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Islands don't block the Turkish mainland,merchant ships come and go.

I am not talking about Ships

I am talking about stupid Greek claim
10 km2 Kastellerizo Island located only 2 km away from Turkiye and 580 km from the Greek mainland can not generate a continental shelf area of 40.000 square km

It is neither rational nor in line with international law

what a stupid claim .. there is no any precedent in the world
a tiny Island block mainland and Greeks start EEZ from Islands which 2-5-7 km away from Turkish Mainland

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Greece wants 95% ... still lunatic Greeks calling Turkiye expansionist and maximalist
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Greece is not archipelagic state
Islands can not block mainland to generate EEZ


if Greece is composed entirely of islands, these would give rise to areas of maritime jurisdiction

but Greece is a continental country
and maritime jurisdiction should be based on the mainland ....not islands.

its international law
 
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I am talking about stupid Greek claim
10 km2 Kastellerizo Island located only 2 km away from Turkiye and 580 km from the Greek mainland can not generate a continental shelf area of 40.000 square km

It is neither rational nor in line with international law
It is in line with International Law.



Akritas asked you a question. You didn't reply.



but that a continental country’s ( Greece ) maritime jurisdiction should be based on the mainland, and not islands.
This is Turkish wishful thinking

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What a daydreamer nation jumping to Z from A
Lol,you're avoiding to reply to his question and you blame him?!

He asked you a simple thing: Which law says that? Name and quote the law.
 
Lol,you're avoiding to reply to his question and you blame him?!

He asked you a simple thing: Which law says that? Name and quote the law.

1958 Geneva maritime conventions
1982 UNCLOS


Greece creates its territorial sea border by drawing a straight line between the islands of Crete and Rhodes and has determined the EEZ area as if there is no sea between the islands


Maritime jurisdiction areas should be determined according to

1 -- the principle of equity
The country with the longer coastline should have more maritime jurisdiction area

Greek Islands : 167 km
Turkiye : 1.870 km

Turkiye has the longest coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean


2 -- archipelagic state or not
if Greece is composed entirely of islands, these would give rise to areas of maritime jurisdiction

but Greece is a continental country
and maritime jurisdiction should be based on the mainland ....not islands


3 -- equidistant method

It is not rational for an island, which is 2 km from Turkiye and 580 km from Greece, to create a continental shelf area of 40.000 km2

Island close off the Turkish coastline, are not congruent with the stipulated maritime jurisdiction rights as it covers an area 4,000 times larger than its own landmass


4 -- The Mainlands’ domination over islands
Islands can not cuts off the Turkish mainland to high seas.


maritime boundaries can onlybe delimited by an agreement to be reached by the parties for an equitable result


5 -- The consideration of geographical realities
Turkiye’s geographical superiority with its coastal length as mainland in the
Eastern Mediterranean

Kastellerizo is 10 km2 small Island which represents approximately 0,0015 % of the Turkish mainland

Turkiye is a mainland, having a 2.200 km coastal length and the total population is 85 million
 
No need to waste time with idiots ..... the war will solve the problem as like 1974
Did you see that you cannot argue with political arguments, and directly threaten with war?
Turk, have you only thought about war?
Has it never crossed your mind that a country goes to war only when it needs to defend itself?
What do you think, that we are Turks to invade foreign countries, to kill civilians like you, to do ethnic cleansing?
We are not warlovers and troublemakers like you are.

Lol,you're avoiding to reply to his question and you blame him?!

He asked you a simple thing: Which law says that? Name and quote the law.
And he won't answer either, because he knows he's telling lies and nonsense.
There are no articles and paragraphs in International Law, which is nothing more than UNCLOS, to confirm his ridiculous claims.
e.g., it says that the islands do not have the right to an EEZ, while UNCLOS is clear that they do.

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Did you see that you cannot argue with political arguments, and directly threaten with war?
Turk, have you only thought about war?

if Greeks are so bandit and violate international agreements - international law
then only war can stop you


What do you think, that we are Turks to invade foreign countries, to kill civilians like you, to do ethnic cleansing?

criminal savage Greeks killed civilians ( Turks ) to do ethnic cleansing in Cyprus between 1964 and 1974

stop playing victim role liar Greeks

If the Turkish Armed Forces did not exist, you would not leave a single Turk in Cyprus.
 
And he won't answer either, because he knows he's telling lies and nonsense.

Read liar Greeks Read


1958 Geneva maritime conventions
1982 UNCLOS


Maritime jurisdiction areas should be determined according to

1 -- the principle of equity
The country with the longer coastline should have more maritime jurisdiction area

Greek Islands : 167 km
Turkiye : 1.870 km

Turkiye has the longest coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean
still Greeks wants 95% and only 5% to Turkiye
what a bandit daydreamer mentality


2 -- archipelagic state or not
if Greece is composed entirely of islands, these would give rise to areas of maritime jurisdiction

but Greece is a continental country
and maritime jurisdiction should be based on the mainland ....not islands


3 -- equidistant method

It is not rational for an island, which is 2 km from Turkiye and 580 km from Greece, to create a continental shelf area of 40.000 km2

Island close off the Turkish coastline, are not congruent with the stipulated maritime jurisdiction rights as it covers an area 4,000 times larger than its own landmass


4 -- The Mainlands’ domination over islands
Islands can not cuts off the Turkish mainland to high seas.


maritime boundaries can onlybe delimited by an agreement to be reached by the parties for an equitable result


5 -- The consideration of geographical realities
Turkiye’s geographical superiority with its coastal length as mainland in the
Eastern Mediterranean

Kastellerizo is 10 km2 small Island which represents approximately 0,0015 % of the Turkish mainland

Turkiye is a mainland, having a 2.200 km coastal length and the total population is 85 million



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dont show same BS liar Greeks
show us even one precedent which is similar to stupid Greek claim

-- British Jersey Island could not generate EEZ ( which is 22 km to French mainland )

- Italian islands of Linosa, Lempedusa and Lampione close to Tunisia have only been recognized to have an EEZ within the breadth of their territorial waters



RED
If Malta pursued the same maximalist claims as Greece does, then at least half of the Middle Mediterranean would supposed to be Malta’s EEZ. Malta should have taken off Italy, Tunisia and Libya’s rights.

GREEN
according to the principle of equitability and proportionality, the mainlands’ domination over islands and the consideration of geographical realities found in international law, the EEZ that’s given to Malta by the ICJ and other agreements is shown in green

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1982 UNCLOS
Turkey is not a party to the UNCLOS, as it has officially declared it since 21 June 1995 at the UN, so you have no right to use it as an... example.
And not only do you use it, but you don't tell us which UNCLOS articles support your arguments, as I did in my previous comment.
So who is the liar?
 
Turkey is not a party to the UNCLOS, as it has officially declared it since 21 June 1995 at the UN, so you have no right to use it as an... example.
And not only do you use it, but you don't tell us which UNCLOS articles support your arguments, as I did in my previous comment.
So who is the liar?


Greeks are liars who trying to use UNCLOS to steal oil/gas reserves from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean

go and learn what about international law including 1958 Geneva maritime conventions


only stupid Greek claim can say 10km2 tiny Island cutts off 783.000 km2 Turkish mainland
 
1958 Geneva maritime conventions
1982 UNCLOS
"While drawn from a number of international customs, treaties, and agreements, modern law of the sea derives largely from the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), effective since 1994, which is generally accepted as a codification of customary international law of the sea, and is sometimes regarded as the "constitution of the oceans".[2][3]"

You do not recognize the Law of the Sea as a country.

Maritime jurisdiction areas should be determined according to

1 -- the principle of equity
The country with the longer coastline should have more maritime jurisdiction area

Greek Islands : 167 km
Turkiye : 1.870 km

Turkiye has the longest coastline in the Eastern Mediterranean
still Greeks wants 95% and only 5% to Turkiye
what a bandit daydreamer mentality


2 -- archipelagic state or not
if Greece is composed entirely of islands, these would give rise to areas of maritime jurisdiction

but Greece is a continental country
and maritime jurisdiction should be based on the mainland ....not islands


3 -- equidistant method

It is not rational for an island, which is 2 km from Turkiye and 580 km from Greece, to create a continental shelf area of 40.000 km2

Island close off the Turkish coastline, are not congruent with the stipulated maritime jurisdiction rights as it covers an area 4,000 times larger than its own landmass


4 -- The Mainlands’ domination over islands
Islands can not cuts off the Turkish mainland to high seas.


maritime boundaries can onlybe delimited by an agreement to be reached by the parties for an equitable result


5 -- The consideration of geographical realities
Turkiye’s geographical superiority with its coastal length as mainland in the
Eastern Mediterranean

Kastellerizo is 10 km2 small Island which represents approximately 0,0015 % of the Turkish mainland

Turkiye is a mainland, having a 2.200 km coastal length and the total population is 85 million
What's the source of this? Give links,quotes and screenshots.

if Greeks are so bandit and violate international agreements - international law
then only war can stop you
As you can see,we haven't violated any international agreement. We abide by the International Law of the Sea.

criminal savage Greeks killed civilians ( Turks ) to do ethnic cleansing in Cyprus between 1964 and 1974

stop playing victim role liar Greeks

If the Turkish Armed Forces did not exist, you would not leave a single Turk in Cyprus.
Your assumptions are irrelevant.

Every time that you are pushed in a corner and have no valid arguments,you try to derail the subject by going back to old and irrelevant events.

Greeks are liars who trying to use UNCLOS to steal oil/gas reserves from the Turks in the Eastern Mediterranean

go and learn what about international law including 1958 Geneva maritime conventions
We are "liars" because you can't handle the truth? It's not our problem you didn't sign UNCLOS and sit down to settle the EEZ with us. By international law,THIS IS OUR EEZ and therefor it's Turkey who is trying to steal OUR reserves.

You prefer to mention 1958 Geneva maritime conventions (which you probably just googled) and yet ignore the far more recent and better established UNCLOS?

only stupid Greek claim can say 10km2 tiny Island cutts off 783.000 km2 Turkish mainland
No,apparently only you claim that this is "stupid". Everybody else on the planet is ok with it.
 
We are "liars" because you can't handle the truth? It's not our problem you didn't sign UNCLOS and sit down to settle the EEZ with us. By international law,THIS IS OUR EEZ and therefor it's Turkey who is trying to steal OUR reserves.

Your Islands can not cutt off Turkish mainland

I show you other examples in the world


-- British Jersey Island could not generate EEZ ( which is 22 km to French mainland )

- Italian islands of Linosa, Lempedusa and Lampione close to Tunisia have only been recognized to have an EEZ within the breadth of their territorial waters

and MALTA


now you show us even one precedent which is similar to stupid Greek claim


Maritime jurisdiction areas should be determined according to

The principle of equity
Archipelagic state or not
Equidistant method
The Mainlands’ domination over islands
The consideration of geographical realities


Greece dreaming about 95% and only 5% to Turkiye
because a tiny Island .. what a lunatic daydreamer nation

keep dreaming with stupid Greek claim and 10 km2 tiny Kastellarizo Island

Nobody can enter Turkish EEZ for drilling
 
Your Islands can not cutt off Turkish mainland

I show you other examples in the world


-- British Jersey Island could not generate EEZ ( which is 22 km to French mainland )

- Italian islands of Linosa, Lempedusa and Lampione close to Tunisia have only been recognized to have an EEZ within the breadth of their territorial waters

and MALTA


now you show us even one precedent which is similar to stupid Greek claim


Maritime jurisdiction areas should be determined according to

The principle of equity
Archipelagic state or not
Equidistant method
The Mainlands’ domination over islands
The consideration of geographical realities


Greece dreaming about 95% and only 5% to Turkiye
because a tiny Island .. what a lunatic daydreamer nation

keep dreaming with stupid Greek claim and 10 km2 tiny Kastellarizo Island

Nobody can enter Turkish EEZ for drilling
Why do you avoid to reply to our questions?
 
Erdogan might want a small scale war or an incident,that will force the Greek government into accepting some or all of Turkey's demands. You are fixed on America,while the problem has nothing to do with the Americans.
I'm not blindly fixating on America. I'm just tracing the tension to its roots. Greece is clearly doing things now that it hasn't done just a decade ago, such as arming some islands, despite no imminent threat of invasion from Turkey. Aside from America's influence, what other reasons made the Greeks take these provocative steps?
What exactly is the "Greek problem" according to you?
The Greek problem is just the land, dimilitarization, and maritime disputes with Turkey. The U.S. would typically take advantage of an existing dispute or resurrect one to spark a war it wants. If we take back the Middle East, an oil embargo on Europe is all that it'll take to make them resolve the Grecco-Turkish dispute peacefully.
And what are you talking about "liberating Muslim lands under neocolonial occupation"? Are you some kind of pan-Islamist,who thinks that all Muslim countries should have a mullah regime or something?
When you explain how and why the U.S. came to the Middle East, when they were supposed to leave and why they haven't left, whether their invasion of Iraq was legit, their instigation of coups and revolutions in Muslim countries, then I'll give you a befiting answer.
1.Why would Sisi's "regime" fall?
Because the Muslim Brotherhood youth of Egypt have been radicalized by Sisi's blanket oppression (says several U.S. think tanks). Because Sisi is very unpopular in Egypt. People fear him, not love him. He's got supporters among the Copts and hypocrites, but these are minorities. A faction of Egypt's military vowed to protect demonstrators in the streets. Sisi's crack down took them by surprise but a repeat is unlikely even if Sisi ordered it. There are so many reasons why Sisi will easily fall if there's a stable MB government in Libya.
2.What makes you think stable democracy in Libya equals MB rule?
Libya's religious establishment is largely against Haftar (Research statements of Libya's Grand Muftis). Almost all civilian Libyan prime ministers since 2011 have been accused of being MB supporters or sympathizers or even members. A majority of the Sunni Muslim world is pro-Erdogan, including almost ALL Arab countries, including Libya. Neither the U.S. nor Europe or the GCC want democracy in Libya or in any Muslim country. Why? They know political Islam will take power just like it did in Turkey and Pakistan. Support for Israel or America can only happen in mornachical or dictatorial regimes in Muslim countries. In a democracy, it'd be political suicide for any president or prime minister. I could go on and on and on.
3.How did you draw the conclusion that a potential Egyptian intervention in Libya will result in failure? The Egyptians might as well sweep everything and restore the House of Representatives as a unifying legal government in Libya.
The short answer is that Sisi refused to order his troops into Libya despite the existantial threat to his regime should Islamic democracy succeed in Libya. The long answer is that:
The performance of Egyptian soldiers in the Sinai reveals serious capability gaps.
Turkey's military support for the GNA
Little domestic support for the war in Egypt
Bitter anti-Sisi sentiments among GNA forces and high levels of motivation to fight him
Inability of the U.S. to invade Libya in support of Haftar and Egypt cos doing that will be political suicide for Haftar (Libyans hate America). Secondly, the U.S. president has to explain to the Americans why U.S. bodybags are emanating from Libya. It's a democracy and never threatened America, so why fight the GNA (which is considered Libya's government?). However, the U.S. will give covert support to Egypt.
Egyptian soldiers aren't motivated to fight their Libyan neighbours and brothers
What bait?! Erdogan's the one who is threatening with war every day! The Turkish government has been following a warmongering rhetoric for 4 years now. You are clueless of the events and think that USA is orchestrating things,by pushing Greece to provoke Turkey. Have you been reading TRT and/or other pro-AKP Turkish media?
I don't derive my conclusions from reading someone's articles or news content. I do a lot of reading, research, observation, and critical thinking to arrive at conclusions. THE U.S. IS INSTIGATING A GRECCO-TURKISH WAR TO SAVE ITS MIDDLE EASTERN PUPPETS! That's my conclusion from researching the Miditerranean disputes.
No event is isolated today, especially in or near the Middle East. Disputes are inter-connected and multinational. There's a struggle in the Muslim world to topple pro-Western monarchies and replace them with pro-Muslim democracies (Saudi, U.A.E., Bahrain, Egypt, etc.). Turkey is spear-heading it. To deal with this threat, the U.S. must neutralize Turkey's military and economic power. The U.S. tried a color revolution but failed. The coup attempt also failed and led to the almost total elimination of Western agents in the Turkish military, police, and intelligence agencies. They also attempted to spark a war between Turkey and Russia in Syria, this also failed. Their next move now is to help political opposition win in Turkey, which is very unlikely to succeed. The one last option that could work, short of a Western invasion of Turkey, is to spark a Grecco-Turkish war to divert Turkey's attention away from the Muslim world, weaken its military and economy. This will save their puppets in the Muslim world, and therefore, the petrodollar world order.
The tension has always been there,but Erdogan took it to another level the last 5-6 years and especially since 2019.
So the tensions escalated after 2016. Does that ring any bell on your mind?
It wasn't the fault of American weapons,but other factors such as poor training and incompetence on behalf of the Saudi crews,their alert level,the attack direction of the UAVs etc.
U.S. weapons can't intercept anything except by almost pure luck. I don't want to debate this in this thread. We could talk about it in a different thread. However, in addition to Yemen, you could observe the Ukraine war closely as it will reveal this fact to the world.
 
I am not talking about Ships

I am talking about stupid Greek claim
10 km2 Kastellerizo Island located only 2 km away from Turkiye and 580 km from the Greek mainland can not generate a continental shelf area of 40.000 square km

It is neither rational nor in line with international law

what a stupid claim .. there is no any precedent in the world
a tiny Island block mainland and Greeks start EEZ from Islands which 2-5-7 km away from Turkish Mainland

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Greece wants 95% ... still lunatic Greeks calling Turkiye expansionist and maximalist
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Greece is not archipelagic state
Islands can not block mainland to generate EEZ


if Greece is composed entirely of islands, these would give rise to areas of maritime jurisdiction

but Greece is a continental country
and maritime jurisdiction should be based on the mainland ....not islands.

its international law
Don't bother arguing this. It's clear for all to see that the Greek claim is only meant to provoke Turkey into taking some military action that spark a war. The U.S. is behind this cos it wants to weaken Turkey militarily and economically as it's doing to Russia via Ukraine. This is the only way, short of invasion, that the U.S. could save its puppets in the Middle East and the petrodollar world order. It's not about Greece or the mediterranean. It's about the region and the Muslim world.
 
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