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Good News for PN U-214 Deal is being Finalized

U214 is very good submarine but it will come in 64 moths after aggrement. It is long period of time.

thats if pakistan builds all three at home. HDW is trying to sell Greek Papanikolis to pakistan and if the deal is done by the end of this year then we will have a type-214 sailing in our waters.
 
thats if pakistan builds all three at home. HDW is trying to sell Greek Papanikolis to pakistan and if the deal is done by the end of this year then we will have a type-214 sailing in our waters.

and if this does happen it will be very good. not only because we will get one of them very soon but also because we can evaluate it and make some modifications in the latter if we feel so!!
i sincerely hope that you get it right and PN do go for papanikolis!!

regards
 
Sir sorry to say but PMl Q ? its self a questionable party IF you believe them then App ka bi ALLAH he HAfiz

PKL-Q being questionable is one thing however this does not negate the fact i just happen to mentioned above. has everyone forgotten when 10% means in Pakistan politics. I would also like to point your attention towards a recent case being raised in french court about the way french engineers were killed in Karachi. Clearly a few weeks ago there was huge noises being made against why the president house rejected the summary of the Uboats in favor of the french despite of everything being finalized with the germans.

Go through these threads if you havent already:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/28513-french-nationals-killed-karachi-over-kickback.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/31091-pakistan-s-future-submarine-programme-sailing-into-troubled-waters.html
 
thats if pakistan builds all three at home. HDW is trying to sell Greek Papanikolis to pakistan and if the deal is done by the end of this year then we will have a type-214 sailing in our waters.

Bro do u have some source to confirm this or just your guess?

Regards
 
PKL-Q being questionable is one thing however this does not negate the fact i just happen to mentioned above. has everyone forgotten when 10% means in Pakistan politics. I would also like to point your attention towards a recent case being raised in french court about the way french engineers were killed in Karachi. Clearly a few weeks ago there was huge noises being made against why the president house rejected the summary of the Uboats in favor of the french despite of everything being finalized with the germans.

Go through these threads if you havent already:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/28513-french-nationals-killed-karachi-over-kickback.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-forces/31091-pakistan-s-future-submarine-programme-sailing-into-troubled-waters.html

I have already gone through all threads So u believe in French that engineers were killed for kick back and Army let it happen and now French are again getting ready to send their engineers to be killed (with merlin Deal) ?
IF the german deal was rejected then why now they are finalizing it
, I will ask again if for any reason german deal does not go through what option we have ??????????You always keep u other option open huge noise for what president cant reject it he will not dare to do any thing its not 1990 or 1994 ( he cant even appoint a single judge) Navy cant afford it this time PMLQ is doing politics
 
Congrats brothers...

U-214 Papanikolas !!! For you :)


 
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I have already gone through all threads So u believe in French that engineers were killed for kick back and Army let it happen and now French are again getting ready to send their engineers to be killed (with merlin Deal) ?

IF the german deal was rejected then why now they are finalizing it
, I will ask again if for any reason german deal does not go through what option we have ??????????You always keep u other option open huge noise for what president cant reject it he will not dare to do any thing its not 1990 or 1994 ( he cant even appoint a single judge) Navy cant afford it this time PMLQ is doing politics

Lets hope you are correct man!. President has screwed us on numerous occasions however i agree with you that this isnt 90s anymore.
 
It is truly a awsome sub known all over the world i really can't wait for us to get our hands on it i just hope inshallah all goes well!
 
The Ministry of Defense Production said on Saturday it was not purchasing French submarines in place of those manufactured by Germany.Briefing Senate’s Standing Committee on Defence and Defence Production, Defence Production Secretary Israr Ghumman said an evaluation committee formed by the Naval Headquarters had recommended purchase of German submarines.

He told the meeting, presided over by Chairman Lt-Gen (retd) Javed Ashraf Qazi, that the government had not signed any agreement with French authorities as reported in the media. Senator Raja Zafarul Haq told that committee had been informed that several submarine-making companies came up with bids but on the basis of the cost and technology German submarines had been preferred by the Pakistan Navy.

He said the secretary denied the government was negotiating any deal to purchase French submarines. He said the committee was following the purchase of submarines and if anybody was found involved in receiving kickbacks he would be exposed to the media.

The committee sought continuity of safeguards for the Pakistan Ordnance Factories, Heavy Mechanical Industries and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex which were set up through an ordinance and validated through 17th Constitutional Amendment.

The committee observed that funding system of vital defence organisations needed to be reviewed to make them financially strong and administratively more effective. Minister for Defence Production Abdul Qayyum Khan Jatoi, Jan Mohammad Jamali, Maulana Mohammad Khan Sherani, Tahir Mashhadi and Hajid Adeel attended the meeting.
 
India will have to soon shell out well over Rs 2,000 Crore (US $ 409.25 Million)* more to French armament companies if it does not want its ongoing mammoth Rs 18,798 Crore (US $ 3.85 Billion)* project to construct 6 Scorpene submarines at Mazagon Docks Ltd (MDL) in Mumbai to come to a grinding halt.

The Scorpene project, under which the first submarine was to roll out by December 2012, with the others following one per year thereafter, is already running two years behind schedule, as was first reported by ToI.

"Our submarine force-levels need to increase...there is no doubt. We have lost a lot of time (in the Scorpene project),'' says Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta.

Admiral Mehta, who retires after 42 years of service on August 31, has reason to be worried. India's underwater combat arm will left with only 9 out of its present fleet of 16 diesel-electric submarines -- 10 Russian Kilo-class, four German HDW and two virtually obsolete Foxtrot -- by 2012.

The number will further dip to just 5 in 2014. This when Pakistan is now looking to induct three advanced Type 214 German submarines, equipped with AIP (air-independent propulsion) to enhance their operational capabilities, after inducting 3 French Agosta-90B submarines, with the last one PNS Hamza even having AIP.

China, on its part, has a staggering 62 submarines, with around 10 of them being nuclear-propelled, and at least one Xia-class and two Jin-class being SSBNs (nuclear submarines with long-range ballistic missiles).

Sources said the Defence Acquisitions Council, headed by defence minister A K Antony, this month decided to approach the Cabinet Committee on Security to grant approval to the cost escalation of the French `MDL procured material (MPM) packages' from around 400 million Euros to 700 million Euros now.

The negotiations for these MPM packages, which include virtually all major systems connected with sensors, propulsion and the like, apart from the combat systems, have been stuck on the price issue for well over a year now.

"The Scorpene submarine hulls are being fabricated in MDL but there are no systems to put inside them. The French say the earlier price of 400 million Euros for the MPM packages was quoted when the contracts were inked in October 2005 and prices have doubled since then,'' said a source.

The October 2005 contracts with French companies include the Rs 6,135 Crore (US $ 1.26 Billion)* one with M/S Armaris (DCN-Thales joint venture) for transfer of technology, combat systems and construction design, and Rs 1,062 Crore (US $ 217.31 Million)* with M/S MBDA for sea-skimming Exocet missiles.

A Rs 5,888 Crore (US $ 1.205 Billion)* contract was also signed with MDL for indigenous submarine construction, with another Rs 3,553 Crore (US $ 727 Million)* earmarked for taxes and Rs 2,160 Crore (US $ 442 Million)* towards other items to be acquired during the project.

Incidentally, as reported earlier, the Comptroller and Auditor General in its latest report has blasted the government for taking 9 years to finalise the Scorpene deal despite Navy's depleting underwater combat force-levels.

This delay led to increase in the project cost by Rs 2,838 Crore (US $ 580.72 Million)*. "Moreover, the contractual provisions resulted in undue financial advantage to the vendor of a minimum of Rs 349 Crore (US $ 71.41 Million)*, besides other unquantifiable benefits,'' said CAG

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Navy Chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta today said negotiations between India and Russia over price of aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov could be concluded within next two days.

"Price negotiations are on with the Russian team which is in India. The negotiations committee is discussing it with them. The time frame (for price fixation) is very short, hopefully day after," Mehta told reporters.

The ongoing negotiations are considered to be the last leg of the talks between the two countries on the cost of Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier - repair, refit and the final price of the warship, which is expected to be somewhere between $2.2 billion and $2.9 billion

India had bought Admiral Gorshkov in 2004 for $964 million and sent it for refit to the Sevmash Shipyard in Russia. That apart, India also bought 16 MiG29Ks to operate on the warship at a cost of $650 million.

Russia has thrice revised the price of the aircraft carrier, first demanding additional $1.5 billion in 2007, then revising it to $2.2 billion in 2008 and finally asking for $2.9 billion this February.

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russia and french are lotting indians hahahahahaha
 
Russia has been shortlisted for a $700 million contract to deliver two submarines to Indonesia, the Indonesian Navy commander said. "Of the four bidders for the submarines, Russia and South Korea have reached the final round, passing France and Germany," Admiral Tedjo Edhy Purdijatno said. Russia's bid is the Project 636 diesel-electric submarine (export agent Rosoboronexport) while South Korea's is the U-209 sub manufactured by Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering under German license.

"One of the principal conditions [of the contract] is, among other things, the transfer of technology," Purdijatno said. The successful bidder is expected to be named by the end of August. The Indonesian defense minister has said the submarines are to be delivered in 2011.

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The Russian navy plans to boost rearmament efforts by acquiring new classes of surface ships. The service is due to receive more than 40% of the defense budget this year, according to government officials, though most of the money will be spent on nuclear submarines.

At the International Maritime Defense Show (IMDS) here, June 24-28, navy commander Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky said the service is increasing the construction of new classes of warships. The first results of these efforts will be seen at the next IMDS in 2011.

Some signs of rearmament were on display at the show. In St. Petersburg harbor, the navy exhibited its first Stereguschiy-class corvette, which entered service in February 2008. Another ship on display was the new Project 11540 Yaroslav Mudry frigate that entered service on June 19. The 125-meter-long (410-ft.) ship has a full-load displacement of 4,000 tons, top speed of 30 kt., a 3,000-mi. range and endurance of 30 days.



The navy already operates one ship of the class, the Neustrashymy, that was acquired in 1993. Last winter it participated in an antipiracy mission in the Gulf of Aden. The keel of the Yaroslav Mudry was laid down in Kaliningrad in 1991, but three years later, when the ship was 75% finished, construction was suspended due to a lack of funds. Work resumed in 2002 on an upgraded version of the ship. Yakov Kushnir, chief designer of surface ships at the Zelenodolsk design bureau, told DTI that the frigate has more advanced electronic systems than the older Neustrashymy frigate, including satellite TV communication. The Yaroslav Mudry also was equipped with additional armament—two four-tube launchers for the Uran antiship missile system that uses Kh-35 missiles with a maximum range of 130 km. (80 mi.).

The Yaroslav Mudry is likely to be the last ship of the series. “We will not continue construction of this class,” says Vysotsky. Building ships based on older designs is not worth the money, since the Yaroslav Mudry will stay in service for only 10-15 years. The navy will instead rely on new types such as the Project 22350 frigates. The first such ship—Admiral Gorshkov—has been under construction at the northern shipyard in St. Petersburg since 2006. The service life of the new ships will be 25-45 years, says Vysotsky, who adds that the keel of another frigate will be laid this year.

Russian defense contractors showed a range of surface ships and submarine concepts at the show that they are offering to the navy and for export.

One model displayed by the Malakhit design bureau of St. Petersburg calls for a submarine with an air-independent propulsion (AIP) system—a first for the Russian defense industry. The 870-ton P-650E, the largest member of the Piranha family of small diesel-electric submarines, has a section with a fuel cell module (see diagram). It mixes oxygen from an inner tank and hydrogen from a tank outside the sub’s inner hull to generate electricity for propulsion. Malakhit designed and tested an AIP system in the 1990s, but work was suspended due to a lack of funding. The AIP system can reportedly provide half the vessel’s submerged endurance of 20 days at 4 kt.

The P-650, like other submarines in the family, is for littoral operations. Due to a high degree of automation, it needs only nine crewmen. The sub is armed with torpedoes and mines, and can launch Club antiship missiles through its torpedo tubes. It is also able to insert combat swimming teams.
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