Why so many Kiran trainers have crashed

[Khan vilatey]

I was looking through some numbers and found this interesting fact.

Pakistani/ Chinese k-8 trainers

Numbers built 500+
Crashes by the 4 air forces that operate it : 4

Hongdu JL-8

en.m.wikipedia.org

Indians Against flying (IAF) Kiran trainer
Numbers built 190
Crashes 80

HAL HJT-16 Kiran

en.m.wikipedia.org

Bharat Rakshak:Indian Air Force -

Why, why oh why ?


K

 

[Mrc]

Very interesting

So nearly half built have crashed and other half are probably being serviced... Likely less than 10 actually flying

 

[Khan vilatey]

It’s the same story with the mighty-21, 29 , su-30 even mirages. No other air force crashes this many planes. Is it because the cadets India gets for training are very low quality who are then indoctrinated in the Russian/ Soviet philosophy of flying? See the best of India Tries to go into business or work for larger business, those who are the worst in their fields join the military.

This is probably because of the economics, in a very Competitve country.

What do you think?

k

 

[siegecrossbow]

It’s the same story with the mighty-21, 29 , su-30 even mirages. No other air force crashes this many planes. Is it because the cadets India gets for training are very low quality who are then indoctrinated in the Russian/ Soviet philosophy of flying? See the best of India Tries to go into business or work for larger business, those who are the worst in their fields join the military.

This is probably because of the economics, in a very Competitve country.

What do you think?

k

Since when did the Soviets crash half of their fleet of trainers? Don’t drag them through the mud. The Vietnamese used Soviet style training/tactics to great effect during the air battles of the Vietnam War.

 

[khail007]

If the number of crashes mentioned are true, then it means the aircraft's handling/aerodynamics are substandard/not suitable for novice hands.
Not aware of fatalities in those crashes, IAF should go for some better aircraft in that category.

 

[Fus Ro Dah]

In past 9 years (only 4 Kiran trainers crashed).
Most crashes were in 80s and 90s.
BTW out 198 Mirages inducted by PAF, 70-75 have crashed.
@siegecrossbow

 

[Khan vilatey]

If the number of crashes mentioned are true, then it means the aircraft's handling/aerodynamics are substandard/not suitable for novice hands.
Not aware of fatalities in those crashes, IAF should go for some better aircraft in that category.

The numbers are from Bharat Rakshah, it’s probably the terrible quality of the cadets and instructors of the Indians against flying IAF

k

 

[siegecrossbow]

In past 9 years (only 4 Kiran trainers crashed).
Most crashes were in 80s and 90s.
BTW out 198 Mirages inducted by PAF, 70-75 have crashed.
@siegecrossbow

Did they retire the rest of them or something?

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

I was looking through some numbers and found this interesting fact.

Pakistani/ Chinese k-8 trainers

Numbers built 500+
Crashes by the 4 air forces that operate it : 4



Indians Against flying (IAF) Kiran trainer
Numbers built 190
Crashes 80





Why, why oh why ?


K

Chinese made Hongdu JL-8 was developed in 1994. And, Indian made HAL Kiran in 1968...

Please do the comparison once Hongdu JL-8 served at least 50 years....

 

[Khan vilatey]

In past 9 years (only 4 Kiran trainers crashed).
Most crashes were in 80s and 90s.
BTW out 198 Mirages inducted by PAF, 70-75 have crashed.
@siegecrossbow
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can you please provide the link to the numbers of mirage crashes

Chinese made Hongdu JL-8 was developed in 1994. And, Indian made HAL Kiran in 1968...

Please do the comparison once Hongdu JL-8 served at least 50 years....

We fly t-37 tweet for years we still did not have 80 crashes....... so why not other air force crash as much. Name any other air force that has the number of crashes as the Indians against flying (IAF)........ come on man...... you know it’s time, for the Saftey of the flying public to let the PAF provide india with a creditable air defense

this needless murder of pilots must stop. India should stop this miserable flying experiment and disband the India’s against flying (IAF)

k

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

There’s some curse associated with the Sanskrit based names! No long term good ever comes out of them....

 

[Khan vilatey]

I just feel bad for the families. Bharat rakshah has a database of Indian aircraft crashes. You know you are in trouble when you need a database to maintain the number of crashes

k

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

can you please provide the link to the numbers of mirage crashes


We fly t-37 tweet for years we still did not have 80 crashes....... so why not other air force crash as much. Name any other air force that has the number of crashes as the Indians against flying (IAF)........ come on man...... you know it’s time, for the Saftey of the flying public to let the PAF provide india with a creditable air defense

this needless murder of pilots must stop. India should stop this miserable flying experiment and disband the India’s against flying (IAF)

k

When you solve the crash issues and RIP-off from J7 fighter (Recently purchased in 1990-20's) then point on other 50 years old aircraft.

I just feel bad for the families. Bharat rakshah has a database of Indian aircraft crashes. You know you are in trouble when you need a database to maintain the number of crashes

k

I hope do you feel the same for j7 and older mirage pilots...

 

[Myth_buster_1]

In past 9 years (only 4 Kiran trainers crashed).
Most crashes were in 80s and 90s.
BTW out 198 Mirages inducted by PAF, 70-75 have crashed.
@siegecrossbow

For 50 years of service its not a bad record.

 

[Fus Ro Dah]

can you please provide the link to the numbers of mirage crashes

Data till Jun 2014 is available here

Chronological Listing of Pakista

Data post Jun 2014 here:

Aviation Safety Network > ASN Aviation Safety WikiBase > Geographical regions index > ASN Aviation Safety Database results

Aviation Safety Network: Aviation Safety Network: Databases containing descriptions of over 11000 airliner write-offs, hijackings and military aircraft accidents.

aviation-safety.net

Did they retire the rest of them or something?

No.
85 Kirans still in service.
Drastic reduction in IAF crashes in past 10 yearz