JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[Ghessan]

Then stop making stuff up. Go lie to some of your family members... Just not here.

i don't think you are blind and read already what i said and i don't have to repeat.

 

[SQ8]

PAF VS IAF fleet comparison

J-10C (25) - Rafale (36)
JF-17 (134) - Mig-29 (69)
F-16 (75) - SU30 (284)
F-7P/F-7PG (47) - Mig-21 (125)
Mirage 3 (60) - Jaguar (139)
Mirage 5 (69) - Mirage 2000 (51)

Total aircrafts combined of all three armed forces:
Pakistan: 1385
India: 1715

India has to face two fronts+. On the other side, PAF is the largest air force in the Islamic world in terms of fighter jets, more diverse as compared to its adversary’, maintaining a highly complex fleet with the combination of western and Chinese tech including Russian engines, loaded with state-of-art weapon systems either BVR — AIM120, PL15, AESA, Jamming pods to AWACS. Very few in the 1st world possess such a level of deterrence in air warfare.

All over the world nations wish for diminished threats and better relationships while India materialized a threat into existence that was never there.

India still has a higher ratio of 4th gen+ fighters but it also needs twice the pilots for 234 of them. So its ability to generate sorties is lower (although the PAF has also lost that ratio to a large degree due to civil aviation).

However, the “cake walk” Indians imagined back in the early 2000s when the Su-30s were piling on is over. It will be a brutal conflict if it ever comes to pass and numbers can be neglected easily by an airforce that executes average plans with high competency versus excellent plans with low competency. However, basic exchange ratios mean that all human elements considered equal the IAF will Prevail but not without losing at the least 50% of its strength if not more.

 

[kursed]

All over the world nations wish for diminished threats and better relationships while India materialized a threat into existence that was never there.

India still has a higher ratio of 4th gen+ fighters but it also needs twice the pilots for 234 of them. So its ability to generate sorties is lower (although the PAF has also lost that ratio to a large degree due to civil aviation).

However, the “cake walk” Indians imagined back in the early 2000s when the Su-30s were piling on is over. It will be a brutal conflict if it ever comes to pass and numbers can be neglected easily by an airforce that executes average plans with high competency versus excellent plans with low competency. However, basic exchange ratios mean that all human elements considered equal the IAF will Prevail but not without losing at the least 50% of its strength if not more.

Would they want to utilize 50% of their air worthy assets vs PAF, given PLAAF now has 8 different bases, with tens if not hundreds of assets right across the hump.

 

[Scorpiooo]

May be offcial induction of Block 3 will came later on when full sqr will be inducted in PAF colors

 

[ghazi52]

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JF-17 Block Ⅲ project proceeded to the initial design stage at the end of October, a key milestone for the project.



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[Chak Bamu]

.,.,.
JF-17 Block Ⅲ project proceeded to the initial design stage at the end of October, a key milestone for the project.

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That nearly gave me a heart-attack. But then I saw 2017

Don't do this bro.

 

[AMRAAM]

J-10C's induction is done. let's switch the gears back to Block III.

It's been 3 months and no new images of B3. I think induction is going to be around Q3-Q4.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Is it true JF-17 Block 3 Financial Data Hacked?

Biggest Ever Hack at Finance Ministry Reveals State Secrets

The official data of the Finance Ministry of Pakistan has been leaked in what appears to be the biggest cyber security breach any Pakistani institution

propakistani.pk

Possible, but needs confirmation.

 

[araz]

There has been a total blackout on Bl3 news. What is going on. Given the numbers they would have enough to induct a squadron now. Is there a problem or are they waiting for something.
Anyone has any ideas

 

[PanzerKiel]

There has been a total blackout on Bl3 news. What is going on. Given the numbers they would have enough to induct a squadron now. Is there a problem or are they waiting for something.
Anyone has any ideas

Still the same...

JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

27th Feb || Celebrating Swift Retort Day || Unveiling the JF-17 thunder Block 3 of PAF || PTV World

defence.pk

 

[FuturePAF]

All over the world nations wish for diminished threats and better relationships while India materialized a threat into existence that was never there.

India still has a higher ratio of 4th gen+ fighters but it also needs twice the pilots for 234 of them. So its ability to generate sorties is lower (although the PAF has also lost that ratio to a large degree due to civil aviation).

However, the “cake walk” Indians imagined back in the early 2000s when the Su-30s were piling on is over. It will be a brutal conflict if it ever comes to pass and numbers can be neglected easily by an airforce that executes average plans with high competency versus excellent plans with low competency. However, basic exchange ratios mean that all human elements considered equal the IAF will Prevail but not without losing at the least 50% of its strength if not more.

This is why the PAF needs a plan for replenishment from friendly nations similar to what Ukraine has been provided.

Delay is there due to additional stores which have been tested on the aircraft. Presently, taxiing tests are being conducted.

Any chance a pylon like this could be added to house a towed decoy?

https://www.rafael.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/x-guard.pdf

As well as a “Hard Kill - Defensive Aid System” like MBDA and Raytheon are developing. It would probably add significant survivability to the JF-17 against volleys of long range missiles like Meteor and possibly even highly maneuverable WVR missiles if the missile shot can be anticipated and the distance is great enough to give the defensive missile enough time to engage the threat.

PAF should look into Hard Kill Missile and Soft Kill Systems

With it's limited Funds and the critical part the Air force in general and high value assets like AWE&C plays in the defense of the nation, the Air Force should look into developing Hard Kill systems (similar to how the Navy upgraded the Agosta Submarine with the Turkish anti-torpedo system...

defence.pk

Raytheon to Produce Air-Launched Anti-Missile Missile

The USAF is moving ahead with the development of the Miniature Self Defense Missile (MSDM) which will act as an air-launched defensive interceptor capable of destroying incoming missiles. MSDM will…

www.overtdefense.com

These kinds of missiles can be laser guided to lower the cost of putting expensive sensors on board, and have applications for shooting down drones of enemy artillery bot just defending aircraft. The missile the PAF and PA should really study is the MHTK or Miniature Hit to Kill Missile

Very small. Probably could fit a half dozen around the aircraft in the chaff/flare launchers and add significant survivability

 

[Yasser76]

This is why the PAF needs a plan for replenishment from friendly nations similar to what Ukraine has been provided.


Any chance a pylon like this could be added to house a towed decoy?

https://www.rafael.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/x-guard.pdf

As well as a “Hard Kill - Defensive Aid System” like MBDA is developing

PAF should look into Hard Kill Missile and Soft Kill Systems

With it's limited Funds and the critical part the Air force in general and high value assets like AWE&C plays in the defense of the nation, the Air Force should look into developing Hard Kill systems (similar to how the Navy upgraded the Agosta Submarine with the Turkish anti-torpedo system...

defence.pk

Raytheon to Produce Air-Launched Anti-Missile Missile

The USAF is moving ahead with the development of the Miniature Self Defense Missile (MSDM) which will act as an air-launched defensive interceptor capable of destroying incoming missiles. MSDM will…

www.overtdefense.com

I think China will not have a problem resupplying J-10s/JF-17s quickly

 

[FuturePAF]

I think China will not have a problem resupplying J-10s/JF-17s quickly

It may have a problem resupply JF-17s because they don’t have any of their own, but J-10s could be resupplied from their own stores, which is why I have long advocated the PAF but the J-10; for the very real possible need.

 

[Princeps Senatus]

Any chance a pylon like this could be added to house a towed decoy?

https://www.rafael.co.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/x-guard.pdf

As well as a “Hard Kill - Defensive Aid System” like MBDA is developing. It would probably add significant survivability to the JF-17 against long range missile like Meteor and possibly even highly maneuverable WVR missiles if the missile shot can be anticipated and the distance is great enough to give the defensive missile enough time to engage the threat.

PAF should look into Hard Kill Missile and Soft Kill Systems

With it's limited Funds and the critical part the Air force in general and high value assets like AWE&C plays in the defense of the nation, the Air Force should look into developing Hard Kill systems (similar to how the Navy upgraded the Agosta Submarine with the Turkish anti-torpedo system...

defence.pk

Raytheon to Produce Air-Launched Anti-Missile Missile

The USAF is moving ahead with the development of the Miniature Self Defense Missile (MSDM) which will act as an air-launched defensive interceptor capable of destroying incoming missiles. MSDM will…

www.overtdefense.com

These things are not feasible for JF-17 (a cost-effective light weight fighter). Measures like these are more suited for J-10.

 

[FuturePAF]

These things are not feasible for JF-17 (a cost-effective light weight fighter). Measures like these are more suited for J-10.

Adding a feature to a pylon or two and adding a few defensive missiles with the chaff and flare is too expensive? Considering the limited number of fighters we have, we need these kinds of defense on all our Fighters to keep them survivable against modern threats. It’s the equivalent of carry EW defenses.

Look at the size of these micro missiles in the fore ground compared to a BVR missile behind them and a WVR missile behind that