So how good is Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter? Analysis from RUSI think-tank’s Justin Bronk

[My-Analogous]

So how good is Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter? Analysis from RUSI think-tank’s Justin Bronk

Created in China, perhaps based on an Russian idea, the JF-17 is solely in service with the Pakistan Air Force. Comparable in thrust and weight levels to the Swedish Gripen, the JF-17 is an intriguing design, but how effective is it? We asked Justin Bronk, from the Royal United Services Institute for his opinion.

“The JF-17 as an airframe is certainly competitive with the F-16, being slightly aerodynamically cleaner, with a lower wing loading but a less efficient engine than the F-16s latest F110-GE-129/132 engine options. In terms of pilot interface, sensor suite and weapon flexibility, the JF-17 is roughly at a par with 1990s-vintage F-16 Block 40/42 and could be close to the USAF-standard Block 50/52, although without the conformal fuel tanks, JHMCS helmet sighting system and radar upgrades which distinguish the later Block 50/52+ and AESA which equips the UAE’s Block 60/61s.”

How would you rate the JF-17 in terms of within-visual range (WVR) and beyond-visual range (BVR) fighter capabilities?

“WVR, equipped with the MAA-1 Piranha missile, the small and agile JF-17 will be a dangerous but not exactly world-beating opponent for existing fourth generation fighters. It is limited to +8/-3g and the current block 1 and 2 fighters do not yet have a helmet mounted sight system as standard (this is promised for block 3). The JF-17 also doesn’t have a greater than 1:1 thrust to weight ratio so would be at a significant disadvantage in terms of energy management against opponents such as the F-15C, Typhoon or Su-35. BVR, the KLJ-7 radar is significantly out-ranged by the F-16’s AN/APG-68 and completely outclassed by the Rafale’s AESA array, Typhoon’s CAPTOR-M and the Su-35’s monstrously powerful Irbis-E. The JF-17s small wing area and lightweight also limit its missile-carrying capacity which further disadvantages it in BVR engagements. However, it is worth remembering that the JF-17 is not really intended to take on Typhoons, Rafales, F-15s or Su-35s. It is meant to be a cheap and cheerful light multirole fighter and configured accordingly.”

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[My-Analogous]

@Windjammer @Zarvan @Horus @The Eagle @Indus Falcon @MastanKhan @Khafee

 

[imrankhan7250]

@Windjammer @Zarvan @Horus @The Eagle @Indus Falcon @MastanKhan @Khafee

Moron comparing jft with rafael, su35 etc.
Jft belongs to the light weight fighter and being compared with heavies. Lull the bashira type of comparison.

 

[My-Analogous]

Moron comparing jft with rafael, su35 etc.
Jft belongs to the light weight fighter and being compared with heavies. Lull the bashira type of comparison.

It mean that JF17 have something to compare and he used best fighter of heavy class to justify his statement. Plus i feel he have a pressure of Block 3 to make article like that

 

[!eon]

Moron comparing jft with rafael, su35 etc.
Jft belongs to the light weight fighter and being compared with heavies. Lull the bashira type of comparison.

what exactly Pakistan got to counter SU-30 MKI and Rafale ?

 

[Trango Towers]

I thought his comparison was poor as he compared jf17 with the latest western 4++ aircraft and focused on things like helmet mounted systems etc but then I scrolled down to tejas.....ouch.....Indians where do I apply the burn cream

Tejas......joke or hope.....

Verdict joke.......read and cry

 

[My-Analogous]

what exactly Pakistan got to counter SU-30 MKI and Rafale ?

Block 3 will cover that perfectly and after reading this report i am sure that JFB3 will be nightmare to any one of those. Writer is comparing light weight with heavy weight shown me the potential of JF17

 

[Spy Master]

In same article
https://hushkit.net/2016/07/24/figh...fighter-aircraft-programmes-around-the-world/

Tejas- joke or hope?

Tejas, national pride over practicality?

Joke. Thirty years of development to produce an aircraft with short range, poor payload, and severe quality control issues throughout the manufacturing process leading to badly fitting structural components, slow delivery rates and high costs due to remanufacturing and alterations requirements. India would have done much better to have just bought a licence to manufacture Gripen C/D.

 

[Zarvan]

So how good is Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter? Analysis from RUSI think-tank’s Justin Bronk

Created in China, perhaps based on an Russian idea, the JF-17 is solely in service with the Pakistan Air Force. Comparable in thrust and weight levels to the Swedish Gripen, the JF-17 is an intriguing design, but how effective is it? We asked Justin Bronk, from the Royal United Services Institute for his opinion.

“The JF-17 as an airframe is certainly competitive with the F-16, being slightly aerodynamically cleaner, with a lower wing loading but a less efficient engine than the F-16s latest F110-GE-129/132 engine options. In terms of pilot interface, sensor suite and weapon flexibility, the JF-17 is roughly at a par with 1990s-vintage F-16 Block 40/42 and could be close to the USAF-standard Block 50/52, although without the conformal fuel tanks, JHMCS helmet sighting system and radar upgrades which distinguish the later Block 50/52+ and AESA which equips the UAE’s Block 60/61s.”

How would you rate the JF-17 in terms of within-visual range (WVR) and beyond-visual range (BVR) fighter capabilities?

“WVR, equipped with the MAA-1 Piranha missile, the small and agile JF-17 will be a dangerous but not exactly world-beating opponent for existing fourth generation fighters. It is limited to +8/-3g and the current block 1 and 2 fighters do not yet have a helmet mounted sight system as standard (this is promised for block 3). The JF-17 also doesn’t have a greater than 1:1 thrust to weight ratio so would be at a significant disadvantage in terms of energy management against opponents such as the F-15C, Typhoon or Su-35. BVR, the KLJ-7 radar is significantly out-ranged by the F-16’s AN/APG-68 and completely outclassed by the Rafale’s AESA array, Typhoon’s CAPTOR-M and the Su-35’s monstrously powerful Irbis-E. The JF-17s small wing area and lightweight also limit its missile-carrying capacity which further disadvantages it in BVR engagements. However, it is worth remembering that the JF-17 is not really intended to take on Typhoons, Rafales, F-15s or Su-35s. It is meant to be a cheap and cheerful light multirole fighter and configured accordingly.”

For the full article go here

Note: Please don't go for full article and Indian not gone a like that

https://hushkit.net/2018/01/25/so-h...-analysis-from-rusi-think-tanks-justin-bronk/

He is right on point as of now JF-17 is better than BLOCK 40 but is behind BLOCK 52. But if we manage to bring AESA upgraded along with JHMCS and more hard points in BLOCK 3 than it would be at par with even BLOCK 60 if not better.

 

[CriticalThought]

Couple of mistakes:

The JF-17 also doesn’t have a greater than 1:1 thrust to weight ratio so would be at a significant disadvantage in terms of energy management against opponents such as the F-15C, Typhoon or Su-35.

Now I am NOT saying that Thunder could go head to head against these fighters and WIN with 100% probability, but the fact of the matter is that armed with 2 WVR + 4 BVRs, and no fuel tanks, its T/W is greater than 1, and by the time those BVRs are fired from a distance, the T/W can go up to 1.09. It is one mean fighter if it gets onto your tail, and being F-1C/Thyphoon/Su-35 will NOT help.

BVR, the KLJ-7 radar is significantly out-ranged by the F-16’s AN/APG-68

Block 2 have KLJ-7 V2 and I remember reading on the forum somewhere that Block1s are being upgraded to Block 2 standards. V2 allows firing two BVRs at opponents simultaneously.

The JF-17s small wing area and lightweight also limit its missile-carrying capacity which further disadvantages it in BVR engagements.

Wrong. With dual racks it can carry 2(WVR)+4(BVR) along with a centre line fuel tank.

However, it is worth remembering that the JF-17 is not really intended to take on Typhoons, Rafales, F-15s or Su-35s. It is meant to be a cheap and cheerful light multirole fighter and configured accordingly.”

It is meant to take on Su-30 MKIs and is quite up to the task, Alhamdulillah.

 

[Trango Towers]

He is right on point as of now JF-17 is better than BLOCK 40 but is behind BLOCK 52. But if we manage to bring AESA upgraded along with JHMCS and more hard points in BLOCK 3 than it would be at par with even BLOCK 60 if not better.

I wonder if they will add conformal fuel tanks

 

[Maarkhoor]

So how good is Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter? Analysis from RUSI think-tank’s Justin Bronk

Created in China, perhaps based on an Russian idea, the JF-17 is solely in service with the Pakistan Air Force. Comparable in thrust and weight levels to the Swedish Gripen, the JF-17 is an intriguing design, but how effective is it? We asked Justin Bronk, from the Royal United Services Institute for his opinion.

“The JF-17 as an airframe is certainly competitive with the F-16, being slightly aerodynamically cleaner, with a lower wing loading but a less efficient engine than the F-16s latest F110-GE-129/132 engine options. In terms of pilot interface, sensor suite and weapon flexibility, the JF-17 is roughly at a par with 1990s-vintage F-16 Block 40/42 and could be close to the USAF-standard Block 50/52, although without the conformal fuel tanks, JHMCS helmet sighting system and radar upgrades which distinguish the later Block 50/52+ and AESA which equips the UAE’s Block 60/61s.”

How would you rate the JF-17 in terms of within-visual range (WVR) and beyond-visual range (BVR) fighter capabilities?

“WVR, equipped with the MAA-1 Piranha missile, the small and agile JF-17 will be a dangerous but not exactly world-beating opponent for existing fourth generation fighters. It is limited to +8/-3g and the current block 1 and 2 fighters do not yet have a helmet mounted sight system as standard (this is promised for block 3). The JF-17 also doesn’t have a greater than 1:1 thrust to weight ratio so would be at a significant disadvantage in terms of energy management against opponents such as the F-15C, Typhoon or Su-35. BVR, the KLJ-7 radar is significantly out-ranged by the F-16’s AN/APG-68 and completely outclassed by the Rafale’s AESA array, Typhoon’s CAPTOR-M and the Su-35’s monstrously powerful Irbis-E. The JF-17s small wing area and lightweight also limit its missile-carrying capacity which further disadvantages it in BVR engagements. However, it is worth remembering that the JF-17 is not really intended to take on Typhoons, Rafales, F-15s or Su-35s. It is meant to be a cheap and cheerful light multirole fighter and configured accordingly.”

For the full article go here

Note: Please don't go for full article and Indian not gone a like that

https://hushkit.net/2018/01/25/so-h...-analysis-from-rusi-think-tanks-justin-bronk/

I read full,

See what he says about Tejas a truth from Indian fraand

Tejas- joke or hope?

Tejas, national pride over practicality?

Joke. Thirty years of development to produce an aircraft with short range, poor payload, and severe quality control issues throughout the manufacturing process leading to badly fitting structural components, slow delivery rates and high costs due to remanufacturing and alterations requirements. India would have done much better to have just bought a licence to manufacture Gripen C/D.

 

[war&peace]

This analysis on the whole is balanced and honest and I take it positively. Definitely they don't have all the info but we know the limits of the airframe (+8gs) and the current engine. Block-III will address a lot of deficiencies on avionics side but I'm not sure about any airframe changes. But I hope a better engine becomes available that gives it higher T/W than previous blks. However it highlights the need for a big brother like Su35s...there is a genuine need for that...since everything cannot be equalled just by numbers.

 

[Maarkhoor]

@Windjammer @war&peace @Areesh @django

 

[Zhukov]

what exactly Pakistan got to counter SU-30 MKI and Rafale ?

Good Old Atom Bamb!!! Har Marz ki aik Dawa
Uske ilawa wesey bhi kuch nai kharidna ya banana ham ne. Pese nai hain.