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Pakistani-American, but what has that to do with this thread?



What trolling? I apologized for my mistake, that is all.

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Back to the topic, there is no doubt that the national curriculum needs revision, but the process to do so in a positive manner is lacking. So we soldier on with the old curricula for the time being.
Nothing... I was obvious outsider in the matter concerning Pakistani citizens which is why I had to ask ...
Since you are Pakistani- American you still have a say in the matter of Pakistan... Isn't it so ?
 
Nothing... I was obvious outsider in the matter concerning Pakistani citizens which is why I had to ask ...
Since you are Pakistani- American you still have a say in the matter of Pakistan... Isn't it so ?

I may think I have a say, but as an expat, my opinion is little more than dirt. If it is any consolation to me, dirt is still slightly more valuable than your opinion, given your flags. :D

Back to the topic, a national curriculum can only be revised if there is a national vision for the future so that people can decide how to best prepare the next generation. If the consensus is that Pakistan will be a theocracy, then that is the way the curricula will go. If the consensus is that the future needs separate religion and State, then the curriculum can be revised accordingly.

The point is that the curriculum can follow only if there is a meaningful consensus about where to take the future generation.

Just imagine that there is a paper of Islamic Studies and Pakistan studies (3 hours paper) in the 1st Professional MBBS (Part II) examination.:undecided::blink::crazy::o::p:D:lol::rofl:

http://www.uhs.edu.pk/downloads/datesheets/7815ds521.pdf

My year was the first time that was done is the dictator General Zia's time.
 
My year was the first time that was done is the dictator General Zia's time.
I went through the same experience. I remember that this paper was in between the Anatomy and Physiology papers so it was actually a relief. In your and my time, the 1st professional was held at the end of second year as opposed to Part I and Part II in the 1st year and 2nd year.

It was a huge relief to see that after Anatomy II paper (students of now can never imagine what the 1st Prof really was), I had to prepare the infamous 14 points of Quaid-e-Azam.:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:
 
I went through the same experience. I remember that this paper was in between the Anatomy and Physiology papers so it was actually a relief. In your and my time, the 1st professional was held at the end of second year as opposed to Part I and Part II in the 1st year and 2nd year.

It was a huge relief to see that after Anatomy II paper (students of now can never imagine what the 1st Prof really was), I had to prepare the infamous 14 points of Quaid-e-Azam.:yahoo::yahoo::yahoo:

Of course we know that passing that examination produces better Allah-fearing patriotic doctors. Otherwise, why have it?
 
Can you give one concrete example from a secular western nation which IMPOSES Christianity on its school students?
Take any private school where you will have poems from the bible and even the "anthem" of the school would be some prayer from the bible! Plenty of such schools....called elite schools
 
Back to the topic, a national curriculum can only be revised if there is a national vision for the future so that people can decide how to best prepare the next generation. If the consensus is that Pakistan will be a theocracy, then that is the way the curricula will go. If the consensus is that the future needs separate religion and State, then the curriculum can be revised accordingly.
Yes, there is no need of revision. People don't feel the need of a real curriculum. They are happy with this utopia.
 
That is not correct. Western education in most countries has been made thoroughly secular and almost all religious references have been expunged.
You do contradict yourself when in western education you dont include private schools:

A convent is a private institution. A person has the CHOICE of not attending a convent. Public schools, on the other hand, are the default option for the poor and middle class. You are comparing chalk and cheese/apples and oranges.
And as you can see my posts are all giving mention to private schooling...
And you think by default every minority in Pakistan is poor and middle class? Shows how much you know on the subject you bounced in to save :tsk:

I am not comparing chalk and cheese but abstract way of putting something for those who wish to think to actually ponder about it!

What is hateful is referring to Jews, Hindus, Christians, Indians etc. in a derogatory manner and distorting history as Pakistani textbooks do.
Show me where it is distorting history...Not everyone learns indian version of history!

Distorting history is ignoring the killing of American Indians and attributing their death to some disease...But we hear silence about it....not even the average indian dares to voice it out but put Pakistan on and every tom dick and harry is ready to bash

Calm down, take deep breaths and a glass of water. :P
I am very calm in fact was in the field looking after my plants...

My only argument with yous is Islam is not Christianity. If they impose it Islam does not teach me to impose Islam's teachings on non believers. Simple as that. "Deen may sakhti nahi" is not for us believers to find excuses, it is there for some reason.
Ok that I do agree with!

I find it highly unjustified that out of class of 40 one guy is made to read religious scriptures of other 39. And I am not interested in West and other religions they can do whatever they want. Non Muslim students in Pakistan should have the liberty to choose any other subject instead of Islamic studies.
Ok for this I can agree...Though I find nothing wrong with people teaching a religion (not enforcing it) because secular ideas are also ideas from someone where as religious ideas are claimed to be from GOD.....ideas are ideas you teach one or the other AS LONG AS they dont harm nor mistreat/ disrespect the other people....Just my thoughts no one has to agree :enjoy:
 
I may think I have a say, but as an expat, my opinion is little more than dirt. If it is any consolation to me, dirt is still slightly more valuable than your opinion, given your flags. :D

Back to the topic, a national curriculum can only be revised if there is a national vision for the future so that people can decide how to best prepare the next generation. If the consensus is that Pakistan will be a theocracy, then that is the way the curricula will go. If the consensus is that the future needs separate religion and State, then the curriculum can be revised accordingly.

The point is that the curriculum can follow only if there is a meaningful consensus about where to take the future generation.



My year was the first time that was done is the dictator General Zia's time.
Oh.. How come a citizen of sworn enemy can be well wishers of Pakistan.... Haha....
Rest of your post reflects to ambiguity (despite failure of earlier discourse) at political n society level of Pakistan which seems to be main roadblock for opting other rationale alternative....
 
Yes, there is no need of revision. People don't feel the need of a real curriculum. They are happy with this utopia.

The present curriculum is real enough and it works to serve what the national direction has been for quite a while. It can be revised, of course, but only after there is a national vision for the next generation.

Oh.. How come a citizen of sworn enemy can be well wishers of Pakistan.... Haha....
Rest of your post reflects to ambiguity (despite failure of earlier discourse) at political n society level of Pakistan which seems to be main roadblock for opting other rationale alternative....

But that is the point: One cannot conclude "despite failure of earlier discourse" that easily as it has achieved its goals too. The discussion should be more about what those goals were and are, and more importantly, will be for the rest of the 21st century.
 
the thread is on pakistan .. IF's and But's on why West da da da this and that are irrelevant
irrelevant how when the ifs and buts of the west are which are clouding some people's mind....the same ifs and buts which only seem to apply to Pakistan and not the same west which is raising the ifs and buts....

OK then lets keep it in Pakistan why are indians bouncing in...which class did they attend in Pakistan?
 
Pakistani muslims are actually conquered people who have an extreme case of Stockholm syndrome vis-a-vis the Arabs and other races.

You're talking about a nation which borrows most of it's revered heroes from either the Arab lands or Turkic lands while our own heroes are....forgotten. In terms of history Pakistan choses to be a headless chicken (or an ostrich) and therefore such ridiculous curriculum which would make a sane 7 year old laugh will continue to circulate.
 
Here is what 70% of student population in Pakistan study

Original Report at CRSS Pakistan


Pakistan’s public schools, which educate some 70 percent of the student population….
Prescribed textbooks for Classes 4 and 5, attended by children aged 8 to 10, are bursting with anti-Hindu and anti-Sikh themes. By Class 6, when students are typically 10 to 12 years old, anti-Christian, anti-British and anti-European indoctrination begins. Children are taught that the “Christians and Europeans were not happy to see the Muslims flourishing in life.”31 Anti-Jewish postulations are introduced in Class 7. In Classes 9-10, when students are typically 13 to 16 years old, the ‘importance of Jihad’ is cultivated.

Here are excerpts from textbooks:

Text No. 1
Class: 4
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 80-81
“Sikhs destroyed the Muslim towns from the river Sutlej to the river Jamna. A
number of times the Sikhs crossed the river Jamna and looted and destroyed the
settlements of the Muslims. They turned the mosques into their ‘Gurdawaras’,
demolished the shrines of the Muslim saints and burnt religious schools and
libraries.”
Authors: Dr Miss Ferozah Yasmeen, Dr Azhar Hamid, Mian Muhammad Javed
Akhtar, Nasir-ur-Din Ghaznavi, Muhammad Zubair Hashmi, Bashir-ud-Din Malik
and Qazi Ajjad Ahmed.

Text No. 2
Class: 5
Subject: Social Studies
Page: 123
“India is our traditional enemy and we should always keep ourselves ready to
defend out beloved country from Indian aggression.”

Authors: Dr Ferozah Yasmeen, Mrs Zarina Asharf, Bashir-ud-din Malik, Prof
Mirza Munawwar and Mian Mohammed Javed.

Text No. 3
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 100
“The foundation of Hindu set up was based on injustice and cruelty”
Scripted & Translated by: Prof. Mian Muhammed Aslam, Prof. Muhammed
Farooq Malik and Qazi Sajjad Ahmed.

Text No. 5
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 54-55
“The Hindus claim Harijans as their integrated part but deal with them in the
same manner as they behave with Muslims and other communities.”

Text No. 6
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 95
“Conquest of Debul: A furious battle was fought between the two forces…..The
Muslims changed the slogan of Allah-o-Akbar and Catapult was operated and
started throwing heavy stones…….The Hindus lost all hopes. The enemy was
defeated and the fort was conquered.”


Text No. 7
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Pages: 95
“The Hindus began to embrace Islam in great numbers due to the good and kind
treatment of Mulims.”

Text No. 8
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Page: 96
“An Arab soldier cut the neck of Raja Dahir with sword who was riding an
elephant in a Howdaha. The sun of life of Raja Dahir set forever from the
universe on 10th of Ramdan 93 H.”

Text No. 9
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Page: 99
“Before the Arab conquest the people were fed up with the teachings of
Buddhists and Hindus. The main cause was the benign treatment of Muslims
with the Hindus. Due to this attitude Hindus began to love Muslims and they
became nearer and nearer to the Muslims.”

Text No. 11
Class: 6
Subject: Social Studies
Page: 121
"The caste system of the Hindus had made life of common man as miserable and
as such they were fed up with this system.”


Text No. 13
Class: 7
Subject: Social Studies
Page: 12
“Before Islam, people lived in untold misery all over the world.”

Text No. 14
Class: 7
Subject: Social Studies
Page: 13
“Some Jewish tribes also lived in Arabia. They lent money to workers and
peasants on high rates of interest and usurped their earnings. They held the
whole society in their tight grip because of the ever increasing compound
interest.”


Text No. 14
Class: 7
Subject: Social Studies
Page: 13
“All the Christian countries united against the Muslims and sent large armies to
attack the holy city of Jerusalem. These wars are called crusades because the
Pope, a head of the Christians, called a council of war. In this meeting he
declared that Jesus Christ sanctioned war against Muslims.”


Text No. 15
Class: 7
Subject: Social Studies
Page: 28
“During the Crusades, the Christians came in contact with the Muslims and
learnt that the Muslim culture was far superior to their own.”

Text No. 16
Class: 7
Subject: Social Studies
Page: 43
“European nations have been working during the past three centuries, through
conspiracies on naked aggression to subjugate the countries of the Muslim
world.”

Text No. 17
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Page: 3
“The economic system of West was creating unsolvable problems and had failed
to do justice to the Muslim world.”
Comment: This text appears in the textbook being used in the current academic
year and was not part of the previous textbook.

Text No. 18
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Page: 6
“Islamic society was devoid of every kind of evil….”
Comment: This text appears in the textbook being used in the current academic
year and was not part of the previous textbook.

Text No. 19
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Page: 7
“One of the reasons of the downfall of the Muslims in the Sub-continent was the
lack of the spirit of Jihad.”

Text No. 20
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Page: 10
“In Islam Jihad is very important…..The person who offers his life never
dies…..All the prayers nurture one’s passion for Jihad.”


Text No. 21
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Page: 17
“Shah Wali Ullah (RA) was a mujadid of the 18th century….He knew that the
Sikhs, Marhattas were the enemies of Muslims.”


Text No. 22
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Page: 20
“……according to Islamic point of view there were only two nations on earth, one
the Muslims and the other the non-Muslim.”

Text No. 23
Class: 9-10
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Page: 53
“Education sector in East Pakistan was totally under the control of Hindus.
Under the guidance of India they fully poisoned the minds of Bangalis against
Pakistan and aroused their sentiments.”

Text No. 24
Class: 12
Subject: Pakistan Studies
Page: 4
“Great importance is given to Jihad (struggle) in Islam…….And to keep oneself
ready to sacrifice one’s life and property is jihad…..The basic purpose of all
submissions and jihad is to keep oneself a follower of the good will of Allah
Almighty.”

Here is what 70% of student population in Pakistan study | AA@Counter Terrorism, Imperialism, Extremism and Bigotry
No idea where you got it from...Interesting enough the link for the "original report" doesnt work it came back as "NOT FOUND"

However the link from the post suggests this: Just another WordPress.com weblog
 

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