Is ‘Make In India’ working? India to get leftovers as China challenges electronics manufacturing gia

[YogaMudra]

You forget to add China is the hare and India is the turtle. Self comforting words to make you feel better. Why won’t India compete with the US? It’s because US is a western country and India would always regard westerners as even superior to the Brahmins. While India regard China as a dalit country. A successful dalit will inspire uprising in Indian culture and the Brahmin will lose its slaves.

We are competing with the US in services. We are competing with the US In democracy, in freedom, in art and culture, in Movies, in spreading values, in global influence.

W.r.t a very narrow competition in Electronics, we will get there too.

Just 2 years back we were importing 99% of our smart phones. Now reports say that by 2020, 96% of mobile phones sold in India will be Made in India.

Sounds pretty good to me.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-made-locally-report/articleshow/59883293.cms

Meanwhile China becomes less competitive. So its pretty clear where the trend is ,

This is chinese Manufacturing PMI

This is Indian manufacturing PMI.

Or remain stagnant or worse nose dive?

LOL.... you wish.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Wouldn't you fall for such a deal?

And you are wrong, a lot of components are Indian. While they import the Engine, frame and things like headlamps from Korea directly. What's west tech?
All these earns revenue to India, directly and indirectly.

Why not...all third world countries want such deal. More than the revenue earned it is about employment and investment as well.

In many cases the land these companies gets is way below the intl' or local rates, due to competition between the states to get the investment, major tax reliefs and other benefits not possible in their own countries and cost arbitrage as well due to cost of labor differences.

I will post why these countries are shifting their car plants to third world countries in a while.




have written this on another thread...



Car sales in Germany are declining after 2009, due to strict environmental laws, people concern for the environment, and the govt. plan of only allowing electric cars after few years, Germany will be the first country in the world to ban gas and diesel run cars.

And add to this the excellent public transport system, a mix of ICE high speed rail, long haul buses, trains and mono, metro trains Germany is aiming for less cars and more pedestrian and car free zones.

There are many urban areas where cars are not allowed and are all pedestrianized zones...wishing to own a car has now become a third world country idea, people have started to hate cars in Europe...the reason car companies are shifting their production to these 3rd world regions, with very strict environment laws being enacted in developed countries.



http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/21/news/economy/germany-diesel-gas-cars-ban-angela-merkel/index.html

http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/...o-electric-cars-with-diesel-ban-in-the-future

https://www.statista.com/statistics/416827/passenger-car-sales-in-germany/


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indi...t-auto-market-now.550500/page-2#post-10359459

Just 2 years back we were importing 99% of our smart phones. Now reports say that by 2020, 96% of mobile phones sold in India will be Made in India.

That made in India is actually made in China...I will post some supporting stuff in a while.

India has no computer chip, integrated silicon chip industry, the major components are all imported, including the camera. Only 5-6% of the smart phone, the casing and some other crude low tech. things are done in India.

 

[YogaMudra]

That made in India is actually made in China...I will post some supporting stuff in a while.

India has no computer chip, integrated silicon chip industry, the major components are all imported. Only 10-12% of the smart phone, the casing and some other things are done in India.

And that 'made in china' is also made in taiwan.

India will move up the value chain in real time. That is good enough for me.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Just 2 years back we were importing 99% of our smart phones. Now reports say that by 2020, 96% of mobile phones sold in India will be Made in India.

While contract manufacturers such as iPhone-maker Foxconn Technology Co (2354.TW) and Flextronics Corp have set up base in India, one of the world’s fastest-growing smartphone markets, almost none of the higher value chip sets, cameras and other high-end components are made domestically.

Plans for Taiwan-based Foxconn to build an electronics plant in the state of Maharashtra, which local officials said in 2015 could employ some 50,000 people, have gone quiet.


According to tech research firm Counterpoint, while phones are assembled domestically because of taxes on imported phones, locally made content in those phones is usually restricted to headphones and chargers - about 5 percent of a device’s cost.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...facturing-ambition-hits-hurdles-idUSKCN1C70BH

And that 'made in china' is also made in taiwan.

India will move up the value chain in real time. That is good enough for me.

This could be true earlier...


China’s semiconductor industry, one that will make the core components of smartphones and PCs, is growing fast. If you said "hey wait, supplying semiconductors for consumer electronics sounds like more of a Taiwan thing," you'd be right but outdated.

China’s semiconductor sector is thriving on investment from the Beijing government’s National IC Industry Investment Fund

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphj...a-threatens-now-dominant-taiwan/#45b9ec875930

 

[beijingwalker]

We are competing with the US in services. We are competing with the US In democracy, in freedom, in art and culture, in Movies, in spreading values, in global influence.

W.r.t a very narrow competition in Electronics, we will get there too.

Just 2 years back we were importing 99% of our smart phones. Now reports say that by 2020, 96% of mobile phones sold in India will be Made in India.

Sounds pretty good to me.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...-made-locally-report/articleshow/59883293.cms

Meanwhile China becomes less competitive. So its pretty clear where the trend is ,

This is chinese Manufacturing PMI

This is Indian manufacturing PMI.

LOL.... you wish.

From those chart provided by you, anyone can clearly see that India's manufacturing is way ahead of China's . Hats off to the great Indian manufacturing industry.

 

[YogaMudra]

While contract manufacturers such as iPhone-maker Foxconn Technology Co (2354.TW) and Flextronics Corp have set up base in India, one of the world’s fastest-growing smartphone markets, almost none of the higher value chip sets, cameras and other high-end components are made domestically.

Plans for Taiwan-based Foxconn to build an electronics plant in the state of Maharashtra, which local officials said in 2015 could employ some 50,000 people, have gone quiet.


According to tech research firm Counterpoint, while phones are assembled domestically because of taxes on imported phones, locally made content in those phones is usually restricted to headphones and chargers - about 5 percent of a device’s cost.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...facturing-ambition-hits-hurdles-idUSKCN1C70BH


This could be true earlier...

China’s semiconductor industry, one that will make the core components of smartphones and PCs, is growing fast. If you said "hey wait, supplying semiconductors for consumer electronics sounds like more of a Taiwan thing," you'd be right but outdated.

China’s semiconductor sector is thriving on investment from the Beijing government’s National IC Industry Investment Fund

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphj...a-threatens-now-dominant-taiwan/#45b9ec875930

How is any of that relvenet ?

Fact remains that manufacturing in china is on the decline while Manufacturing in India is on the rise.

For china, debt as a proportion of gross domestic product would rise from 235% to almost 300% by 2022. How long can this investment continue in a declining market ?

The writing is on the wall.

From those chart provided by you, anyone can clearly see that India's manufacturing is way ahead of China's . Hats off to the great Indian manufacturing industry.

Is that what you understand from those charts ?

Is this supposed to tell us the level of chinese education ? Enjoy the ride.

 

[beijingwalker]

Is this supposed to tell us the level of chinese education ? Enjoy the ride.

Indian education is the best in the world, hats off to Indian education.

 

[itachii]

That made in India is actually made in China...I will post some supporting stuff in a while.

India has no computer chip, integrated silicon chip industry, the major components are all imported, including the camera. Only 5-6% of the smart phone, the casing and some other crude low tech. things are done in India.

For once you need to wake up amd smell the coffee. More tham 100 assembly/manufacturing plants are established in India since the start of make in India campaign. India is impelementing a strategy of incremental tariff policy. From this year tariffs of PCB boards will kick in amd foxconn and other Indian companies will start manufacturing PCB's in India. Yes we dont have chip manufacturing facilities but then that is a long shot.we neex to increase our share in other ecosystems.

Lets not get in to Automobile Industry we are only going to see an exponential growth in this sector.

 

[YogaMudra]

Indian education is the best in the world, hats off to Indian education.

It has certainly stopped producing Fools like Nehru.

This is a news clipping from 1963. A year after China invaded India.

PM Nehru's sister - leader of India's delegation to UN - said India STILL supports China's admission to the United Nations as a "matter of principle".

Today, China spares no effort to oppose India at the UN. As a "matter of principle".

 

[N.Siddiqui]

For once you need to wake up amd smell the coffee. More tham 100 assembly/manufacturing plants are established in India since the start of make in India campaign. India is impelementing a strategy of incremental tariff policy. From this year tariffs of PCB boards will kick in amd foxconn and other Indian companies will start manufacturing PCB's in India. Yes we dont have chip manufacturing facilities but then that is a long shot.we neex to increase our share in other ecosystems.

Right...need to know the huge difference in make in India initiative..and made in India(cannot see the fruition).

Also this is globalization, many Chinese companies and others in smart phones will set assembly plants in India to get the economy of scale, the local cost arbitration and all that, huge market, beat the tariffs and trade barriers.


According to tech research firm Counterpoint, while phones are assembled domestically in India because of taxes on imported phones, locally made content in those phones is usually restricted to headphones and chargers - about 5 percent of a device’s cost.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...facturing-ambition-hits-hurdles-idUSKCN1C70BH

 

[R0H1T]

That made in India is actually made in China...I will post some supporting stuff in a while.

India has no computer chip, integrated silicon chip industry, the major components are all imported, including the camera. Only 5-6% of the smart phone, the casing and some other crude low tech. things are done in India.

You're making it sound as if China has developed anything on their own, everything is either developed in the West or SK & Japan, the rest being stolen tech. China is just a mega contract manufacturer, everything else they have is hot air.

 

[beijingwalker]

It has certainly stopped producing Fools like Nehru.

This is a news clipping from 1963. A year after China invaded India.

PM Nehru's sister - leader of India's delegation to UN - said India STILL supports China's admission to the United Nations as a "matter of principle".

Today, China spares no effort to oppose India at the UN. As a "matter of principle".

Russia also did, a country won't easily give up their long standing principles. China also won't go back on what she already promised.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

You're making it sound as if China has developed anything on their own, everything is either developed in the West or SK & Japan, the rest being stolen tech. China is just a mega contract manufacturer, everything else they have is hot air.

It is changing very fast...just as the earlier case with Japan. From copying to innovation...

 

[YogaMudra]

Russia also did, a country won't easily give up their long standing principles. China also won't go back on what she already promised.

I don't think anybody's holding their breath trusting chinese "promises'. Russians fare better in this regard. but just barely.

 

[beijingwalker]

I don't think anybody's holding their breath trusting chinese "promises'. Russians fare better in this regard. but just barely.

You think too much about yourself's opinions, but anyway, nobody cares what you think.