No probs bro.. let me repeat. Why would ISI and GoP would lie and put their country into this weird situation? Let's suppose if we go with your point of view about US election.. my question to you is.. what Pakistan government has to do anything with that? Why AQ is saying that it did happen and he was killed in that mansion? Even his family members are confirming this. There are more reasons to believe that it did happen..
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No probs bro.. let me repeat. Why would ISI and GoP would lie and put their country into this weird situation? Let's suppose if we go with your point of view about US election.. my question to you is.. what Pakistan government has to do anything with that? Why AQ is saying that it did happen and he was killed in that mansion? Even his family members are confirming this. There are more reasons to believe that it did happen..
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The answer is already there where you copied the above questions from.
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Even the retaliatory attacks are governed by CIA & indians DEVILS...
Stage-play of osama & then acknowledging of his death by Al-CIAdah & then so-called-TTP announcing retaliatory attacks against Paksitan instead of American/israeli/indian devils & then actual terrorist attacks inside Pakistan,,, ALL are governed by those DEVILs of CIA/indians/israelis...
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i pity the people who think this has been orchestrated by external forces . the trouble lies within Pakistan itself , and no amount of jingoism will ever solve it .
The answer is already there where you copied the above questions from.
Can you please elaborate? I don't believe in one liners. thanks.
Thanks for your reply.. if everything is fake then Pakistan would have convinced US to make this WHOLE STORY take place in Afghanistan rather than CREATING it in Pakistan. If at all they wanted to just ACT then they would have acted it outside Pakistan so as to avoid this weird situation. See, US can convince Pakistan government about it but how can they convince OBL family and AQ itself?
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Lies, Damn Lies, and Bin Laden's Death
Lies, Damn Lies, and Bin Laden's Death - by Stephen Lendman
Winston Churchill rightly explained that "(a) lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." He said it perhaps before television. For sure before 24-hour cable TV and modern technology instantly communicating globally.
It applies to Obama's latest lie, announced at 11:35PM EDT on bin Laden, saying:
"Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, and a terrorist who's responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children."
Highlighting 9/11, he painstakingly discussed everything but the truth. America's media repeated it. Celebratory crowds in front of the White House, in Times Square, and at "ground zero" cheered it past midnight, mindlessly believing a lie. More on that below.
On May 1, New York Times writers Peter Baker, Helene Cooper and Mark Mazzetti headlined, "Bin Laden Is Dead, Obama says: continuing:
Calling him "the mastermind of the most devastating attack on American soil in modern times and the most hunted man in the world," Obama announced his death Sunday night, declaring "justice has been done."
Cheerleading, not reporting, Baker, Cooper and Mazzetti called his "demise....a defining moment in the American-led fight against terrorism, a symbolic stroke affirming the relentlessness of the pursuit of those who attacked New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001."
New Year's eve arrived early in America, celebrating a lie, the "bewildered herd" again seduced by presidential deception.
A USA Today editorial headlined, "At last, bin Laden is dead," saying:
"Could there be any more satisfying words to hear?"
The Boston Globe highlighted "a moment of unity" after nearly a decade of war, calling Obama's announcement a "vindication of a manhunt spanning presidential administrations, and involving numerous agencies and countless intelligence officers."
AP quoted Bill Clinton saying:
"I congratulate the president, the national security team and the members of our armed forces on bringing Osama bin Laden to justice after more than a decade of murderous al Qaeda attacks."
House speaker John Boehner (R. OH) said it was "great news..."
House Democrat leader Nancy Pelosi called it "historic."
Senate Democrat leader Harry Reid "reaffirm(ed) our resolve to defeat the terrorist forces that killed (9/11 victims) and thousands of others across the globe."
Expect lots more cheerleading ahead, led by major media reports doing what they do best, providing sanitized, managed news, not truth.
Separating Fact from Fiction
Post-9/11, bin Laden became "Enemy Number One," the nation's top "security threat." In fact, if he hadn't existed, he'd have been invented for political advantage.
In March 1985, after Ronald Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive (NSDD) 166 to arm Afghan Mujahideen fighters, Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) recruited bin Laden to fight Soviet Afghan forces as a CIA asset. He likely remained one until his death, while simultaneously called "Enemy Number One," using him advantageously both ways.
David Ray Griffin wrote seminal books on 9/11, including "The New Pearl Harbor," "The 9/11 Commission Report," "9/11 and American Empire," "9/11 Contradictions," "Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7," and "Osama Bin Laden: Dead of Alive?"
It was also the title of his October 9, 2009 Global Research article, covering two types of evidence:
(1) Objective evidence that he's dead:
After December 13, 2001, his regularly intercepted messages stopped.
On December 26, 2001, according to "a leading Pakistani newspaper" story, a prominent Taliban official said he attended his funeral.
Bin Laden, in fact, was very ill with kidney disease. In September 2001, CBS News anchor Dan Rather reported that he was admitted to a Rawalpindi, Pakistan hospital on September 10, 2001, and France's Le Figaro said:
"Dubai....was the backdrop of a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA agent in July (2001). A partner of the administration of the American Hospital....claims that (bin Laden) stayed (there) between the 4th and 14th of July (and) received visits from many members of his family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. (During the same period), the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking (the hospital's) main elevator (to) bin Laden's room."
Why not if he was a valued asset.
In July 2002, "CNN reported that (his) bodyguards had been captured in February of that year, adding: 'Sources believe that if the bodyguards were captured away from bin Laden, it is likely the most wanted man in the world is dead."
Finally, despite Washington offering a $25 million reward for information leading to his capture or killing, no one came forward.
(2) Testimonial evidence of his death:
In 2002, influential "people in a position to know" that he died included:
-- Pakistan President Musharraf;
-- FBI counterterrorism head Dale Watson;
-- Oliver North saying, "I'm certain that Osama is dead....and so are all the other guys I stay in touch with;"
-- Afghanistan President Karzai;
-- Israeli intelligence saying supposed bin Laden messages were fake; and
-- Pakistan's ISI "confirm(ing) the death of....Osama bin Laden (and) attribut(ing) the reasons behind Washington's hiding (the truth) to the desire of (America's hawks) to use the issue of al Qaeda and international terrorism to invade Iraq."
Other evidence includes former CIA case officer Robert Baer telling National Public Radio (NPR): "Of course he's dead."
Then in March 2009, "former Foreign Service officer Angelo Codevilla published an essay in the American Spectator entitled 'Osama bin Elvis,' " saying:
"Seven years after (bin Laden's) last verifiable appearance among the living, there is more evidence of Elvis's presence among us than for his."
Griffin also explained fake messages and videos, saying today's advanced technology can fool experts, but not all of them.
For years, bin Laden tapes surfaced at strategically-timed moments. Consider one on Friday, September 7, 2007 ahead the sixth 9/11 anniversary. Hector Factor's Neal Krawetz, a digital image forensics expert, said it was full of low quality visual and audio splices, a likely fake.
Striking also was bin Laden's beard that was gray in recent images. In this one, it was black. In addition, he was dressed in a white hat and shirt, as well as a yellow sweater, the same attire as on an October 29, 2004 video. Moreover, the background, lighting, desk and camera angle were identical.
Krawetz noted that "if you overlay the 2007 and 2004 videos, bin Laden's face is the same (unaged)." Only his beard was darker, and the picture contrast was adjusted. Most important are the edits showing obvious splices, at least six video ones in all. Even more audio ones were used that appeared to be words and phrases spliced together, making Krawetz suspect a vocal imitator was used.
A Final Comment
Clear evidence showed bin Laden died years ago, likely in December 2001. However, reporting it was concealed to pursue America's "war on terror."
As a result, "Enemy Number One" was used to stoke fear as pretext for imperial wars on Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, perhaps others now planned, and numerous proxy ones in Somalia, Yemen, Bahrain, Palestine, Central Africa, Colombia, and elsewhere.
Griffin wrote his bin Laden book, hoping to shorten America's wars. He also wished to expose "fake bin Laden tapes (used as) one part of an extensive propaganda operation....furthering the militarization of America and its foreign policy" while popular needs go begging.
Obama's latest lie left America's imperial agenda unchanged. In fact, his announcement likely bolsters public support for what's clearly become unpopular, saying:
"(T)hink back to the sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11," urging people to show it again despite how militarism harms their security, well-being and futures by draining funds badly needed for domestic needs.
Instead, expect increasing amounts used for corporate handouts and wars, Obama as uncaring about human needs as extremist Republicans. He's also an inveterate liar.
SteveLendmanBlog: Lies, Damn Lies, and Bin Laden's Death
Lies, Damn Lies, and Bin Laden's Death - by Stephen Lendman
Winston Churchill rightly explained that "(a) lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." He said it perhaps before television. For sure before 24-hour cable TV and modern technology instantly communicating globally.
It applies to Obama's latest lie, announced at 11:35PM EDT on bin Laden, saying:
"Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al Qaeda, and a terrorist who's responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women, and children."
Highlighting 9/11, he painstakingly discussed everything but the truth. America's media repeated it. Celebratory crowds in front of the White House, in Times Square, and at "ground zero" cheered it past midnight, mindlessly believing a lie. More on that below.
On May 1, New York Times writers Peter Baker, Helene Cooper and Mark Mazzetti headlined, "Bin Laden Is Dead, Obama says: continuing:
Calling him "the mastermind of the most devastating attack on American soil in modern times and the most hunted man in the world," Obama announced his death Sunday night, declaring "justice has been done."
Cheerleading, not reporting, Baker, Cooper and Mazzetti called his "demise....a defining moment in the American-led fight against terrorism, a symbolic stroke affirming the relentlessness of the pursuit of those who attacked New York and Washington on Sept. 11, 2001."
New Year's eve arrived early in America, celebrating a lie, the "bewildered herd" again seduced by presidential deception.
A USA Today editorial headlined, "At last, bin Laden is dead," saying:
"Could there be any more satisfying words to hear?"
The Boston Globe highlighted "a moment of unity" after nearly a decade of war, calling Obama's announcement a "vindication of a manhunt spanning presidential administrations, and involving numerous agencies and countless intelligence officers."
AP quoted Bill Clinton saying:
"I congratulate the president, the national security team and the members of our armed forces on bringing Osama bin Laden to justice after more than a decade of murderous al Qaeda attacks."
House speaker John Boehner (R. OH) said it was "great news..."
House Democrat leader Nancy Pelosi called it "historic."
Senate Democrat leader Harry Reid "reaffirm(ed) our resolve to defeat the terrorist forces that killed (9/11 victims) and thousands of others across the globe."
Expect lots more cheerleading ahead, led by major media reports doing what they do best, providing sanitized, managed news, not truth.
Separating Fact from Fiction
Post-9/11, bin Laden became "Enemy Number One," the nation's top "security threat." In fact, if he hadn't existed, he'd have been invented for political advantage.
In March 1985, after Ronald Reagan signed National Security Decision Directive (NSDD) 166 to arm Afghan Mujahideen fighters, Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) recruited bin Laden to fight Soviet Afghan forces as a CIA asset. He likely remained one until his death, while simultaneously called "Enemy Number One," using him advantageously both ways.
David Ray Griffin wrote seminal books on 9/11, including "The New Pearl Harbor," "The 9/11 Commission Report," "9/11 and American Empire," "9/11 Contradictions," "Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center 7," and "Osama Bin Laden: Dead of Alive?"
It was also the title of his October 9, 2009 Global Research article, covering two types of evidence:
(1) Objective evidence that he's dead:
After December 13, 2001, his regularly intercepted messages stopped.
On December 26, 2001, according to "a leading Pakistani newspaper" story, a prominent Taliban official said he attended his funeral.
Bin Laden, in fact, was very ill with kidney disease. In September 2001, CBS News anchor Dan Rather reported that he was admitted to a Rawalpindi, Pakistan hospital on September 10, 2001, and France's Le Figaro said:
"Dubai....was the backdrop of a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA agent in July (2001). A partner of the administration of the American Hospital....claims that (bin Laden) stayed (there) between the 4th and 14th of July (and) received visits from many members of his family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. (During the same period), the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking (the hospital's) main elevator (to) bin Laden's room."
Why not if he was a valued asset.
In July 2002, "CNN reported that (his) bodyguards had been captured in February of that year, adding: 'Sources believe that if the bodyguards were captured away from bin Laden, it is likely the most wanted man in the world is dead."
Finally, despite Washington offering a $25 million reward for information leading to his capture or killing, no one came forward.
(2) Testimonial evidence of his death:
In 2002, influential "people in a position to know" that he died included:
-- Pakistan President Musharraf;
-- FBI counterterrorism head Dale Watson;
-- Oliver North saying, "I'm certain that Osama is dead....and so are all the other guys I stay in touch with;"
-- Afghanistan President Karzai;
-- Israeli intelligence saying supposed bin Laden messages were fake; and
-- Pakistan's ISI "confirm(ing) the death of....Osama bin Laden (and) attribut(ing) the reasons behind Washington's hiding (the truth) to the desire of (America's hawks) to use the issue of al Qaeda and international terrorism to invade Iraq."
Other evidence includes former CIA case officer Robert Baer telling National Public Radio (NPR): "Of course he's dead."
Then in March 2009, "former Foreign Service officer Angelo Codevilla published an essay in the American Spectator entitled 'Osama bin Elvis,' " saying:
"Seven years after (bin Laden's) last verifiable appearance among the living, there is more evidence of Elvis's presence among us than for his."
Griffin also explained fake messages and videos, saying today's advanced technology can fool experts, but not all of them.
For years, bin Laden tapes surfaced at strategically-timed moments. Consider one on Friday, September 7, 2007 ahead the sixth 9/11 anniversary. Hector Factor's Neal Krawetz, a digital image forensics expert, said it was full of low quality visual and audio splices, a likely fake.
Striking also was bin Laden's beard that was gray in recent images. In this one, it was black. In addition, he was dressed in a white hat and shirt, as well as a yellow sweater, the same attire as on an October 29, 2004 video. Moreover, the background, lighting, desk and camera angle were identical.
Krawetz noted that "if you overlay the 2007 and 2004 videos, bin Laden's face is the same (unaged)." Only his beard was darker, and the picture contrast was adjusted. Most important are the edits showing obvious splices, at least six video ones in all. Even more audio ones were used that appeared to be words and phrases spliced together, making Krawetz suspect a vocal imitator was used.
A Final Comment
Clear evidence showed bin Laden died years ago, likely in December 2001. However, reporting it was concealed to pursue America's "war on terror."
As a result, "Enemy Number One" was used to stoke fear as pretext for imperial wars on Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Libya, perhaps others now planned, and numerous proxy ones in Somalia, Yemen, Bahrain, Palestine, Central Africa, Colombia, and elsewhere.
Griffin wrote his bin Laden book, hoping to shorten America's wars. He also wished to expose "fake bin Laden tapes (used as) one part of an extensive propaganda operation....furthering the militarization of America and its foreign policy" while popular needs go begging.
Obama's latest lie left America's imperial agenda unchanged. In fact, his announcement likely bolsters public support for what's clearly become unpopular, saying:
"(T)hink back to the sense of unity that prevailed on 9/11," urging people to show it again despite how militarism harms their security, well-being and futures by draining funds badly needed for domestic needs.
Instead, expect increasing amounts used for corporate handouts and wars, Obama as uncaring about human needs as extremist Republicans. He's also an inveterate liar.
SteveLendmanBlog: Lies, Damn Lies, and Bin Laden's Death
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how can you plant WMDs? you can't just stick WMDs in the desert and pull it out saying, look we found WMDs.
people will say that's been planted. you could probably if you found it with the other bits of equipment needed for storage. but the weapons inspectors would just say, we searched there, you're making this up.
If (according to conspiracy theorists) U.S. can stage the hijacking of 4 planes and attacking their own symbols of economic power (WTC towers) and Military Power (Pentagon) while killing over 3000 Americans then I feel that planting a WMD or even a dirty bomb in the dessert would be a child's play
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if the US pulled a nook out the desert sand and said "we found a nook", noone, except perhaps neocons and Indians are going to believe them.
you'd need to show the storage facilities etc.
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The real story is that Usama had died somewhere near 2005 naturally, Al-Qaida didn't want to tell that to the world as it would seem to be a real blow, the americans came to know about this and thought they would use it to their own advantage and played along. Now America wants to pull out of Afghanistan so they "killed" Usama, now we are going to be the ones wholly and solely on the front line on this "War on Terror", we have already been taking the heaviest casualties in this "War". And look at the effect that this had on the defense, those politicians who had been asking for where is the money that the public is giving; they are going to be now increasing the money given to defense. I think the Americans and the ISI think that this is a win win situation. But it never was and never will be and that makes me mad.
It was convenient for everyone to have OBL dead in a hi-fi international scene, keeping the belief that it was a truer operation, not a FAKE Encounter.
Unfortunately, Pakistani Govt, Armed Forces, WH, Pentagon and Obama admin said that it was all a USA operation, Pakistan was not told about it, OBL was 100% killed, radars were evaded, no casualties, children and wife of OBL captured alive, and the body dumped in the sea.
No evidences till now. But,
That is all you need to believe, since no-one you were there at the incident. Live with it.
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No one believed that that Osama was in Pakistan except neocons and Indians. Right?
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Indians will believe whatever comes from the current superpower of the time, especially if the leaders look more like bollywood actors and actresses than themselves
you are welcome to provide statistics though.... which i await
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well these indians have a new way of proving their point, that is if we debunk their cr@p they just call us conspiracy theorist, people in denial, people with obsession, people with God knows what else. And one has to just go through this forum off late who is obsessed with who and to what extend. And specially these days, when you have the summer holidays, all the walay jahil 15 saal kay keyboard losers are here ruining the forum with one Pakistan bashing article after another, and to add to that their sh!ty point of view.
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