.

If India want to commit suicide we should encourage them after all they are GOOD FRIENDS
we have to see how long india will be able to deprive the masses of what they want.
At present even 12 year old are fanatically defying indian imperial rule
 
The only problem is that china does not have UN resolution calling for it to have a vote for for freedom in tibet while india does in kashmir.

And that would be between India and the United Nations.. Right? We can manage UN and that is visible in the recent comments from the Sec Gen as well.
 
India must keep kashmir with it self if it want to bleed to death.

If India want to commit suicide we should encourage them after all they are GOOD FRIENDS
we have to see how long india will be able to deprive the masses of what they want.
At present even 12 year old are fanatically defying indian imperial rule

Wasnt it a few decades back when Pakistan publically announced the war of thousand cuts against India?

However the country that seems to be bleeding at this time is Pakistan. And bleeding bad..

I dont know if Indian State has played a part in that, but either way the threat of India bleeding to death doesnt hold too much of credibility coming from Pakistan for obvious reasons.
 

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