UAE, Bahrain condemn abduction of Israeli civilians by Hamas

[A.P. Richelieu]

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Palestinians need to up their game so they can balance out the collateral damage against the IsraHellis

The saying is:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Collateral damage is damage caused by attacks on military targets.

 

[xuxu1457]

I'm on the Palestinian side.
Because, Israelis can have comfortable living environment, can go to any country, can travel freely.But Palestinians can't.

 

[hatehs]

The saying is:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Collateral damage is damage caused by attacks on military targets.

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There's no evidence that Israel is targeting military targets. They flatten entire housing complexes and we are expected to believe that it was a military target because the IDF said so which has turned outtk be completely unreliable - if they'll lie about 40 beheaded babies, they'll lie about anything.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Nobel laureate arguments do not work when you have savaged and brutalized a nation which can't defend itself.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

There's no evidence that Israel is targeting military targets. They flatten entire housing complexes and we are expected to believe that it was a military target because the IDF said so which has turned outtk be completely unreliable - if they'll lie about 40 beheaded babies, they'll lie about anything.

If You think they committed war crimes, you have to produce the evidence.
Just showing that a house complex is destroyed does not prove anything.

You have to find the Israeli motivation why the house complex was destroyed and show that they had enough information to show that they knew that it was not a military target..

Hamas is digging tunnels all over Gaza, and these tunnels are military targets as it is planned to use them in defense.
There are plenty of other reasons like weapons storage, firing missiles etc.

I certainly have no clue about a specific house, but I am pretty sure You have no clue as well.

You can for certain believe that they are committing war crimes, but You are on shaky ground if you make accusations without evidence.

Obviously an investigation is warranted. With all the accusations about violating the treaty on incendiary weapons (in 2014?) the investigation showed that maybe one artillery shell was violating the treaty but no conclusive evidence could be produced.

It is easy to make ackusations, especially if your knowledge about war crimes comes from the back of a cereal package. Much harder to prove unless the crime is obvious, like the Hamas slaughter.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

If Israel did to Sweden a small fraction (5%) of what it did to Palestinians over the decades, they would have long turned into savages.

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'Vikings slaughtered many people for the sake of entertainment. Defenceless women and children even. The savageness of the Vikings are shown by the fact that Vikings killed people as a sense of pleasure.'

 

[p100]

Because it is a violation of international law.

I doubt that Israel ties kids on vehicles.

There have been cases when they force kids to go home and ask their relatives to come out which is probably also a violation.

Palestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N.

A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.

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GENEVA (Reuters) - A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.

“Palestinian children arrested by (Israeli) military and police are systematically subject to degrading treatment, and often to acts of torture, are interrogated in Hebrew, a language they did not understand, and sign confessions in Hebrew in order to be released,” it said in a report.

It voiced deep concern at the “continuous use of Palestinian children as human shields and informants”, saying 14 such cases had been reported between January 2010 and March 2013 alone.

“Almost all those using children as human shields and informants have remained unpunished and the soldiers convicted for having forced at gunpoint a nine-year-old child to search bags suspected of containing explosives only received a suspended sentence of three months and were demoted,” it said.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel faces human shield claim

Israeli human rights activists have accused border police of using a 13-year-old Palestinian as a human shield.
Rabbis for Human Rights say that Mohammed Badwan was tied by police to a jeep during a recent demonstration in the West Bank village of Bidou.

The police apparently hoped this would stop Palestinians from throwing stones during a protest against Israel's West Bank barrier.

Israel's Supreme Court banned the use of human shields in 2002.

Rabbis for Human Rights also say that the boy was beaten by Israeli police before being arrested.

Israeli settlers abduct, brutally assault 15-year-old Palestinian boy

Israeli settlers abducted and physically assaulted a 15-year-old Palestinian boy in the northern West Bank last week.

www.dci-palestine.org

Ramallah, August 27, 2021—Israeli settlers abducted and physically assaulted a 15-year-old Palestinian boy in the northern West Bank last week.

Israeli settlers abducted and assaulted 15-year-old Tareq Z. on August 17 near Homesh, an evacuated Israeli settlement located south of the occupied West Bank city of Jenin. The settlers pursued and struck Tareq with their car, tied him to the vehicle’s hood, hung him by his arms from a tree, and beat him until he lost consciousness, according to information collected by Defense for Children International - Palestine. He awoke inside an Israeli military vehicle and was subsequently taken by a Palestinian ambulance to the Jenin governmental hospital where he was treated for his injuries including a fractured knee, according to documentation collected by DCIP.

“Treated like animals”: Palestinian children face inhumane treatment in Israeli-run prisons | Save the Children International

Children in the Israeli military detention system face inhumane treatment such as beatings, strip searches, psychological abuse.

www.savethechildren.net

Children in the Israeli military detention system face inhumane treatment such as beatings, strip searches, psychological abuse, weeks in solitary confinement, and being denied access to a lawyer during interrogations, new research by Save the Children found.

Save the Children consulted more than 470 children from across the West Bank who have been detained over the past ten years. The organisation found that the majority of children were taken from their homes at night, blindfolded, with their hands painfully bound behind their backs. Many of the respondents said were not told why they were being arrested or where they were going.

“They destroyed the front door, entered my room, covered my face with a bag and took me away…They told my father that I would return the next day. I returned after 12 months”, said Abdullah*, who was detained six times as a child.

Every year, hundreds of Palestinian children are detained by Israeli authorities. They are the only children in the world who are systematically prosecuted through a military, rather than civilian, justice system.[1] The most common charge is throwing a stone - for which the maximum sentence is 20 years in prison

U.N. report accuses Israeli forces of using Palestinian children as human shields, abusing children in custody

U.N body on child rights makes explosive accusations; Israel dismisses as old news

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A United Nations committee focused on youth rights accused Israel Thursday of failing to stop the mistreatment of Palestinian children in military and police custody.

The group's report accuses Israeli forces of using Palestinian children as human shields, and alleges that detained children in some cases face torture, solitary confinement and threats of sexual assault.

Almost all military aged Israeli citizens are soldiers or reservists for IDF. It is disingenuous to call them non-combatants when those same people will be given a rifle and told to fight as soldiers at any time.

People at the concert are collateral damage as military aged Israelis are legitimate military targets and foreigners were caught in the crossfire. I do feel bad for the foreigners injured due to Palestinians having to defend themselves from IDF terrorists.

 

[Kaniska]

Abay kia ziada gobar kha liya ha tu nay? Where do you see the word "we" in my post?

You started showing your true class with your posts..What can be expected out of you?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Palestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N.

A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.

www.reuters.com

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel faces human shield claim

Israeli settlers abduct, brutally assault 15-year-old Palestinian boy

Israeli settlers abducted and physically assaulted a 15-year-old Palestinian boy in the northern West Bank last week.

www.dci-palestine.org

“Treated like animals”: Palestinian children face inhumane treatment in Israeli-run prisons | Save the Children International

Children in the Israeli military detention system face inhumane treatment such as beatings, strip searches, psychological abuse.

www.savethechildren.net

U.N. report accuses Israeli forces of using Palestinian children as human shields, abusing children in custody

U.N body on child rights makes explosive accusations; Israel dismisses as old news

www.cbsnews.com

There is certainly settlers which are as bad as the Palestinians.
As You pointed out, the Supreme court of Israel clearly marks this as a crime.
In the Palestinian case, this seems ordered from above.

Almost all military aged Israeli citizens are soldiers or reservists for IDF. It is disingenuous to call them non-combatants when those same people will be given a rifle and told to fight as soldiers at any time.

That kind of reasoning makes all Palestinians combatants as well.
They could try to blow up a bus as civilians.
The reasoning would not help them in the ICC.

People at the concert are collateral damage as military aged Israelis are legitimate military targets and foreigners were caught in the crossfire. I do feel bad for the foreigners injured due to Palestinians having to defend themselves from IDF terrorists.

The Palestinians do not know the identity of those participating, so they would attack something that is perceived as a civilian target.

 

[p100]

There is certainly settlers which are as bad as the Palestinians.
As You pointed out, the Supreme court of Israel clearly marks this as a crime.
In the Palestinian case, this seems ordered from above.



That kind of reasoning makes all Palestinians combatants as well.
They could try to blow up a bus as civilians.
The reasoning would not help them in the ICC.


The Palestinians do not know the identity of those participating, so they would attack something that is perceived as a civilian target.

Settlers are Israeli are they not? Israel might not outwardly encourage them but since the first illegal Zionist immigrants arrived in Palestine they invaded with women and children out front. Israel are sickos that use their own women and children as human shields for an invasion and get mad when they are attacked.

This kind of reasoning does not apply to Palestine. Palestinians are not invading Israel, they are defending themselves from terrorist invaders. Palestinians are trapped in a prison and cannot escape, get water, or electricity.

Palestinians know that adults in Israel are terrorist invaders for the past 60+ years. Israeli children killed in the crossfire of Palestinian freedom fighters and IDF/settler terrorists are the unfortunate casualties because Israel put them on the front lines and near the borders as human shields of their unending invasion.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Settlers are Israeli are they not? Israel might not outwardly encourage them but since the first illegal Zionist immigrants arrived in Palestine they invaded with women and children out front. Israel are sickos that use their own women and children as human shields for an invasion and get mad when they are attacked.

When they arrived they bought land and started kibbutzes.
As the Ottoman Empire had no problems with this, they were legal immigrants.
Arabs sent a delegation to complain and were sent away by the Ottomans because they had no case.
Then some local Arabs started attacking them, and they were forced to defend themselves. When You attack a farm, you should expect women and children.

This kind of reasoning does not apply to Palestine. Palestinians are not invading Israel, they are defending themselves from terrorist invaders. Palestinians are trapped in a prison and cannot escape, get water, or electricity.

Palestinians invaded Israel last Saturday.
Maybe they should have thought about that before they pissed off Egypt.

Palestinians know that adults in Israel are terrorist invaders for the past 60+ years. Israeli children killed in the crossfire of Palestinian freedom fighters and IDF/settler terrorists are the unfortunate casualties because Israel put them on the front lines and near the borders as human shields of their unending invasion.

Palestinians are poorly educated.
A concert without neighbouring troops is no human shield. It is just a concert.
They were not caught in a crossfire. They were deliberately massacred and executed if they were just wounded.

 

[nahtanbob]

Yah, it is always us. The same old bad Muslims, terrorist Muslims.

It is a media stereotype. You look at the world - Muslim and non-Muslim. It is your call here
The real world is different. you are more at conflict among yourselves.

If Israel did to Sweden a small fraction (5%) of what it did to Palestinians over the decades, they would have long turned into savages.

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'Vikings slaughtered many people for the sake of entertainment. Defenceless women and children even. The savageness of the Vikings are shown by the fact that Vikings killed people as a sense of pleasure.'

Vikings were savages in their time. We are talking 1000+ years ago.

A concert without neighbouring troops is no human shield. It is just a concert,

It beats me how supporters of Palestinians spin this one. the only intention was to kill as many civilians as possible. I am not shedding any tears for the dead ones. Be prepared to face the music

 

[hatehs]

If You think they committed war crimes, you have to produce the evidence.
Just showing that a house complex is destroyed does not prove anything.

You have to find the Israeli motivation why the house complex was destroyed and show that they had enough information to show that they knew that it was not a military target..

Hamas is digging tunnels all over Gaza, and these tunnels are military targets as it is planned to use them in defense.
There are plenty of other reasons like weapons storage, firing missiles etc.

I certainly have no clue about a specific house, but I am pretty sure You have no clue as well.

You can for certain believe that they are committing war crimes, but You are on shaky ground if you make accusations without evidence.

Obviously an investigation is warranted. With all the accusations about violating the treaty on incendiary weapons (in 2014?) the investigation showed that maybe one artillery shell was violating the treaty but no conclusive evidence could be produced.

It is easy to make ackusations, especially if your knowledge about war crimes comes from the back of a cereal package. Much harder to prove unless the crime is obvious, like the Hamas slaughter.

Civilian infrastructure is protected under international law. The onus is on Israel to prove that they are targeting secret Hamas bases.

Anyway, they have reached a point where they are now cutting off civilians from water, electricity, and aid, which is a war crime. We keep seeing repeated instances where they violate international law - illegal settlements, cutting off utilities and aid, bombing people fleeing warzones, and for some reason we are also expected to believe they are targeting militants when they bomb homes and hospitals. Sorry, there needs to be proof.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Civilian infrastructure is protected under international law.

Infrastructure may have a military value. The law on proportionality needs to be considered though.

The onus is on Israel to prove that they are targeting secret Hamas bases.

The guiding principle is ”Innocent, until proven guilty”
It is up to investigators to prove that a war crime is committed.
You say dictatorial behaviour is the way to go.

Anyway, they have reached a point where they are now cutting off civilians from water, electricity, and aid, which is a war crime.

That is what the EU stated.
It also stated that killing civilians and taking them as hostages is a war crime.

We keep seeing repeated instances where they violate international law - illegal settlements, cutting off utilities and aid, bombing people fleeing warzones, and for some reason we are also expected to believe they are targeting militants when they bomb homes and hospitals. Sorry, there needs to be proof.

And you present a one-sided point of view.

 

[hatehs]

Infrastructure may have a military value. The law on proportionality needs to be considered though.

It's for Israel to prove it has military value. You can't shriek about the principle of "Innocent until proven guilty" then allow Israelis to bomb civilian buildings and infrastructure like hospitals and schools en-masse without proving they are legitimate military targets.

It also stated that killing civilians and taking them as hostages is a war crime.

What's the point here? Is your objective to prove that Israel wasn't initially responsible? Israel has been violating international law long before with it's illegal settlements and targeting of protected civilian infrastructure.

And you present a one-sided point of view.

How? For pointing out Israel has been violating international law?