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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

Musings said:
Some random tweet from someone that’s been paid to troll on social media doesn’t make it a truth. Try again retardo
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On the day of the 7 of october massacre , they where 1400 butchered Isrealis laying on the fields as well as about the same numbers of hamas terroists.

It took days to recover and identify the bodies,

Rape test kits that the police uses in such cases where not relevant cause of the state of the bodies and the time past . ( maximun for such kits is 48 hours. )

But there was no need , enoguh pictures of woman half naked who where clearly raped , not going to go into details or post such images here and parade them like Hamas paraded dead bodies on pick up trucks . . .

Enough of them on line , go fish.


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Police start building Oct. 7 rape cases, focusing on footage and testimonies​


‘Not a traditional rape investigation’: Police say they have multiple witnesses, are focusing on gathering circumstantial evidence as physical proof gleaned from bodies is limited​


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have arrived since the start of the war with Hamas, October 13, 2023. (Nati Shohat/Flash90)

Israeli police investigators are currently building several sexual assault cases against Gazan terrorists who participated in the massacres in southern Israel on October 7, with the goal of eventually trying the perpetrators for rape and other crimes.
“We have multiple witnesses for several cases” of sexual abuse, said David Katz, who heads cyber crime at Lahav 433, the Israel Police’s criminal investigation division.
In addition to witness testimony, Katz and police spokespeople said Tuesday, the police have video evidence, testimony from terrorists, and photographs of victims’ bodies that all point toward sexual assault.

Speaking to journalists at the National Police Academy in Beit Shemesh, the officials confirmed Hebrew media reports that Lahav 433 is collecting evidence of Hamas atrocities in preparation for criminal prosecution.

The police would not disclose the number of witness testimonies or active sexual assault cases being investigated. Five weeks after Israel’s largest-ever mass casualty event, Katz said that the police still expect months more work before completing their investigation and shifting toward indictments.

The sexual violence investigation is part of a larger push by Lahav 433 to put together cases of murder, torture and other atrocities committed on October 7. Most details of the investigations are currently under a gag order.

The police confirmed a Times of Israel investigation that found physical evidence of sexual assault was broadly not collected from October 7 victims, amid the still ongoing need to identify bodies and complications posed by an active warzone.

Rape kits, which have a 48-hour window to be collected after an assault, were not prioritized. “In the first 48 hours, there was still an active combat zone” across much of southern Israel, Dean Elsdunne, a police spokesperson, said Tuesday.

“We did gather photographic evidence,” Elsdunne said, taken by forensic workers at the emergency morgue set up at the Shura military base, where the majority of the 1,200 killed on October 7 were taken for identification.

“We have detailed photos of the bodies of victims, and everything is being put together,” Elsdunne said.

Many bodies arriving at Shura were in such bad condition that collecting physical evidence of sexual assault, such as semen or DNA samples, was not possible.

Mirit Ben Mayor, who leads communications for the Israel Police, said that investigating the October 7 crimes “is not a traditional rape investigation.”

Much of the state’s case will rest on “circumstantial evidence,” she said, adding that “it’s enough to indict someone by that.”

Based on “the conditions of the bodies that came in, bodies in the field, by the stories people are telling, by the situation of the bodies that arrived for forensic checking at Shura,” Ben Mayor said, “we say that there was rape, that there was sexual harassment. There is no room for doubt about these events.”

Police Commissioner Kobi Shabtai similarly said that the police’s ongoing investigation has yielded “evidence indicating rape [and] amputation of organs,” including breasts.

“Many of the victims who survived the massacres are not ready to speak,” Shabtai said.

Ben Mayor said that she was not aware of October 7 rape survivors having made formal complaints to the police.

The Israel Police screened short clips Tuesday of footage gathered from Hamas bodycams, victim dashboard cameras, social media, and cell phones, showing partially clothed, dead women and charred remains of victims who had been bound before they were burned alive.

In one video, a woman is unclothed from the waist down, with her underpants hanging off one thigh. She is lying face down and is dead. In another, a mutilated dead woman has her dress hitched up to her waist, with no underpants.

The police, which arranged a closed-door screening for journalists, said that these videos indicated sexual assault.

“Many of the victims were in conditions too severe to identify, naked, and with clear signs of sexual assault,” read a caption accompanying a gruesome clip of several corpses, in various states of disrobement, stacked in outdoor piles.

The police also screened a segment of what they said was testimony from a survivor of Hamas’s attack on a large outdoor festival, where over 260 — mostly young adults — were killed.

Identified only as “Witness S.,” the survivor said she had seen terrorists gang-raping, mutilating and then murdering a young partygoer.

“He is here raping her,” S. was videotaped saying, “and then they pass her on to another person.” The terrorists were dressed in olive green uniforms, she added. The police showed video evidence that several Hamas terrorists had posed as Israel Defense Forces soldiers in order to get close to victims.

Confirming that the victim had still been alive during the rape, S. said that “she stood on her feet, she was bleeding from her back.”

Next, said S., one of the terrorists “slices her breast and throws it on the road, and they’re playing with it.”

“Afterwards,” S. continued, “someone really penetrates her and shoots her in the head before he finishes. It’s not like he ejaculates and picks up his pants… He shoots her in the head while he’s still inside of her,” she said.

Ben Mayor confirmed that police have identified the rape victim in this incident, now deceased.

The police declined to say how many rape cases are being looked into.

Police are working on developing “a case against every terrorist, every Hamas member” in custody, Katz said, for the broader set of atrocities committed on October 7.

Katz said that there are “a few hundred” October 7 terrorists in Israeli custody.



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LeGenD said:
Shah was a competent leader in my view. He settled Iranian tensions with the West, developed Iranian military capability, and created meaningful bilateral partnerships with a number of countries around the world. He respected and supported Pakistan as well. Iran was a force to be reckoned with in Shah's time. Iraq did not dare to touch Iran in his time.

But people are driven by emotions and can fail to understand what can be good for a country in the long term at times.
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That's because the west would like the Shah. So again, being backed by Nato isn't a very good trait from a pro-Islam, anti-western point of view. Of course if your point of view is pro-West I can see that.
 
Haldorss said:
The Germans are neoliberal 5th column Anglo-Saxon-groomed midwits. They are equivalent to college groupies who would watch anything be destroyed.
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Ironically, all Anglo-Saxon can find their roots to Germanic tribes. English is a Germanic language.

There is no strong Germanic identity connection between them, but there is an modern European identity - where Russia is the bad guy.
 
PakistaniandProud said:
Ironically, all Anglo-Saxon can find their roots to Germanic tribes. English is a Germanic language.
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It's not really true. Only the saxon area and a small anglo area could be considered that. However they've acted to destroy Germans so they can't be considered to be Europeans since they're always hostile to the continent.

Saxons in germany are obviously the degenerate, bad part of Germans.

I disagree English is germanic. They have totally different grammar structures and sound totally different. The people who say it's germanic want to control Germany and coopt it. And they only go by a few words that were lifted, so it means nothing.
 
Haldorss said:
That's because the west would like the Shah. So again, being backed by Nato isn't a very good trait from a pro-Islam, anti-western point of view. Of course if your point of view is pro-West I can see that.
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I am not pro-West for the sake of it but I attempt to understand how the world works and what can be a good survival strategy for a country given in its situation. Leadership of any country is responsible for meeting needs of its people and keep them satisfied. Shah understood this reality but some in Iran failed to understand him. West does not have a problem with Islam but those who challenge its interests. The international order works on the lines of interests. US have meaningful bilateral relationships with a number of Islamic countries as well. US have fought a war for Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to protect both when others were reluctant to. Who does this? Islamic countries are not on the same page. Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Iran are competing for power and influence in the Middle East. You might want to understand these motivations deep down. And you might not have much exposure to religio-political fanatics. It is not a pleasant experience. I know this better than some of you. There is a need for pragmatism and constructive education instead of fanning hatred.
 
sammuel said:
On the day of the 7 of october massacre , they where 1400 butchered Isrealis laying on the fields as well as about the same numbers of hamas terroists.

It took days to recover and identify the bodies,

Rape test kits that the police uses in such cases where not relevant cause of the state of the bodies and the time past . ( maximun for such kits is 48 hours. )

But there was no need , enoguh pictures of woman half naked who where clearly raped , not going to go into details or post such images here and parade them like Hamas paraded dead bodies on pick up trucks . . .

Enough of them on line , go fish.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1725515007989817640


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Police start building Oct. 7 rape cases, focusing on footage and testimonies​


‘Not a traditional rape investigation’: Police say they have multiple witnesses, are focusing on gathering circumstantial evidence as physical proof gleaned from bodies is limited​


F231013NS25-640x400.jpg


have arrived since the start of the war with Hamas, October 13, 2023. (Nati Shohat/Flash90)

Israeli police investigators are currently building several sexual assault cases against Gazan terrorists who participated in the massacres in southern Israel on October 7, with the goal of eventually trying the perpetrators for rape and other crimes.
“We have multiple witnesses for several cases” of sexual abuse, said David Katz, who heads cyber crime at Lahav 433, the Israel Police’s criminal investigation division.
In addition to witness testimony, Katz and police spokespeople said Tuesday, the police have video evidence, testimony from terrorists, and photographs of victims’ bodies that all point toward sexual assault.

Speaking to journalists at the National Police Academy in Beit Shemesh, the officials confirmed Hebrew media reports that Lahav 433 is collecting evidence of Hamas atrocities in preparation for criminal prosecution.

The police would not disclose the number of witness testimonies or active sexual assault cases being investigated. Five weeks after Israel’s largest-ever mass casualty event, Katz said that the police still expect months more work before completing their investigation and shifting toward indictments.

The sexual violence investigation is part of a larger push by Lahav 433 to put together cases of murder, torture and other atrocities committed on October 7. Most details of the investigations are currently under a gag order.

The police confirmed a Times of Israel investigation that found physical evidence of sexual assault was broadly not collected from October 7 victims, amid the still ongoing need to identify bodies and complications posed by an active warzone.

Rape kits, which have a 48-hour window to be collected after an assault, were not prioritized. “In the first 48 hours, there was still an active combat zone” across much of southern Israel, Dean Elsdunne, a police spokesperson, said Tuesday.

“We did gather photographic evidence,” Elsdunne said, taken by forensic workers at the emergency morgue set up at the Shura military base, where the majority of the 1,200 killed on October 7 were taken for identification.

“We have detailed photos of the bodies of victims, and everything is being put together,” Elsdunne said.

Many bodies arriving at Shura were in such bad condition that collecting physical evidence of sexual assault, such as semen or DNA samples, was not possible.

Mirit Ben Mayor, who leads communications for the Israel Police, said that investigating the October 7 crimes “is not a traditional rape investigation.”

Much of the state’s case will rest on “circumstantial evidence,” she said, adding that “it’s enough to indict someone by that.”

Based on “the conditions of the bodies that came in, bodies in the field, by the stories people are telling, by the situation of the bodies that arrived for forensic checking at Shura,” Ben Mayor said, “we say that there was rape, that there was sexual harassment. There is no room for doubt about these events.”

Police Commissioner Kobi Shabtai similarly said that the police’s ongoing investigation has yielded “evidence indicating rape [and] amputation of organs,” including breasts.

“Many of the victims who survived the massacres are not ready to speak,” Shabtai said.

Ben Mayor said that she was not aware of October 7 rape survivors having made formal complaints to the police.

The Israel Police screened short clips Tuesday of footage gathered from Hamas bodycams, victim dashboard cameras, social media, and cell phones, showing partially clothed, dead women and charred remains of victims who had been bound before they were burned alive.

In one video, a woman is unclothed from the waist down, with her underpants hanging off one thigh. She is lying face down and is dead. In another, a mutilated dead woman has her dress hitched up to her waist, with no underpants.

The police, which arranged a closed-door screening for journalists, said that these videos indicated sexual assault.

“Many of the victims were in conditions too severe to identify, naked, and with clear signs of sexual assault,” read a caption accompanying a gruesome clip of several corpses, in various states of disrobement, stacked in outdoor piles.

The police also screened a segment of what they said was testimony from a survivor of Hamas’s attack on a large outdoor festival, where over 260 — mostly young adults — were killed.

Identified only as “Witness S.,” the survivor said she had seen terrorists gang-raping, mutilating and then murdering a young partygoer.

“He is here raping her,” S. was videotaped saying, “and then they pass her on to another person.” The terrorists were dressed in olive green uniforms, she added. The police showed video evidence that several Hamas terrorists had posed as Israel Defense Forces soldiers in order to get close to victims.

Confirming that the victim had still been alive during the rape, S. said that “she stood on her feet, she was bleeding from her back.”

Next, said S., one of the terrorists “slices her breast and throws it on the road, and they’re playing with it.”

“Afterwards,” S. continued, “someone really penetrates her and shoots her in the head before he finishes. It’s not like he ejaculates and picks up his pants… He shoots her in the head while he’s still inside of her,” she said.

Ben Mayor confirmed that police have identified the rape victim in this incident, now deceased.

The police declined to say how many rape cases are being looked into.

Police are working on developing “a case against every terrorist, every Hamas member” in custody, Katz said, for the broader set of atrocities committed on October 7.

Katz said that there are “a few hundred” October 7 terrorists in Israeli custody.



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Why does everything have to start on October 7? What about the horrific things done to the Palestinians before that?
 
LeGenD said:
I am not pro-West for the sake of it but I attempt to understand how the world works and what can be a good survival strategy for a country given in its situation. Leadership of any country is responsible for meeting needs of its people and keep them satisfied. Shah understood this reality but some in Iran failed to understand him.
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The reason is why you aren't considering other factors, such as western puppets murdering and torturing their opponents, same happened with pinochet. Also, the west moves in and steals the wealth of the country (oil of iran). All this is behind the scenes and is not in the awareness of people who simply look at a puppet and see the fake paid crowds cheering their name as "success".

LeGenD said:
West does not have a problem with Islam but those who challenge its interests. The international order works on the lines of interests. US have meaningful bilateral relationships with a number of Islamic countries as well.
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They do. That's why they seek to secularise and alter islam, and attack all the conservatives in islamic states (i'm against strictness, but also pro-tradition such as no age of consent). Pakistan's fake age of consent is an Anglo-Saxon christian imposition. It's not native law or culture. They will also move in and redefine rape, etc. Stealing islamic oil is also one strategy. It's none of their business but they dictate to nonwhites in the ME about it.

LeGenD said:
US have fought a war for Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to protect both when others were reluctant to. Who does this? Islamic countries are not on the same page. Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Iran are competing for power and influence in the Middle East. You might want to understand these motivations deep down.
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Kuwait is a part of the Persian empire. It's an artificial state. As for the saudis you mistake them being protected wasn't out of friendship but to protect their oil market only and control the ME. Also someone said the west murdered a King faisal, so to ignore regicide.....not sure you realise where that puts you. do you ever here of a murdered Anglosaxon king initiated by muslims, then an Anglosaxon saying the muslims are our friends? That's how you sound.

Anglo-Saxon slave owners would attack others for harming their slaves, and defend the slave. It's nothing you should register.
 
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What happened at al-Shifa Hospital?​


Al Jazeera has gathered a number of voices from inside Gaza to piece together what happened this morning at the al-Shifa Hospital. Here are the main takeaways:
  • The emergency room supervisor Omar Zaqout has told Al Jazeera that the Israeli army ordered everyone at al-Shifa Hospital – including doctors, patients and displaced people – to evacuate the medical compound in one hour through the al-Wehda road.
  • The Israeli army has denied it ordered the evacuation, claiming instead that it responded to a request by the hospital’s director to let those wishing to leave to take a secure route out. It added that it notified medics in the hospital that they were ready to facilitate the transfer of patients.
  • The Israeli claims were refuted by Mohammed Zaqout, director of Gaza hospitals, who insisted patients were forced to leave at gunpoint. Munir al-Barsh, director-general of Gaza’s Health Ministry and Adnan al-Barsh, head of orthopaedics at the hospital, provided the same account.
  • Evacuees were ordered at 9am [7:00 GMT] to leave while waving a white handkerchief and walk in a single-file line, the health official said.
  • About 450 patients were evacuated, while about 120 patients were left behind with five doctors, including the director and a few nurses, because they were immobile, al-Barsh said.
  • Zaqout said that a list of critical patients has been handed to the Red Cross to be taken to Egypt for treatment, but that he is still awaiting updates on the issue.
  • Al-Barsh, the doctor, added that Israeli snipers are inside and around the hospital complex.
  • Ismail al-Thawabta, the director general of the government media office in Gaza, says a number of patients forced to evacuate al-Shifa Hospital were in such critical condition that they may not survive the journey to another medical facility.
  • Several accounts describe family members pushing rolling hospital beds and wheelchairs, others were walking on crunches as they try to make it further south.

Al-Shifa now ‘deserted’: Hospital director​


Speaking to Al Jazeera from Gaza’ largest hospital, Mohammed Abu Salmiya, says only him and few others, including staff and patients, were left at the hospital.
Here are his translated comments:
  • The hospital is completely deserted. Some of the remaining patients and victims are lying in the corridor.
  • The center of the hospital is surrounded by Israeli soldiers. They are in total control. Even we, the very few medical staff that remains, cannot move freely.
  • Many of those in critical conditions including newborns and kidney patients will die imminently if they are not evacuated.
  • Food at the hospitals is also running out.

Qatari diplomat condemns Israeli bombing of country’s humanitarian HQ in Gaza​


Sheikha Alya Ahmed bin Saif Al Thani, Qatar’s permanent representative to the UN, said that the Israeli army’s bombing of the headquarters of the Qatari Committee for the Reconstruction of Gaza will not deter Qatar from providing aid to Gaza.
“This crime constitutes a blatant violation of international law,” reads her statement at the informal meeting of the United Nations General Assembly in New York.
She also urged the immediate implementation of the UN Security Council resolution calling for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza.
Qatar has sent planes loaded with more than 358 tonnes of aid, including food, shelters, medical supplies and a field hospital, to the Egyptian city of al-Arish since the beginning of the war in Gaza.
Permanent Representative of the State of Qatar to the United Nations Alya Ahmed Saif Al Thani speaks during the 10th Emergency Special Session (resumed) 39th plenary meeting on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict at the United Nations headquarters in New York City on October 27
Permanent Representative of the State of Qatar to the United Nations Alya Ahmed bin Saif Al Thani [Andrea Renault/AFP]

‘Dozens of bodies’ on the road near Ahli Arab Hospital: Journalist​


Speaking to Al Jazeera, Jihad Abu Shanab has described “total destruction” in the area around the Ahli Arab Hospital, also known as the Baptist Hospital.
Here are his translated comments:
  • Buildings in the vicinity of the hospital have been levelled.
  • Dozens of dead bodies are scattered on the streets.
  • Many of the bodies have been mutilated beyond recognition.
  • People are trying to bury as many people as possible.
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LeGenD said:
I am not pro-West for the sake of it but I attempt to understand how the world works and what can be a good survival strategy for a country given in its situation. Leadership of any country is responsible for meeting needs of its people and keep them satisfied. Shah understood this reality but some in Iran failed to understand him. West does not have a problem with Islam but those who challenge its interests. The international order works on the lines of interests. US have meaningful bilateral relationships with a number of Islamic countries as well. US have fought a war for Saudi Arabia and Kuwait to protect both when others were reluctant to. Who does this? Islamic countries are not on the same page. Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Iran are competing for power and influence in the Middle East. You might want to understand these motivations deep down. And you might not have much exposure to religio-political fanatics. It is not a pleasant experience. I know this better than some of you. There is a need for pragmatism and constructive education instead of fanning hatred.
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Bro - here you go again. Look at the title - then look at your post. I don’t get it - this is a really informative thread about the current critical situation on Gaza and you’ve ended up in Iran giving us a thesis on the Shah…..
You know there is something wrong with your post when the only Zionist on the forum thanks your post……
 

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