Made in India howitzer fails last phase of tests

[MastanKhan]

Either India is just never gonna have a functional defence industry or these tests are too damn hard.

Hi,

Yeah----these tests are too damn hard---

 

[Photon]

Why not Dik shit?

No that name we reserve for parts made in China.

Now the reason why the gun failed.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/fake...bi-complaint-1727779?pfrom=home-lateststories


Fake Chinese Spares For India-Made Bofors Guns, Alleges CBI Complaint

NEW DELHI:
HIGHLIGHTS


Chinese parts camouflaged as 'Made in Germany' ones allegedly found their way to the production line of Indian-made Bofors artillery guns called Dhanush used by the Army, prompting the CBI to file a case against a Delhi-based company.

Besides Sidh Sales Syndicate, the CBI also registered a case against unidentified officials of the Guns Carriage Factory (GCF), Jabalpur, under criminal conspiracy, cheating and forgery for supplying fake and cheap China-made spares passing off as Made in Germany for Dhanush guns, the FIR alleged.


Dhanush is the indigenised version of the Bofors artillery guns which performed exceedingly well during the Kargil conflict in 1999.

The CBI alleged that the supplier entered into criminal conspiracy with the unidentified GCF officials to supply duplicate spare parts (bearings) used in the manufacture of Dhanush guns.

"In furtherance of the said criminal conspiracy, unknown officials of GCF accepted the Chinese manufactured 'Wire Race Roller Bearings' supplied by Sidh Sales Syndicate which were embossed as 'CRB-Made in Germany'," the CBI said in the FIR.

The agency said production and performance of the Dhanush gun is extremely crucial for India's defence preparedness and "wire race roller bearing" is its vital component.


A tender was floated for the procurement of four such bearings according to the Rothe Erde drawing for 155 mm gun in which four firms had participated. The order was given to Sidh Sales Syndicate at the value of Rs. 35.38 lakh in 2013, the FIR stated.

The order was further increased to six bearings at the cost of Rs. 53.07 lakh on August 27, 2014.

The company supplied two bearings each on three occasions between April 7, 2014 and August 12, 2014. It submitted 'certificates in origin' showing the bearings were procured from CRB Antriebstechnik, Germany.


They were also embossed with the label, CRB-Made in Germany.

GCF tests showed that the bearings were unacceptable due to deviations in dimensions.

The company provided clarifications and assured that in case of non-performance of the bearing due to manufacturing defects, they would replace the bearing free of cost and take corrective action for future supply.

"Consequently the bearings were accepted as a special case by unknown officials of GCF Jabalpur," the CBI alleged.

Information received by the CBI shows that the German company does not manufacture these parts.

It showed that Sidh Sales Syndicate got the six bearings manufactured by Sino United Industries (Luyang) Ltd Henan, China.

The agency also seized several emails which were exchanged between China and Sidh Sales Syndicate. The letter from Germany shown by the company was also on forged letterhead, CBI alleged.

The certificate of origin from Germany was also forged.

"The said forged letter and certificate were accepted by unidentified officials of GCF with ulterior motive and by abusing their official positions as such without ascertaining the genuineness of the said letter and certiciates and cause undue advantage to Sidh Sales Syndicate and corresponding loss to the Government of India," the investigating agency said in the FIR.

 

[Mumm-Ra]

I thought Bofors is a proven platform...

Local production of even a proven system is bound to hit snags if quality is compromised or the manpower is not skilled enough.

 

[Sully3]

"Make in India"

 

[Han Patriot]

No that name we reserve for parts made in China.

Now the reason why the gun failed.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/fake...bi-complaint-1727779?pfrom=home-lateststories


Fake Chinese Spares For India-Made Bofors Guns, Alleges CBI Complaint

NEW DELHI:
HIGHLIGHTS


Chinese parts camouflaged as 'Made in Germany' ones allegedly found their way to the production line of Indian-made Bofors artillery guns called Dhanush used by the Army, prompting the CBI to file a case against a Delhi-based company.

Besides Sidh Sales Syndicate, the CBI also registered a case against unidentified officials of the Guns Carriage Factory (GCF), Jabalpur, under criminal conspiracy, cheating and forgery for supplying fake and cheap China-made spares passing off as Made in Germany for Dhanush guns, the FIR alleged.


Dhanush is the indigenised version of the Bofors artillery guns which performed exceedingly well during the Kargil conflict in 1999.

The CBI alleged that the supplier entered into criminal conspiracy with the unidentified GCF officials to supply duplicate spare parts (bearings) used in the manufacture of Dhanush guns.

"In furtherance of the said criminal conspiracy, unknown officials of GCF accepted the Chinese manufactured 'Wire Race Roller Bearings' supplied by Sidh Sales Syndicate which were embossed as 'CRB-Made in Germany'," the CBI said in the FIR.

The agency said production and performance of the Dhanush gun is extremely crucial for India's defence preparedness and "wire race roller bearing" is its vital component.


A tender was floated for the procurement of four such bearings according to the Rothe Erde drawing for 155 mm gun in which four firms had participated. The order was given to Sidh Sales Syndicate at the value of Rs. 35.38 lakh in 2013, the FIR stated.

The order was further increased to six bearings at the cost of Rs. 53.07 lakh on August 27, 2014.

The company supplied two bearings each on three occasions between April 7, 2014 and August 12, 2014. It submitted 'certificates in origin' showing the bearings were procured from CRB Antriebstechnik, Germany.


They were also embossed with the label, CRB-Made in Germany.

GCF tests showed that the bearings were unacceptable due to deviations in dimensions.

The company provided clarifications and assured that in case of non-performance of the bearing due to manufacturing defects, they would replace the bearing free of cost and take corrective action for future supply.

"Consequently the bearings were accepted as a special case by unknown officials of GCF Jabalpur," the CBI alleged.

Information received by the CBI shows that the German company does not manufacture these parts.

It showed that Sidh Sales Syndicate got the six bearings manufactured by Sino United Industries (Luyang) Ltd Henan, China.

The agency also seized several emails which were exchanged between China and Sidh Sales Syndicate. The letter from Germany shown by the company was also on forged letterhead, CBI alleged.

The certificate of origin from Germany was also forged.

"The said forged letter and certificate were accepted by unidentified officials of GCF with ulterior motive and by abusing their official positions as such without ascertaining the genuineness of the said letter and certiciates and cause undue advantage to Sidh Sales Syndicate and corresponding loss to the Government of India," the investigating agency said in the FIR.

Bro this is supposed to be an 'indigenized' gun, you don't find it worrying you are using Chinese imports? Blame it on the Chinese as usual, funny how we had been selling howitzers for as long as I can remember. Why do you call it indigenous when there are German parts?

 

[Arsalan 345]

people who try will get success someday.india can make everything.it just needs good facilities and good engineers who can serve their country.

 

[Laozi]

"Make in India"

When you stop laughing think for a second.

Chinese parts labeled as " Made in Germany " could be lethal for defence equipment.

And you are going to depend solely on Chinese equipment for your every National Security need in future.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Clearly shows, you have no idea how difficult these tests are, these are self propelled artillery and not toy guns.

These are towed guns with limited mobility .. pulled by a small engine.. its an indian copy of bofors.. which were sold under tot..

When you stop laughing think for a second.

Chinese parts labeled as " Made in Germany " could be lethal for defence equipment.

And you are going to depend solely on Chinese equipment for your every National Security need in future.

When you buy cheap shyt.. dont expect it to work like expensive product.

You can either buy a Lenovo or a E-phone.

 

[Sully3]

When you stop laughing think for a second.

Chinese parts labeled as " Made in Germany " could be lethal for defence equipment.

And you are going to depend solely on Chinese equipment for your every National Security need in future.

stick to the topic, stop trying to troll and derail the thread.

back to topic, doesn't look too good for your army when its doing corruption buying your biggest enemies weapons as telling everyone they are German.

 

[jetray]

When you buy cheap shyt.. dont expect it to work like expensive product.

You can either buy a Lenovo or a E-phone.

roller bearings were contracted out instead of getting manufactured in house. These kind of tests are the ones which will pick out these substandard components.

Even countries having strict quality controls have these kind of problems due to unscrupulous suppliers.
US Air Force using counterfeit Chinese parts
https://www.rt.com/news/us-air-force-counterfeit-electronics-879/

Bro this is supposed to be an 'indigenized' gun, you don't find it worrying you are using Chinese imports? Blame it on the Chinese as usual, funny how we had been selling howitzers for as long as I can remember. Why do you call it indigenous when there are German parts?

bcos it does not make economic sense to have a factory for 10 or 20 roller bearings.

 

[turbofan7a]

These are towed guns with limited mobility .. pulled by a small engine.. its an indian copy of bofors.. which were sold under tot..

.

If it was so easy why pakistan has not made one and has succeeded in it.

 

[Han Patriot]

roller bearings were contracted out instead of getting manufactured in house. These kind of tests are the ones which will pick out these substandard components.

Even countries having strict quality controls have these kind of problems due to unscrupulous suppliers.
US Air Force using counterfeit Chinese parts
https://www.rt.com/news/us-air-force-counterfeit-electronics-879/


bcos it does not make economic sense to have a factory for 10 or 20 roller bearings.

Roller bearing are manufactured by bearing manufacturers, nobody does it in house. The fact that you need to import it from either Germany or China shows an extreme lack of industrial capability. Roller bearings are the most basic component of any industrial machine. If you had been testing it and having a proper qa/qc procedure, then why are you not able to detect the flaws? Btw, Germany even import some of our bearings for lower end applications.

http://www.bearing-news.com/chinese-exports-bearings-for-1-8-billion-in-the-first-half-of-2012/

The major markets for Chinese bearings in 2012, continued to be the U.S., India and Germany. In the first half of exports to these countries is:

a) U.S. – $ 290 million (13.5% more than in the first half of 2011);

b) India – $ 149 million (up 9.5%);

c) Germany – $ 123 million (4.3% more than last year).

China manufactures some of the most sophisticated bearings to low quality disposable bearings. Are you sure your suppliers didn't use those to make a profit? You get what you pay for.

 

[帅的一匹]

Not again. I think we shall have sub forum called 'Failed Indian weapon test'.
Stupid while aggressive means suicide.

Roller bearing are manufactured by bearing manufacturers, nobody does it in house. The fact that you need to import it from either Germany or China shows an extreme lack of industrial capability. Roller bearings are the most basic component of any industrial machine. If you had been testing it and having a proper qa/qc procedure, then why are you not able to detect the flaws? Btw, Germany even import some of our bearings for lower end applications.

http://www.bearing-news.com/chinese-exports-bearings-for-1-8-billion-in-the-first-half-of-2012/

The major markets for Chinese bearings in 2012, continued to be the U.S., India and Germany. In the first half of exports to these countries is:

a) U.S. – $ 290 million (13.5% more than in the first half of 2011);

b) India – $ 149 million (up 9.5%);

c) Germany – $ 123 million (4.3% more than last year).

China manufactures some of the most sophisticated bearings to low quality disposable bearings. Are you sure your suppliers didn't use those to make a profit? You get what you pay for.

Tell me what India can produce?

They try to spend 8 billions USD to induct Revenge C UAV from USA, in the same amount you can buy 100 units of Su35. Just because they failed miserably in its domestic UAV test, so they get crazy.

What's difficult to produce a Howitzers? Not at all!

The only reason why USA and Russia loves India is because:
1. Barat hates China
2. Plain stupid and produce nothing

The shame of Asia.

In India's concept, muzzle brake is to brake down the shell, so they make the shell hit it every time.

It's really disturbing to have a neighbor who's population have average IQ below 85.

 

[SingaporeGuy]

Chamber explosion coming soon.

Even in singapore we have FH2000 25 years ago.

 

[帅的一匹]

If someone can't just copy a thing, means there is serious problem with his IQ.

Chamber explosion coming soon.

Even in singapore we have FH2000 20 years ago.

That's why they are empty vessel.