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PAF CAS confirmed the SU-30MKI kill in addition to MiG-21 Bison - Alan Warnes

Ok..please ignore me...i am a looney poster!
so why you spreading so much your nonsense conspiracy theories again and again, you should consider other possibilities too, most of their (IAF) fighter jets are old/high crash rates in IOK at the time of incident, why don't you thinks (consider) that it could be a possibility of technical faults/mishaps/friendly fire incidents @TheTallGuy
 
so why you spreading so much your nonsense conspiracy theories again and again, you should consider other possibilities too, most of their (IAF) fighter jets are old/high crash rates in IOK at the time of incident, why don't you thinks (consider) that it could be a possibility of technical faults/mishaps/friendly fire incidents @TheTallGuy

And why the "technical faults/mishaps/friendly fire incidents" are not happening now? with that rate...IAF would cease to be today.

its the 1st 20-30 seconds...when it was turkey shoot...immediate threats(CAPs) had to be dealt with to cover ingress of 2 x Mirage 3Ds and Iron Hand Escorts (JF17 B2) and then later selective shots at developing threats(Scramblers and interventionists from Mainland) to cover egress.

It would be hard for them to catch you in Johannesburg.

Africa is not only South Africa...
 
And why the "technical faults/mishaps/friendly fire incidents" are not happening now? with that rate...IAF would cease to be today.

its the 1st 20-30 seconds...when it was turkey shoot...immediate threats(CAPs) had to be dealt with to cover ingress of 2 x Mirage 3Ds and Iron Hand Escorts (JF17 B2) and then later selective shots at developing threats(Scramblers and interventionists from Mainland) to cover egress.



Africa is not only South Africa...

Good point. And why would the latter IAF fighters turn tail? Obviously they are not THAT cowardly, only if they got a real beating would they have lost their minds and did the ultimate.

Yes, Africa is not only in South Africa, but my bet is that, if you are in Africa, you're there.
 
And why the "technical faults/mishaps/friendly fire incidents" are not happening now? with that rate...IAF would cease to be today.
They were in emergency situations at the time of incidents (26/27 FEB) high tension situations where availability of jets were most important (neglecting maintenance) @TheTallGuy
its the 1st 20-30 seconds...when it was turkey shoot...immediate threats(CAPs) had to be dealt with to cover ingress of 2 x Mirage 3Ds and Iron Hand Escorts (JF17 B2) and then later selective shots at developing threats(Scramblers and interventionists from Mainland) to cover egress.
that would i called baseless assumptions of yours without single solid proofs @TheTallGuy
 
Osama was not in Pakistan according to Pakistanis mullah omar was not in Pakistan according to Pakistanis Kargil and 1965 was a win according to to them but CPEC is for development according to Pakistanis.

Why debate Indians ?
Kidoo intelligence agencies play cat and mouse games especially in a region in where so many vested interests are involved. United State like Pakistan are still playing there cards even today about Afghanistan. Presence of OBL inside Pakistan was part of the game plan but unfortunately it turned out to be the set back. United States is still looking for "honorable" exit from Afghanistan....despite raising the entire Afghan National Army and arming, training them to teeth from scratch, spending trillions with all international military forces participation along with Ajit Doval's filthy finger prints present all over in most Pak Afghan tensions but guess what?...TALIBANS ARE ABOUT TO TAKE CONTROL OF AFGHANISTAN AGAIN....!!

I don't mind if you are still living under rock and popping like many other Indians repeating nonsense over and over again. Even today Afghan government and Talibans are having peace talks in Muree few kilometers from Islamabad... WHY ? Because Pakistan has final role to play and unfortunately Indians can't do sh!! about it other than its traditional malicious attempts for destabilization with bloodshed.
 
No mki went down.there is no evidence.we dropped bombs,they destroyed their own helicopter,our f-16s returned to our airspace but mig-21 wasn't spotted on time.we lost one f-16 but other f-16 hit abhinandan plane.end of story.our operation was successful only in the initial stage.overall satisfactory performance.
 
No mki went down.there is no evidence.we dropped bombs,they destroyed their own helicopter,our f-16s returned to our airspace but mig-21 wasn't spotted on time.we lost one f-16 but other f-16 hit abhinandan plane.end of story.our operation was successful only in the initial stage.overall satisfactory performance.

NO F16 went down. None, what so ever... where is the evidence for the F16 ???? Su30MKI was shot down.. what are you struggling with?
 
Where did he said MKI went down or backing any of your wildest claim?
Losses, atrition, debacle. Can you not understand basic english? No where does he actually say loss! I stand by my stated position and say that the actual losses on IAF side on 27/2 were more than 2 possibly 3 and very unlikely 4. This excludes the helo that was lost due to friendly fire. If you collect all the news from Indian media on 27/2 you will get your answers. There is a confirmed news of another Bison going down around the same time reported by Indian media with footage of the wreck and a plane burning. The theatre is the same so sating this is a coincidence is very unlikely. I can confirm that it is not an SU but a Bison. This would make sense as the assetts sent to intercept match stated IAF positioning.
PAF has been very careful in detailing only CONFIRMED kills which can be proven and information has been provided through Third parties. Now you can continue to believe what you want to . Also consider the AIMC5 Which has been retrieved MUST HAVE been retrieved from a kill site ie the rear of a fighter. The MKI carcass is unavailable as it has not been retrieved so where has it been retrieved from?
Look I am not one of those children who thumps their chests when there is war between Indo Pak. War is a terrible thing and should be avoided at all costs but when an incident has taken place it should be accepted. Iam sure IAF will learn from their inexperience in due course but this time they got spanked and badly. I can give you my reasons for it but listen to your own man in his interview.
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No mki went down.there is no evidence.we dropped bombs,they destroyed their own helicopter,our f-16s returned to our airspace but mig-21 wasn't spotted on time.we lost one f-16 but other f-16 hit abhinandan plane.end of story.our operation was successful only in the initial stage.overall satisfactory performance.

You are incorrect..

3 x Su-30MKI are down you want me to tell you which version go check Su-30MKI-3 versions. 2ndly No F-16 is dead...why it cant be some thing else..you can claim..why not Mirage 3DP please tell me Why Only F-16! that too a twin seat! why it cant be single seat?

about MiG-21BISONS the 1st Scrambler that took off from Srinager got hit near Srinager what does it tell you? there was no sneaking up..

Food For thought
It will take a defection and serving IAF pilot in press conference on Live TV in Pakistan confirming IAF losses and talking about his fallen comrades.

Ever think of it the Operation that IAF carried out on 26th Feb on balakot is called "Operation Bandar"

Then Asif Ghafoor Sb in his press briefing Q&A said these famous words while smirking.."Taking your words not mine...We Will Shut the MONKEYS"

Interesting isnt it!
 
No mki went down.there is no evidence.we dropped bombs,they destroyed their own helicopter,our f-16s returned to our airspace but mig-21 wasn't spotted on time.we lost one f-16 but other f-16 hit abhinandan plane.end of story.our operation was successful only in the initial stage.overall satisfactory performance.

@Major Sam, why negative rating to this post?

I don’t think you start giving negative ratings just because it does not fit pak’s official narrative.
 
Historically, drastic change is resisted the fear of unknown - 2 Kills and a helicopter was known territory because of Kargil..military knew what Indians can take and what would be calculated response...if they had openly claimed the decimation. response could be unknown...thats my take on it...although i vehemently disagree with this approach.

money is always problem while selling cars in Africa these days - while doing so i found out that we have 2 warriors who have more then 1 kill to there credit...

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I can assure you HUD confirmation of Kill exist of MiG-21BISON and hit is observed in it.
There is a HUD confirmation for the MiG. There is one for the mysterious Sukhoi as well. Apparently that is the longest BVR kill ever in recent times.
 
@Major Sam, why negative rating to this post?

I don’t think you start giving negative ratings just because it does not fit pak’s official narrative.
LOl you don't understand sarcasm, you and your fellow Indians always blabbers out without single solid proof by your mighty IAF that our F-16 had been shot down by your Mig-21, we are already prove it that you're (India) is wrong (PENTAGON CONFIRMATIONS) YOU'RE COME HERE ONLY FOR TROLL, YOU HAVE ONLY 380 POST AND 18 NEGATIVE RATING, THAT'S SHOWS YOU TROLLING/BLABBERING INTENTIONS HERE ON PDF @Mace
 
LOl you don't understand sarcasm, you and your fellow Indians always blabbers out without single solid proof by your mighty IAF that our F-16 had been shot down by your Mig-21, we are already prove it that you're (India) is wrong (PENTAGON CONFIRMATIONS) YOU'RE COME HERE ONLY FOR TROLL, YOU HAVE ONLY 380 POST AND 18 NEGATIVE RATING, THAT'S SHOWS YOU TROLLING/BLABBERING INTENTIONS HERE ON PDF @Mace

Pl do not mix up negative ratings counts to an Indian poster on PDF with quality of postings.

I use mobile only for PDF. I have zero clue on number of negative ratings I have been given and don’t particularly care.

And by the way @Arsalan 345 seems to be a Pakistani whose post I was highlighting.
 
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