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We cannot compare Tibet with Kashmir.
Unlike in Kashmir, where Indians cannot settle down and change the demographic pattern, the Chinese have made it a point to change the demographic pattern in all minority areas, be it Tibet, Xinjiang or any other place by gibing concessions and encouragement to Hans to settle down and intermarry.
It is China's aim to Han-ise the local population so that the actual inhabitants of that region becomes a minority and inconsequential.
On Uighurs:
chez Nadezhda :: Uyghur Separatism and the Politics of Islam in China's Western Frontier
Unlike in Kashmir, where Indians cannot settle down and change the demographic pattern, the Chinese have made it a point to change the demographic pattern in all minority areas, be it Tibet, Xinjiang or any other place by gibing concessions and encouragement to Hans to settle down and intermarry.
It is China's aim to Han-ise the local population so that the actual inhabitants of that region becomes a minority and inconsequential.
On Uighurs:
chez Nadezhda :: Uyghur Separatism and the Politics of Islam in China's Western Frontier
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In so far as the Tibetan Buddhism is concerned, they believe that the Dalai Lama is a God Incarnate.
The Chinese have tried their best to obliterate this belief.
Obviously, the Tibetans are not amused even if cowed down by military might and other means. One cannot blame them either since it evokes the same indignation as when someone ridicules Mohammed, Rama or the Virgin Mary!
When religion is made the centrepoint of ridicule or being forced to renounce, it does inflame passions.
There is enough evidence in history, past and of recent past, that indicate ridiculing religion or attempting to inform that such beliefs are humbug incites rebellion or irrational reactions.
And all religions do have issues that defy modern logic and all religions have adherents who are beyond peaceful coexistence.
Therefore, Tibet uprising is no surprise!
It also indicates that dubious Chinese claims are bogus. They also have feet of clay as all others in the world and are not the God's Chosen few!
Notwithstanding all the protestations that it is the actions of a few 'misguided', it is turning out to be the real McCoy or else why turf out terrorists and tourists?
The Chinese have tried their best to obliterate this belief.
Obviously, the Tibetans are not amused even if cowed down by military might and other means. One cannot blame them either since it evokes the same indignation as when someone ridicules Mohammed, Rama or the Virgin Mary!
When religion is made the centrepoint of ridicule or being forced to renounce, it does inflame passions.
There is enough evidence in history, past and of recent past, that indicate ridiculing religion or attempting to inform that such beliefs are humbug incites rebellion or irrational reactions.
And all religions do have issues that defy modern logic and all religions have adherents who are beyond peaceful coexistence.
Therefore, Tibet uprising is no surprise!
It also indicates that dubious Chinese claims are bogus. They also have feet of clay as all others in the world and are not the God's Chosen few!
Notwithstanding all the protestations that it is the actions of a few 'misguided', it is turning out to be the real McCoy or else why turf out terrorists and tourists?
If the "incarnated god" or "gods" are evil, as judged by secular laws, they have to be condemned or prosecuted according to the law.
For instance, a Lama, also believed to be incarnated whatever, recently conducted adultery with a married believing woman in Taiwan and was caught red-handed by her husband who is also the lama’s believer
; the lama has to be punished regardless how he uses religious terms to explain his “sacred” conduct.
For instance, a Lama, also believed to be incarnated whatever, recently conducted adultery with a married believing woman in Taiwan and was caught red-handed by her husband who is also the lama’s believer
; the lama has to be punished regardless how he uses religious terms to explain his “sacred” conduct.Nobody should be surprised by riots of mobs in Tibet. All Chinese, including Tibetan Chinese, should expect this type of events to happen now and then in the future.
It is a good thing:
1) It constantly adds a sense of crisis to the Chinese people and authorities. A country without sense of crisis is a country of hopelessness.
2) It will more or less force the Chinese authorities to exam their internal policies, especially policies on minority and religion, and their conduct about human rights and democratization.
3) It helps to unify the Chinese further for them to have a vigilant eye to guard against any separatist activities.
4) It will test the sincerity of the Sino-India relationship. High-level blahblah makes sense only to certain degree. I believe it will give Chinese people and authority a very good impression when they see Indian police forcefully dismissed the Tibetan marching North, even had one (violent?) Tibetan woman beaten up if I remember some report correctly.
It is a good thing:
1) It constantly adds a sense of crisis to the Chinese people and authorities. A country without sense of crisis is a country of hopelessness.
2) It will more or less force the Chinese authorities to exam their internal policies, especially policies on minority and religion, and their conduct about human rights and democratization.
3) It helps to unify the Chinese further for them to have a vigilant eye to guard against any separatist activities.
4) It will test the sincerity of the Sino-India relationship. High-level blahblah makes sense only to certain degree. I believe it will give Chinese people and authority a very good impression when they see Indian police forcefully dismissed the Tibetan marching North, even had one (violent?) Tibetan woman beaten up if I remember some report correctly.
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One must not forget good old Marx who stated that religion is the opium of the masses.
Therefore, laws secular or otherwise, religion is always a strong opiate.
Sooner the Chinese realise it, the better.
State cannot take the onus to structure it to their convenience. If they attempt to do so, they are merely igniting passions leading to disastrous consequences.
In so far as Sino Indian relationship is concerned, one wonders if India requires to bend backwards.
Therefore, laws secular or otherwise, religion is always a strong opiate.
Sooner the Chinese realise it, the better.
State cannot take the onus to structure it to their convenience. If they attempt to do so, they are merely igniting passions leading to disastrous consequences.
In so far as Sino Indian relationship is concerned, one wonders if India requires to bend backwards.
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the 5th Chinese national census was finished in 2002, as below:
http://www.stats.gov.cn/tjsj/ndsj/re...html/t0106.htm
picking up datas from the huge form, Population of Tibet, by year of 2000:
Total 2616329 ---100%
Tibetan 2427168 ---92.76%
Han 158570 ---6.06%
Hui 9031 ---0.34%
Menba 8481 ---0.32%
Louba 2691 ---0.1%
Nasi 1223
Vighour 701
Monglian 690
Bai 722
Puyi 437
Nu 408
Miao 389
Tujia 303
Yi 287
Sala 228
.....
Now, you tell me what happened to the "Arunachal Pradesh", mind enlightening me on the population composition there?
Even from some Americans' view, the riots only serve to further consolidate CCP leadership in the country, as is supported by overwhelming majority of Chinese.
Those who plot behind the scene of the riots will surely be very disappointed.
Murderers under the cloak of a religion need to be brought to justice, no matter how subtle their theory is, or how passionately they preach.
Again, it was a blatant insult to Mr. Nobel to bestow a peace price to a violent murderer under CIA support.
Beijing's Crackdown Gets Strong Domestic Support
Ethnic Pride Stoked by Government Propaganda
By Edward Cody
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, March 17, 2008; Page A12
BEIJING, March 16 -- In the West, the name Tibet has long evoked unspoiled Himalayan landscapes, cinnamon-robed monks spinning prayer wheels and a peace-loving Dalai Lama seeking freedom for his repressed Buddhist followers.
Here in China, people have embraced a different view; they regard Tibet as a historical part of the nation and see its sympathizers in the West as easily fooled romantics. Thanks to government propaganda, but also to ethnic pride, most Chinese see the Dalai Lama and his monks as obscurantist reactionaries trying to split the country and reverse the economic and social progress that China has brought to a backward and isolated land over the past 58 years.
The violent protests by Buddhist monks and other Tibetans that exploded in Lhasa on Friday, therefore, have generated widespread condemnation among the country's majority Han Chinese. In street conversations, Internet discussions and academic forums, most Chinese have readily embraced the government's contention that the violence resulted from a plot mounted by the Dalai Lama from his exile headquarters in India.
Against that background, the Communist Party has met with broad popular approval in vowing to crack down on the rioters -- most of whose victims were Han Chinese -- and in qualifying the "impudent" Dalai Lama as a "master terror maker" who has hoodwinked the West with his appeals for peace. While the rest of the world invokes the Beijing Olympics and advises restraint, Chinese specialists and the public have urged the government to move decisively -- and gamble that the Olympics will not be spoiled.
"The riot in Lhasa was caused by the Dalai Lama," said Zhang Yun, a professor at the government-sponsored Chinese Center for Tibetan Studies in Beijing.
"The monks are very easily influenced by their religious leader, so they are irrational compared to other types of people," he added. "I don't believe any country in the world would allow anything that would destroy social order and ruin people's lives. There is a lot of prejudice against the Chinese government. People believe all that stuff about the Dalai Lama, and that the Chinese government is all wrong. But actually, the reality is not like that."
Jorge Chiang, a stylishly dressed Hong Kong businessman on a trip to Beijing, said he, too, believed the bloody rioting was set off on orders from the Dalai Lama. Now, he predicted, the Chinese government will use the violence as a reason to round up the most prominent activist monks and "tighten its control over Tibet."
"I believe the government is capable of resolving this situation," said a young woman walking in central Beijing on a brilliant spring afternoon. "It's not the first time this has happened."
An Internet commentator who identified himself as Roomx said Buddhist monks have no more right than anybody else to torch shops and kill the Han Chinese businessmen inside. "They are all Chinese citizens," he added. "The monks who are connected to this conduct have to be arrested. Otherwise, it is not in conformity with rule by law."
Dramatizing how broadly such views are held even among the computer-savvy young generation, similar outrage exploded on the Internet after the Icelandic pop singer Bjork capped a concert in Shanghai on March 2 by shouting "Tibet! Tibet!" after a song about independence. Censorship officials huffed about how her gesture was out of place and pledged to tighten controls over foreign performers in China.
The Tibet Autonomous Region's local government issued an announcement after the riots saying the Dalai Lama and his followers instigated the violence "intending to break Tibet away from the motherland." Their allegation reflected China's long-standing complaint that the Dalai Lama, although he preaches limited autonomy, in fact has not abandoned his campaign to make Tibet and its 2.8 million residents fully independent from China.
For those with long memories in Beijing, that has always been the situation. The Dalai Lama, now 72, led a violent uprising with help from the Central Intelligence Agency after Chinese troops reimposed rule from Beijing in 1950. The subversion campaign failed, and he was forced in 1959 to flee on horseback to India, where he has lived in exile for half a century. It was to mark the anniversary of his dramatic flight over the Himalayas that anti-China demonstrations in Lhasa got started last Monday.
Tibet, a 750,000-square-mile territory sitting between the Himalayan and Kun Lun mountain ranges, was more or less part of various Chinese empires over the centuries, paying fealty but often too remote to be totally controlled. With the Dalai Lama as its leader, however, Tibet governed itself as an independent nation while China was torn by the upheavals of the first half of the 20th century. So for Beijing officials and the public they have educated through propaganda, the Dalai Lama is less a devout Buddhist than a secessionist rebel.
"Now the blaze and blood in Lhasa has unclad the nature of the Dalai Lama," said an editorial from the official New China News Agency. "And it's time for the international community to recheck their stance toward the group under the camouflage of nonviolence, if they do not want to be willingly misled."
The Dalai Lama's hold on people's imagination in the West has long irritated the Chinese government. The New China News Agency editorial described his Nobel Peace Prize, awarded in 1989, as "tainted" by Friday's rioting. The Congressional Gold Medal, which injected a chill into U.S.-China relations last October, turned out to be a "fig leaf" for the "rhetoric lama to sell his deceitful philosophy," it said.
In any case, the Chinese government has portrayed its presence in Tibet as beneficial for the population, citing the breakup of traditional serfdom in the countryside, improved health care and school construction. A Beijing-to-Lhasa train that began service in July 2006 was designed to further accelerate economic development, bringing in tourists and taking out minerals.
The economic development has been accompanied by an influx of Han Chinese who, Tibetan nationalists complain, have tightened their grip on all the economic and political levers. The Han Chinese who were killed in Friday's rioting, for instance, were identified as shop owners and employees singled out by Tibetans resentful of their economic domination.
The Chinese arrivals, Tibetans and their supporters abroad say, have submerged Tibetan culture and Buddhist traditions by drawing the territory more closely into the rest of China. Signs along the main street leading to Lhasa's celebrated Jokhang Temple, they note, are just as likely to be written in Chinese as Tibetan, and the saleswomen tend to speak Mandarin rather than the region's own tongue.
A Chinese Tibet specialist in Beijing who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the tensions said the situation was inevitable as China pursues economic development of the region. Like the American West in the 19th century, he said, modernization of China's West in the 21st century is bound to dilute the traditional Tibetan ways so esteemed abroad.
"China's government does not intend to destroy Tibetan culture," he said. "But with the economy developing, the culture will change gradually, the same as in other places in the world."
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Baluchistan and Sindh are not disputed territories. Sindh was the first province to join Pakistan and Baluchistan willingly joined Pakistan unlike Kashmir which is forcefully captured by India. Kashmir is not the only territory under illegal Indian occupation; Junagarh , Hyderabad and Goa are also occupied lands.
As far as Tibet is concerned it is the internal matter of China they have better idea of the situation. Pakistan will not unethically interfere in their matter.
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any one of you ever heard of "burning sky lamp"?
it's an old crucifixion used by latifundists to punish their serfs at will in the dark feudal age in Tibet before 1951.
if you never heard of it, now the Free Tibet mobs have made an abominable demo.
on March 14, they trashed a shop and caught the han ethnic owner,father of 3 kids. they beat him on the ground, teared up all his clothes, and then wrapped him up with woven belt, drenched him with gasoline, finally hung him up to a wooden pole (the lampstage) and, lit him from his feet.
the last step sounds like lighting up a ghee lamp,holy,gravely with joy.
but an innocent man, leaving his family awaiting, watched and smelled himself dying out like a candle.
Is this a reaction of peaceful Tibetan populace to the "long-term Chinese oppression"? or more likely, from the method,
a cast out feudal baron using tools to repeat his bloody glory?
I wont expect any accusation over this from those fu*king rights group, they've been busying in cutting clips of indian cops beating protesters and putting them right in front of Lahsa riot, in order to make an inspiring video of "Tibetans reacting to chinese high level oppresion".
you can find it on youtube.
it's an old crucifixion used by latifundists to punish their serfs at will in the dark feudal age in Tibet before 1951.
if you never heard of it, now the Free Tibet mobs have made an abominable demo.
on March 14, they trashed a shop and caught the han ethnic owner,father of 3 kids. they beat him on the ground, teared up all his clothes, and then wrapped him up with woven belt, drenched him with gasoline, finally hung him up to a wooden pole (the lampstage) and, lit him from his feet.
the last step sounds like lighting up a ghee lamp,holy,gravely with joy.
but an innocent man, leaving his family awaiting, watched and smelled himself dying out like a candle.
Is this a reaction of peaceful Tibetan populace to the "long-term Chinese oppression"? or more likely, from the method,
a cast out feudal baron using tools to repeat his bloody glory?
I wont expect any accusation over this from those fu*king rights group, they've been busying in cutting clips of indian cops beating protesters and putting them right in front of Lahsa riot, in order to make an inspiring video of "Tibetans reacting to chinese high level oppresion".
you can find it on youtube.
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you know, a while ago, i had a debate with someone on how violent muslims are. he wanted to convert to buddhism and head off to its cradle, none other than tibet. gosh if he was here right now.
i just wanted to note that every religion has its violent ends, but islam does have laws for warfare.
i just wanted to note that every religion has its violent ends, but islam does have laws for warfare.
I'm extremely shocked and annoyed by the Free-Tibet atrocity!
with or without eagged by western voices, the Chinese government and the polic have been very restrained to those mobs. but yesterday, under abetment of Free Tibet extremism, mobs,including students began to kill in inland city Chengdu (the one giving birth to JF-17).
Dianxin street,Chengdu, five tibetan mobs, including one student from Southwest Nationalities College, suddenly pulled out rimmer knives hidden under their clothes and hacked randomly at people in the street. meanwhile some of them splashed gasoline at passerby and threw a satchel charge into the crowd.
fortunately the bomb didn't explode and people scampered off all in panic that the mobs failed to emblaze them in the wind.
but, before police arrived and cornered one of the mobs, he'd already killed two young girls with his knife. one at bus station, another one who was boarding a taxi.
Strongly condemn the bloody kill, condemn inhumanities of this so called freedom seekers, condemn the black hand behind the Free Tibet movement,condemn all the hypocrites who are still sh!tting in favor of the violence!
Are these rights of killing,destorying,fire-raising and robbery you're preaching for human?
According to Western standard, the leader of those Tibetan murderers deserve yet another chunk of Nobel Peace Prize.
BS!
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please please remove the pic you have posted.. it is very brutal and many will find this distrubing..
i deeply understand your feelings. this is west conspiracy to brake China! but may Allah bless your country who has always been our true friends.. China will be stronger then ever!
Unfortunately Pakistan seems to be in even worst position! Our President is in a trap set by Zionist controlled Amerika. for the sake of survival of the nation, he allied with the west on their WAR ON TERROR. Musharraf shakes hands with Bush in front of Media to show west that he is with them, but deep inside he knows that this god dam Zionist remote controlled bush is a Satan send from hell! This so called “Democracy” will bring destruction to our country
DONT FOR GET! China is next SUPER POWER!
please please remove the pic you have posted.. it is very brutal and many will find this distrubing..
i deeply understand your feelings. this is west conspiracy to brake China! but may Allah bless your country who has always been our true friends.. China will be stronger then ever!
Unfortunately Pakistan seems to be in even worst position! Our President is in a trap set by Zionist controlled Amerika. for the sake of survival of the nation, he allied with the west on their WAR ON TERROR. Musharraf shakes hands with Bush in front of Media to show west that he is with them, but deep inside he knows that this god dam Zionist remote controlled bush is a Satan send from hell! This so called “Democracy” will bring destruction to our country
DONT FOR GET! China is next SUPER POWER!
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