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S400 seems to be really potent missile system with great range and accuracy. Pakistan will need to acquire similar/same missile system to get even with its rival in terms of air defence . However all anti missile defence systems have let's say efficiency or probability, which is not 100 percent and different counter measures can also be included into the missile design that enable it to penetrate the enemy defences.
 
The Israelis routinely jam & render Arab anti Air defense missiles of Russian origin useless. In Syria especially which uses the Buk missiles systems, the Israeli Jets have jammed them and successfully operated in Syrian airspace. Pakistan should be able to develop tactics to neutralize the S-400 and current Indian air defenses, the same way it has perfected tactics against BVR missiles in the 1990s. Investments in ECM and other electronic warfare technologies are a must for Pakistan.

Maybe Bilal Khan and other senior members can extrapolate possible corrective steps against S-400 and other Indian missiles systems.
 
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The Israelis routinely jam & render Arab anti Air defense missiles of Russian origin useless. In Syria especially which uses the Buk missiles systems, the Israeli Jets have jammed them and successfully operated in Syrian airspace. Pakistan should be able to develop tactics to neutralize the S-400 and current Indian air defenses, the same way it has perfected tactics against BVR missiles in the 1990s. Investments in ECM and other electronic warfare technologies are a must for Pakistan.

Maybe Bilal Khan and other senior members can extrapolate possible corrective steps against S-400 and other Indian missiles systems.
Definately they can,but first they need to achieve air superiority over indian airspace.
 
Definately they can,but first they need to achieve air superiority over indian airspace.

Correct. The PAF needs to augment the JF-17s and F-16s with serious 4.5 generation fighter jets and also invest in credible air defense systems. This coupled with India's low serviceability of aircrafts might help maintain PAF's historic superiority over the IAF. But ongoing massive modernizations by IAF & IN will certainly cause headaches to PAF planners. As it stands today, PAF is expected to take on two distinct air forces (IAF & IN) while at the same time providing support to the ill equipped PN & the PA. This is a massive undertaking and if current trends continue, the war might be lost before it even starts.
 
Correct. The PAF needs to augment the JF-17s and F-16s with serious 4.5 generation fighter jets and also invest in credible air defense systems. This coupled with India's low serviceability of aircrafts might help maintain PAF's historic superiority over the IAF. But ongoing massive modernizations by IAF & IN will certainly cause headaches to PAF planners. As it stands today, PAF is expected to take on two distinct air forces (IAF & IN) while at the same time providing support to the ill equipped PN & the PA. This is a massive undertaking and if current trends continue, the war might be lost before it even starts.
Regarding the low servicibility of IAF as you claim.What is the serviceability rate of PAF aircraft.
Backup with source or link if any.
 
Regarding the low servicibility of IAF as you claim.What is the serviceability rate of PAF aircraft.
Backup with source or link if any.

According to official PAF open sources, the serviceability rates are around 85% compared to around high 40s to low 50s serviceability rate of IAF. The Pakistan Air Force has much better pilot to plane ratio compared to the IAF which translates into high sortie rates vs the IAF. This has definitely been true in past conflicts and will likely be true for any future conflict as well. This helps the numerically smaller PAF offset comfortably the larger IAF.

http://www.paf.gov.pk/history.html
 
According to official PAF open sources, the serviceability rates are around 85% compared to around high 40s to low 50s serviceability rate of IAF. The Pakistan Air Force has much better pilot to plane ratio compared to the IAF which translates into high sortie rates vs the IAF. This has definitely been true in past conflicts and will likely be true for any future conflict as well. This helps the numerically smaller PAF offset comfortably the larger IAF.

http://www.paf.gov.pk/history.html

First of all, the PAF propaganda link you provided doesn't even mention better pilots to plane ratio or serviceability rates of IAF OR EVEN PAF.

It just says "All branches of PAF are delivering unprecedented serviceability rates and efficient management of all resources."

From where do you get the idea that PAF has traditionally enjoyed Air superiority over IAF? Apart from 1965 war, IAF had the upper hand by most NEUTRAL sources. The word neutral is the key here. :)

No air force in the world announce their serviceability rates. All the air forces including USAF try to maintain serviceability of minimum 65% which means at any given time at least 2/3rd of their aeroplanes are ready to take off at momentary notice.

Current serviceability rates of IAF are presumed to be around 60 percent which is 5% less than the threshold. Apparently, with a new agreement with Russians and with new facility to produce parts in India, it is only meant to go up.
 
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Analysis: Will India’s S-400 missiles checkmate Pakistan?
By Naveed Ahmad
Published: April 29, 2016


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PHOTO: HindustanTimes

The S-400, a Russian integrated air defense system, is the forthcoming state-of-the-art augmentation of the Indian military arsenal. Last December, India’s premier Narendra Modi and Russian president Vladimir Putin finalised the milestone deal. Dialogue on modalities led India to revise its need from 12 battalions or units to five at an undisclosed cost running into billions of dollars. So far, there is no confirmation as to when the deliveries will begin.

The S-400 uses four different missiles along with a multilayered radar tracking umbrella to cover its entire performance envelope. When deployed along the border with Pakistan, the system will provide India with 600kms radar coverage and the option of shooting down a hostile aircraft or missile 400kms to 40kms outside its territory.

Each S-400 battalion is equipped with eight launchers, a control center, radar and 16 missiles for additional use. The projectiles travel towards the target at blistering speed of 17,000kms an hour.

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India is set to become the second recipient after China in 2014. Kremlin is retiring the S-300 and S-400 to replace them with a more lethal S-500 missile system.

Moscow has recently armed Tehran with an earlier version of a similar integrated air defense system called S-300PMU-2 Favorite. The Persians too have ordered five systems. Saudi Arabia was denied the sale after delivery to Tehran was hindered by UN sanctions.

The S-400 Triumph missile defense system is a significant strategic upgrade in India’s military hardware in its pursuit to become a global power. With little domestic debate and no real threat, Delhi has been arming itself to match the Chinese military might. Though, Russian cooperation with China is at a far advanced level, India’s efforts have borne fruit too. Besides deal for nuclear powered-submarines, both are engaged in joint production of fifth generation T-50 (or PAK-FA) fighter jet, a projected counter weight to US F-22 Raptor.

Over the last decade, India has checkmated Pakistan on the US front. Not only has Islamabad faced various pronounced sanctions but also severe political opposition in Washington over transfer of any sophisticated arms including the F-16s falcons.

While India buys S-400s, its option to acquire upgraded US Patriot systems remains open too. Delhi’s hawkish arms shopping spree includes hyper-sonic missiles or glide vehicles, stealth bombers et al.

Washington will continue to play a fundamental role in fuelling the arms race as part of its ‘Pivot to Asia’ policy, which envisaged China as the next global adversary. Being Beijing’s strategic partner, Islamabad fell out of favour with Washington. Pakistan’s policy makers did not do enough to control the damage, practically giving India a walkover. The odds stacked against the delivery of eight F-16 fighter jets symbolise the current state of Pakistan’s diplomacy in the US.

While China may not fret over the S-400 system deal, it will have significant implications for Pakistan’s Air Force and missile programme both. Highly advanced stealth aircrafts or faster low observable ones or stealth cruise missiles can only dodge the integrated defense system. In the wake of an all out war, Pakistan can outnumber the Indian defense system by launching too many missile and fighter jet attacks, making it near impossible for the S-400s or Akash missiles to deny zero penetration in Indian airspace. Such an attack will come at a heavy price militarily and otherwise, with limited success. If the economy was performing as per potential, Pakistan could follow China’s suit and develop hypersonic multistage missiles.

While the hypothetical scenario goes to show the soaring cost of war for Pakistan on the eastern front, preparedness for any aggression from the Indian side also requires significant increase in defense spending.

More than the technological gulf, Islamabad’s biggest challenge for the next fiscal year will be poor economic policies and repayment of expensive IMF loans. Over the last decade, Pakistan has achieved little success in impressing upon unprecedented militarisation by India, upsetting the balance of power. Over the years, Islamabad’s diplomacy has been failing her successively as the foreign ministry has not only lacked vision but is also damningly slow in reacting to Delhi’s moves. Until Pakistan-India comprehensive dialogue bears fruit, the defense spending may not lessen for the long haul. Over the last decade, the situation has only gone from bad to worse.

Naveed Ahmad
is a Pakistani investigative journalist and academic with extensive reporting experience in the Middle East and North Africa. He is based in Doha and Istanbul. He tweets @naveed360
China will get this platform , before India. So, PAF will find the solution to beat this system.
 
S400 is for china specific areas ! i think !!!

if you seriously think about it in that case, S-400 will handle military and other sensitive installations only. Which already are heavily protected with other radars and security measures which go beyond a new missile system.

Most probably bullcrap news.
 
First of all, the PAF propaganda link you provided doesn't even mention better pilots to plane ratio or serviceability rates of IAF OR EVEN PAF.

It just says "All branches of PAF are delivering unprecedented serviceability rates and efficient management of all resources."

From where do you get the idea that PAF has traditionally enjoyed Air superiority over IAF? Apart from 1965 war, IAF had the upper hand by most NEUTRAL sources. The word neutral is the key here. :)

No air force in the world announce their serviceability rates. All the air forces including USAF try to maintain serviceability of minimum 65% which means at any given time at least 2/3rd of their aeroplanes are ready to take off at momentary notice.

Current serviceability rates of IAF are presumed to be around 60 percent which is 5% less than the threshold. Apparently, with a new agreement with Russians and with new facility to produce parts in India, it is only meant to go up.

Well it's clear you are much more interested in Bollywood fantasies rather than the truth. The official PAF website can hardly be called "propaganda" as you conveniently labeled. It just shows your deep hostility to the PAF & considering your nationality, it's expected.


The link I posted clearly says 85%, posting the sentence and leaving out this crucial part shows dishonesty.

The accepted serviceability rate is 75% rate. The IAF SU-30 fleet has about 50-55% serviceability rate. I believe they have some of the highest serviceability rates in the IAF. You can provide sources if you like. http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Fro...oles-in-Indias-skies/articleshow/50240609.cms

Regarding the IAF & PAF dominance in 1971 war, the IAF was only able to achieve air superiority during the very last phases in Bangladesh sector and that too against only 14 PAF jets. If you can provide credible neutral links that show the IAF achieved air superiority over the PAF, I will gladly concede.
 
Well it's clear you are much more interested in Bollywood fantasies rather than the truth. The official PAF website can hardly be called "propaganda" as you conveniently labeled. It just shows your deep hostility to the PAF & considering your nationality, it's expected.


The link I posted clearly says 85%, posting the sentence and leaving out this crucial part shows dishonesty.

The accepted serviceability rate is 75% rate. The IAF SU-30 fleet has about 50-55% serviceability rate. I believe they have some of the highest serviceability rates in the IAF. You can provide sources if you like. http://m.timesofindia.com/india/Fro...oles-in-Indias-skies/articleshow/50240609.cms

Regarding the IAF & PAF dominance in 1971 war, the IAF was only able to achieve air superiority during the very last phases in Bangladesh sector and that too against only 14 PAF jets. If you can provide credible neutral links that show the IAF achieved air superiority over the PAF, I will gladly concede.

lol! It's propoganda? Are you saying that PAF is gonna admit that IAF is qualitatively and quantitatively superior? Also, show me USAF or RAF websites being very subjective and personal? and nationality? My nationality is British. I think you mean my ethnicity, which you wouldn't have been able to guess if you weren't of Indian or Pakistani origin yourself and guessed based from my username. :)

No it really doesn't say 85 anywhere on the whole page! The closest you get to number 85 is when they talk about F-86 Sabres. :/ Please read your own link.

I think we're done debating here. You clearly have no intention for a serious debate. :)

Have a nice day buddy.
 
According to official PAF open sources, the serviceability rates are around 85% compared to around high 40s to low 50s serviceability rate of IAF. The Pakistan Air Force has much better pilot to plane ratio compared to the IAF which translates into high sortie rates vs the IAF. This has definitely been true in past conflicts and will likely be true for any future conflict as well. This helps the numerically smaller PAF offset comfortably the larger IAF.

http://www.paf.gov.pk/history.html
It did not mention the servicibility rate of PAF.IAF may have some issue with Sukhois around 55% however will improve to 75%.
After retiring f-7 and mirage -3/5 PAF aircraft inventory is very poor some F-16 AND JF-17 cannot hold for long.
 
lol! It's propoganda? Are you saying that PAF is gonna admit that IAF is qualitatively and quantitatively superior? Also, show me USAF or RAF websites being very subjective and personal? and nationality? My nationality is British. I think you mean my ethnicity, which you wouldn't have been able to guess if you weren't of Indian or Pakistani origin yourself and guessed based from my username. :)

No it really doesn't say 85 anywhere on the whole page! The closest you get to number 85 is when they talk about F-86 Sabres. :/ Please read your own link.

I think we're done debating here. You clearly have no intention for a serious debate. :)

Have a nice day buddy.

I frankly could careless about your nationality or ethnicity. You can keep it to yourself.

Have a nice day, indeed.

It did not mention the servicibility rate of PAF.IAF may have some issue with Sukhois around 55% however will improve to 75%.
After retiring f-7 and mirage -3/5 PAF aircraft inventory is very poor some F-16 AND JF-17 cannot hold for long.

The F-16s & JF-17s are excellent fighters & will be credible defense over Pakistani airspace due to presence of air defense systems but PAF seriously needs to invest in a prove Western 4.5 generation fighter to restore the qualitative balance. This is no secret.
 
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