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Kashmirs Difficult Choice

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There is an obvious disconnect between the tehreek on the streets of Srinagar, Baramullah and Sopore and the leaderspeak in the havelis of the Geelanis, Farooqs and Andrabis.
Geelani has said Kashmiris want independence (i am sure many of them do) but that is not practicable. And then he gives a strange logic India, Pakistan, China and Russia will accept an independent Kashmir,
so it is better Kashmir should join Pakistan. This is a subtle attempt to fulfil the Pakistani and not the Kashmiri agenda of annexation.


Geelani may have a problem with "Hindu India" (as he often says)
and his own reasons (financial and ideological) to conspire to merge the whole of Kashmir with Pakistan, but what can Kashmiris expect from Pakistan? Pakistan is a failed state. Sindh and Baluchistan are seething with discontent and what about Kashmiris in Pakistani Kashmir? Do they enjoy any democracy, any voice in a Punjabi (and military) run regime? Bengali Muslims were 65 per cent of the population of undivided Pakistan. But they didn't have any share of political power and their resources were exploited with no ploughback
into the East Pakistan economy
. Even after winning the majority of seats in the Pakistani National Assembly in 1970,
'Bangabandhu' Sheikh Mujibur Rahman never got to be the prime minister of Pakistan.

When the Awami League asked for power, the Pakistani army killed 2.5 million Bengalis Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Christians and even gypsies and raped and molested halfa million women of all ages in a mere eight months. There is no parallelof such brutality anywhere in South Asia's history, Nadir Shah's plunder of Delhi included.
If Bengali Muslims, being the demographic majority in undivided Pakistan, got nothing but blood and bullets,
what can Kashmiri Muslims expect?


India has been ruthless in dealing with the tehreek in Kashmir.
There is a serious problem if this is the way the world'slargestdemocracy deals with its own people.
More than 100 Kashmiris have died in as many days of the tehreek. Why can't Indian security forces use rubber bullets, water cannons, stun grenades, pepper guns and so many other crowd control options? Why is it that the CRPF has to fire to kill every time it is confronted with stone-pelters? There are many more questions on Kashmir that will confront India's collective conscience in days to come.
The most important being why Delhi did not take the political initiative to resolve the Kashmir question when the militancy graph was at its lowest. How long will the country pay for the indecisiveness of
its political leaders?

But just to remind Kashmiris, Indian crowd-control methods were equally harsh in Assam during the 1979-85 agitation when 130 people died in police firings in January-February 1983 in the rundown
to state assembly elections. And is there a comparison between India's handling of the Kashmir tehreek and Pakistan's handling of the agitation in East Pakistan?

There are two other things Kashmiris will have to give India credit for, much as they have every right to complain that they have usually been denied democracy. India has not tried tochange the demography of the Kashmir valley as China did in Tibet and Chinese Turkestan. Bangladesh did this in the Chittagong Hill Tracts under a military dispensation by sending Muslim settlers to the
tribal homeland. Indonesia did this in Aceh. The list goes on. India is perhaps the only post-colonial Third World state which did not seek a "demographic answer" to separatist challenges. Secondly, Indian intelligence, regardless of its endless conspiracies to divide the movements, has fought shy of physically attacking leaders; it has never driven the local Kashmiri leaders to a
stage they have to seek exile. Contrast this to Pakistan. Altaf Hussain and his MQM leaders are in London,
as are many of the Baloch and Sindhi nationalists. The ISI has perhaps used its Taliban surrogates to hit
at MQM leader Imran Farooq outside his house in the heart of London.


As a Bengali who has seen the 1971 Bangladesh liberation struggle at close quarters, i can appreciate the spirit of azadi in the Kashmir valley. It is the Bengalis who buried Jinnah's two-nation theory in the low-lying marshes and river islands of East Bengal.
But Jinnah's ghost will return to haunt Kashmiris in the midst of their tehreek. Bengaland Punjab were partitioned, Kashmir was not. Now, at the peak of the tehreek, two of its
non-Muslim regions, Jammu and Ladakh, will surely demand their own right of self-determination and exercise it to stay with India. And unless Pakistan accepts Azad Kashmir, how can Geelani ever
expect India to do so?


The answer to the tehreek is the "special federal relationship" that India has been trying to develop for the Nagas during its long negotiations with the National Socialist Council of Nagaland. Properly formulated and articulated, this package may be the answer
for India's "million mutinies", especially the separatist movements, not just in Nagaland but also in Assam, Manipur and Kashmir. That would fall short of Azadi for the youth of Kashmir, but they
will soon realise Pakistan is no option for them. Some of
should visit the Mukti Juddho Jadughor (Liberation War Museum) in Dhaka to understand that.

link :Kashmir's Difficult Choice - The Times of India
 
who said that people of kashmir has an option even if they want india will never giveup on kashmir although they (kashmiri people) can move to pakistan but main land kashmir will be a part of india with people of kashmir or without people of kashmir (in this case they will have to live in pakistan as refugee)
 
huh

Last ditch efforts from Times of India.

No one has done better in Pakistan then Kashmiris.

A Kashmiri can settle in any part of the country and is respected every where.

Kashmiris have done good with business, Pakistan has exported more Kashmiris to the west than any thing else.

The same very same people hold a lot of political and economic cards.
 
Times of India needs to take a visit to Lahore and see how well the Kashmiris are doing there. A Khawaja and Butt Sahab is always respected in Pakistan.

Bangladesh was thousands of miles away from Pakistan, so most Pakistanis never got the chance to integrate with the Bangladeshis, Kashmir is connected to Pakistan and Pakistanis integrate well with Kashmiris.

It was not in Azad Kashmir but it was in India Occupied Kashmir where over a hundred protesters were killed by indian armed forces in just 3 months.
 
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Leave it yaar. Take it as TOI's last failed efforts on the Kashmir issue. It is good to see them giving "reasons" to Kasmiris to live with India.

Good to see them producing "reasons" to live with India.

:azn:
 
It was not in Azad Kashmir but it was in India Occupied Kashmir where over a hundred protesters were killed by indian armed forces in just 3 months.

Pakistan has had 10 times more civilian casualties in the NWFP region thru its COIN operations in last 1 year. And it includes casualties when scores of civilians get killed in Air force bombing runs... Doesnt mean that NWFP should get integrated with Afghanistan since it also has a close border and ethinic alignment with Afghanistan
 
Pakistan has had 10 times more civilian casualties in the NWFP region thru its COIN operations in last 1 year. And it includes casualties when scores of civilians get killed in Air force bombing runs... Doesnt mean that NWFP should get integrated with Afghanistan since it also has a close border and ethinic alignment with Afghanistan

First of all it is not NWFP it is Khyber Pukhtoonkwa.

Second it isn't an occupied disputed territory.

Third their was a terrorist movement with regular armed troops/groups who used to challenge govt in those areas. This isn't the case in IOK.

Fourth they were slaughtering/killing/persecuting the people of Pakistan/KP and were not throwing just stones like IOK.

Fifth it was an accidental incident unlike IOK where GOI is bribing it's officially hired mercenaries to kill people.

So don't compare two different things with each other. :)
 
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Pakistan has had 10 times more civilian casualties in the NWFP region thru its COIN operations in last 1 year. And it includes casualties when scores of civilians get killed in Air force bombing runs... Doesnt mean that NWFP should get integrated with Afghanistan since it also has a close border and ethinic alignment with Afghanistan

what kind of sick twisted logic is that ?

Why don't you comment on the topic at hand and not high jack the thread with B.S.
 
Times of India needs to take a visit to Lahore and see how well the Kashmiris are doing there. A Khawaja and Butt Sahab is always respected in Pakistan.

That's great news. Does that include the Hindu Butt Sahabs who are Pandits too? So if people like me become Pakistanis, we will get 100% rights including the right to hold the highest office of the country etc., not to mention economic and social benefits, correct?
 
Pakistan has had 10 times more civilian casualties in the NWFP region thru its COIN operations in last 1 year. And it includes casualties when scores of civilians get killed in Air force bombing runs... Doesnt mean that NWFP should get integrated with Afghanistan since it also has a close border and ethinic alignment with Afghanistan

Only problem is that theres no UN resoultion on the issue...when it comes to kashmir.

Going of your logic pakistan has a right to indian punjab and other regions in india that have close border ,religious and ethinic alignment with pakistan.:rofl::chilli:
 
This is the general Map of India found in most places on the civilised educated world outside of India.

There are official tourist information on Jamma & Kashmir

i think this says all we need to know re kashmir being disputed.

The world in unaware of this dispute

Jammu & Kashmir Tourism
 
This is the general Map of India found in most places on the civilised educated world outside of India.

There are official tourist information on Jamma & Kashmir

i think this says all we need to know re kashmir being disputed.

The world in unaware of this dispute

Jammu & Kashmir Tourism

However, all the neutral and Pakistani companies claim to follow UN's map and over 90% of all maps containing the territory of Kashmir show it as disputed territory.
Kashmir conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The civilised educated world see kashmir as a disputed area and only the uncivilised claim to control occupied kashmir.
 
However, all the neutral and Pakistani companies claim to follow UN's map and over 90% of all maps containing the territory of Kashmir show it as disputed territory.
Kashmir conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The civilised educated world see kashmir as a disputed area and only the uncivilised claim to control occupied kashmir.

Civilised world also says that Pakistan is epicentre of Terrorism but that thing you don't want to believe.
 
Dabong The following territories are disputed

Tibet CHINA has it
Kashmir India has it
Northern Ireland UK has it

All of these disputes going on for decades. STIL THE occupants use those countries passports.

Just because some one disputes it does not mean it will change the STATS QUO
 
Much awaited Ayodha verdict is an epictome of what Kashmiris will get in unitied india..better speed up the protest and stone pelting! I wish those can be replaced with a grenade!
 

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