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Bangladesh:Gunfight at BDR headquarters

Sorry I am no fond of SAKA or his father.Instead I doubt he might be into this.

One another observation is the killing,dumping,looting and raping we witnessed are similar to 1971.

SAKA,NIZAMI,Mujahid are patriots,ok I agree,but not Bangladeshi patriot but Pakistani Patriot.

These people you mentioned had not done anything against Bangladesh or its interest since Independence. If so please give us some proof so we can understand.

Same can not be said about Awami league and its leadership.

1) 25 years so call friendship treaty with India
2) 974 border treaty that Mujib implemented and conceded land to India but Indian never gave bangladeshi land back.
3) Giving nod to Indian Farraka project.
4) Creation rakkhi bahini sidelining Bangladesh army
5) Participation on Indian anti Bangladesh propaganda of failed and fundamentalist state.

all of these Awami league doing are anti Bangladesh and its existence.

Even yesterday Bangladesh Army has accused Awami league minister Jahangir Nanok and whip Mirza Azam (who is brother in law of executed JMB chief Abdur Rahman) involvement behind the massacre and asked PM to take action (fire) them. Any inaction by PM will further implicate and complicate PM and her party involvement.
 
These people you mentioned had not done anything against Bangladesh or its interest since Independence. If so please give us some proof so we can understand.

Same can not be said about Awami league and its leadership.

1) 25 years so call friendship treaty with India
2) 974 border treaty that Mujib implemented and conceded land to India but Indian never gave bangladeshi land back.
3) Giving nod to Indian Farraka project.
4) Creation rakkhi bahini sidelining Bangladesh army
5) Participation on Indian anti Bangladesh propaganda of failed and fundamentalist state.

all of these Awami league doing are anti Bangladesh and its existence.

Even yesterday Bangladesh Army has accused Awami league minister Jahangir Nanok and whip Mirza Azam (who is brother in law of executed JMB chief Abdur Rahman) involvement behind the massacre and asked PM to take action (fire) them. Any inaction by PM will further implicate and complicate PM and her party involvement.


They created obstacles to the independence of Bangladesh by forming Al-Badr,Al-Shams.That does mean anti-state work.

I previously told you in another thread that AL is not saint too,I hope I need not to repeat again.So let's cut it here.

Before this thread gets derailed,can you please honestly say a military action was possible there?I only saw BNP leaders and Lt.Gen Mir Shawkat Ali advocating for this thing.
 
I have read in Indian media that PM Hasina Personal Security is managed by BDR. Can some body from BD confirm that.

tx
 
Any BD member watched yesterday's parliament session?It was the most interesting session I have ever seen.

Contrary to the belief that military action was possible,I would say then the civilian death toll would be very high.And these same people would then bash the Govt.
I know the area,it buzzes with people on any day.So many school,college and University around it.I don't know why Lt.Gen.Mir Shawkat Ali is saying this when his colleagues and the survivors themselves said that this was the best way to deal with.A military action in densely populated area is not so wise,although I am no defence expert,but I can say that.

PM, Awami ministers and Moeen U himself grossly misled people and army. They said there were 3000 to 4000 BDR members inside BDR HQ and used that as excuse if army goes in there will be further casualty. In fact many (including myself) supported that move based on that misleading info.

BUT now it is reveled that within hours of mutiny most of BDR members got out of BDR HQ and only 300 -400 BDR were inside. Awami delegation who went inside right after noon knew about BDR numbers inside BUT misled people and army. Also killing went into later afternoon so claiming by 11 it was over is just poor attempt of cover up and would not work.

PM not only took 3-4 hours in discussion when she failed miserably to get any officers out in return or any information on their whereabouts. Within that 3-4 hours most of these officers were killed.

All senior ex army officers including Ershad (Awami league political partner) said it was blunder that army was kept from going in. By 11 am 46 Infantry was in position to take action and it would taken 15 to 30 minutes to take control of BDR HQ.

Awami is famous for negative spin and politics and we should not expect any different. I would admit I thought they might have changed but looks like they came as black wolf in sheep skin. People are already seeing real color.
 
I have read in Indian media that PM Hasina Personal Security is managed by BDR. Can some body from BD confirm that.

tx

You seems to have no clue about Bangladesh. No wonder its so easy for India media to run propaganda for audience like you.
 
You seems to have no clue about Bangladesh. No wonder its so easy for India media to run propaganda for audience like you.
Well I agree with your point on my knowledge regarding BD and also I understand the role media generally play. That's why I asked the BD members.

tx
PS:So can I take your response as no.
 
They created obstacles to the independence of Bangladesh by forming Al-Badr,Al-Shams.That does mean anti-state work.

Read my post carefully, I said since Bangladesh independence.

For rest of your question please read my last post. All senior ex army officers including Maj Gen Fazlur Rahman, Ershad (interview with diganta TV yesterday), Brig Hannan Shah and all serving officers said military operation was the right action and could save most of officers life.

AMAR DESH PUBLICATIONS

The Daily Ittefaq - March 2, 2009


I am amazed some people still fall for Indo Awami propaganda.
 
I have read in Indian media that PM Hasina Personal Security is managed by BDR. Can some body from BD confirm that.

tx

No you heard wrong.

Her personal security is by SSF(special security force) of Army men.For president it is PGR(Presidential Guard Regiment).
 
All senior ex army officers including Ershad (Awami league political partner) said it was blunder that army was kept from going in. By 11 am 46 Infantry was in position to take action and it would taken 15 to 30 minutes to take control of BDR HQ.


The killing was over by 11 pm was from one of the survivors,Lt.Col.Shams,who said killing might be over by 11pm.

I highly doubt after that most killers got away,as the walls inside are as low as 4 to 5 feet.Then some got away at night.

About the numbers,Indian media has a part here too.They were claiming there were more than 10000 troop,instead there were 3000 and many fled with their families in the early hours.So that leaves around 500+ who took up arms and among them,a group of 100 or more committed the killing.
 
Heated debate in JS over BDR issue
Staff Correspondent

The parliamentary discussion on obituary motion on slain BDR officials turned into a blame game yesterday with treasury and opposition bench lawmakers blasting each other.

Even Leader of the House Sheikh Hasina and Leader of the Opposition Khaleda Zia joined in and set a bizarre example of an obituary motion discussion in parliamentary.

The House, however, unanimously adopted the motion at 10:00pm ending the unscheduled long discussion. The discussion, which turned into a debate, began around 4:00pm and 27 lawmakers including Hasina and Khaleda took part.

The sitting was adjourned twice for 35 minuets for Asr and Maghrib prayers.

Wearing black badges, the lawmakers joined the House to mourn the deaths of army officials and a few civilians who were victims of the BDR mutiny.

When the parliament adopted the resolution, the atmosphere of mourning existed little due to the attack and counter attack of the treasury and opposition lawmakers' against each other.

The speaker tabled the written questions and answers of question-answer session yesterday and adjourned other things scheduled in the order of the day. Piloting the obituary reference, Speaker Abdul Hamid proposed a short discussion with participation only of Leader of the House Sheikh Hasina and Leader of the Opposition Khaleda Zia.

The speaker gave the floor to Khaleda Zia to say something on obituary motion. But, Khaleda Zia, who appeared for the second time in the ninth parliament yesterday, demanded the speaker allows other lawmakers to speak first on the motion.

Following Khaleda's demand, the speaker allowed other lawmakers to join the discussion.

However, Khaleda later blamed the speaker for allowing the discussion to go on.

Referring to the speech of BNP lawmaker Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury, Awami League (AL) lawmaker Tofail Ahmed said, "The way he laughed and mocked in the House, their [the deceased people's] departed souls would be hurt. People were also dissatisfied."

"Who has benefited from today's discussion?" Tofail said.

None of the previous parliaments witnessed such a long discussion on obituary motion. Usually a handful of senior lawmakers take part in the brief discussion on obituary motion to pay tribute to those for whom the motion was placed.

The speaker had interrupted opposition lawmaker Salahuddin Quader Chowdhury for making a statement against another lawmaker since the speaker would not allow the lawmaker to defend his position during the obituary motion.


The August 15, 1975, killing of Bangabandhu family, jail killing on November 3, 1975, killing of army officials in court martial during the regime of Ziaur Rahman, the August 21, 2004, grenade attack on an AL rally and the August 17, 2005, countrywide bomb blasts were raised among other issues during the discussion.

The opposition lawmakers criticised the government steps taken to handle the BDR crisis. They accused the government of going soft on mutineers while treasury bench lawmakers defended the government moves.

"It is unfortunate," an AL lawmaker described the unscheduled discussion. He questioned whether the army senior officials who were brutally killed were respected at all in the discussion.

AL lawmaker Suranjit Sengupta said he had not seen such an instance in parliament before. He suggested that the speaker expunge the entire discussion leaving alone the speeches of Sheikh Hasina and Khaleda Zia.

"We do not know why the leader of the opposition wanted discussion on the obituary motion. What did she want?" Sengupta said.

Referring to former BNP-led alliance government's indifference to probing and holding trials of the August 21 grenade attack case, Sengupta said, "They came here today with the same mentality. They did not come here with sympathy."

BNP lawmaker MK Anwar, however, put the blame on the speaker for letting the discussion be held. He said the speaker himself suggested that only the leader of the House and the leader of the opposition should speak on the obituary motion.

The treasury and opposition bench lawmakers, however, described the massacre as a planned conspiracy to weaken the country's defence forces and demanded quick trial to ensure exemplary punishment of the perpetrators.

Taking part in the discussion, Commerce Minister Faruk Khan said the government has already collected a lot of information. "We know who sent SMS [texted] to BDR members asking them not to surrender arms. We know who brought out procession encouraging the BDR butchers," the commerce minister said urging the prime minister to handle the situation with an iron fist. "None will be spared," Faruk said.

Citing some military operations and their causality figures in neighbouring countries, the commerce minister said those who are talking about military operations do not know the nature of such operations.

The House adopted the obituary motion on the deaths of one major general, one brigadier general, 17 colonel, 11 Lt Colonel, 17 Major and one captain brutally killed by jawans of BDR during a mutiny at BDR headquarters on February 25-26.

Referring to the latest information, the obituary motion said 72 army officials are still missing. Work on recovering and identifying them is going on. The names of the missing and their details will be made available on completion of the recovery task.

When all the names of the deceased will be available, the names will be included in the obituary motion which will be published as a book and sent to the families of the slain army officials.

The House also expressed condolences to the deaths of civilians in the carnage.

The Daily Star - Details News

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Anyone missed it?
 
Army officers' janaza held



The namaz-e-janaza of 41 army officers and BDR director general Maj Gen Shakil Ahmed's wife brutally killed at the BDR headquarters was held today (Monday) at the National Parade Square in Dhaka at about 10:40am.

The shaheed officers are Maj Gen Shakil and his wife Begum Nazneen Shakil, Col Md Zakir Hossain, Col Mohammad Mashiur Rahman, Col Kudrat Elahi Rahman Shafiq, Col Mohammad Akhtar Hossain, Col Md Rezaul Kabir, Col Nafiz Uddin Ahmed, Col Kazi Emdadul Haq, Col Samsul Arefin Ahammed, Col Mohammad Nakibur Rahman, Col Kazi Moazzem Hossain, Col Md Shawkat Imam, Col Mohammad Emdadul Islam, Col Md Aftabul Islam, Lt Col Enshad Ibn Amin, Lt Col Shamsul Azam, Lt Col Md Badrul Huda, Lt Col Md Saiful Islam, Lt Col Md Lutfar Rahman, Lt Col Mohammad Sajjadur Rahman, Lt Col Kazi Rabi Rahman, Lt Col Lutfar Rahman Khan, Maj Md Makbul Hossain, Maj Md Abdus Salam Khan, Maj Hossain Sohel Shahnewaj, Maj Kazi Mosaddek Hossain, Major Md Saleh, Maj Mahmud Hasan, Maj Mustak Mahmud, Maj Mahmudul Hasan, Maj Humayun Haider, Maj Md Azharul Islam, Maj Md Humayun Kabir Sarkar, Maj Md Khalid Hossain, Maj Mohammad Maksum-ul-Hakim, Maj Syed Md Idris Iqbal, Maj Md Rafiqul Islam, Maj Muhammad Mosharaf Hossain, Maj Mohammad Mominul Islam Sarkar, Maj Mostafa Asaduzzaman and Maj S M Mamunur Rahman.

With the relatives of the slain officers, President Zillur Rahman, council of ministers, chiefs of three services, lawmakers, a number of political leaders, a large number of military officials and civilians attended the janaza.

Earlier on Friday, the namaz-e-janaza of seven BDR officers killed in the same incident was held at the Army Central Mosque in the Dhaka Cantonment.

The deceased officers were Brig Gen MA Bari, Col Mujibul Haque, Col Anisuzzaman, Col Zahid, Lt Col Abu Musa Mohammad Kaiser, Lt Col Enayet and Maj Mizan.

The Daily Star - Details News
 
The killing was over by 11 pm was from one of the survivors,Lt.Col.Shams,who said killing might be over by 11pm.

I highly doubt after that most killers got away,as the walls inside are as low as 4 to 5 feet.Then some got away at night.

About the numbers,Indian media has a part here too.They were claiming there were more than 10000 troop,instead there were 3000 and many fled with their families in the early hours.So that leaves around 500+ who took up arms and among them,a group of 100 or more committed the killing.

Indian news was fed by RAW. That further implicate Indian role behind this massacre. And why PM and her office giving same info as India? Was she under the spell of India as many feared??

These are the answers people of Bangladesh are and will be looking.
 
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Investigation committee by home minister Sahara Khatun is A SHAM design to score political point on opponents and derail the real investigation. Besides she does not have any intel gathering capability.

This investigation should be conducted by a neutral person. Like army suggested led by a judge and assisted by intelligence agencies.
 
Local people said 69 BSF Battalion of Amulia camp resumed constructing a ring road to erect barbed wire fence 150 metre inside no-man's-land at Kamdevpur village under the camp on Saturday.
I am confused.The DS isn't so correct sometimes.what's No man's land?Can't understand is it inside Indian territory or what?
 
I am confused.The DS isn't so correct sometimes.what's No man's land?Can't understand is it inside Indian territory or what?

If it is "no man's land" then it is no one's territory.It is direct violation of International rule.
 

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