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Why Indians are supporting Israel? when their own Leader Mahatma Gandhi was in favour of Palestine.

So whatever Gandhi said was only for the time he lived in .....?
I have a doubt too, do PAK follow what Quaid-i-Azam had to say about the country he fought for ?? is his vision of Pakistan still being worked upon ?? Think About It.
 
During this whole conflict my perspectives on this issue have changed.I do belive now that Isreal has gone overboard, i also belive that this issue where more palestine citizens have died than those in MH370 has not recieved the same resposse from the west.I firmly believe now that Israel does have the murder of innocent citizens due to their retaliation for those two teenagers death.I am hating Israel right now, truth be told.Religion aside,the number of dead is scaring,depressing and anger swells up within me on how mighty powers deal arrogently,act above law and value their dead much much higher than those of others.Now, You ask me what should be the individual reaction of India.Can we lose an ally to what is clearly the right moral cause now.This is the question that nations,leaders have throughout faced in their decision.Now, I believe practically speaking we have taken the right decision(we have not supported them,just have not commented on the issue), morally speaking the wrong one.I am not ashamed of my nation for doing so......every nation around the world does that.Let it be pakistan,china,U.S,Arab states,E.U.We have looked for our intrests albeit in the wrong moral lane.
 
We have sympathy for Palestine but national interests come first.

We will take no sides, we have ties with both of them and will not choose one over other.
 
Unlike some others we dont create our foreign policy on the basis of emotion or the sole opinion of our nations father.
Does any try to check the year he wrote that letter ?Its 1938.
Geoplitics changed a lot since then.
We create our foreign policy only on the basis of our national interest and priority. Our present stance ensure our national interest.It is true we can pressure Israelis through our own methods.But we dont do that or need that.
It is noone of our business.GCC and Palestine oftenly back stabbed by interefer in our internal matters.
Still we supported them.
But a neutral stance ensure our national interest.
And we dont interfere in war in ME even in the future.
Gandhi couldnt show an absolute Dharma.And also commited some mistake like Bhagat Singh.
 
Israel has illegal settlement over gaza,India has illegal settlement over Kashmir, how can't they not support each other?

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Mouselini supported Hitler
Churchill supported Stalin

India doesn't gain much from Israel. Indians support Israel because one mass murderer/occupier of Muslims in Kashmir shares its love for killing Muslims with another mass murderer/occupier of Muslims in Palestine.

Both have a similar pseudo secular, religiously motivated fascist ideology, for Hindutva is an Indianized version of Zionism.

Both states seek an apartheid. Zionists seek a 'Jewish state', Hindutvadasis seek a 'Hinduvansh'.

Both states have racially motivated demographic engineering aspirations. Zionists want a 'Jewish majotity state', the Hindutvadasis desire a 'Hindu majority state'.

Both states have fear of the 'other'. Zionists are deporting the 'illegal niggers', Hindutvadasis are deporting the 'illegal Bengali invaders.'

Both states want to displace massive population to deprive them of their natural resources. Zionists seek Gaza's gas fields, Hindutvadasis seek natural resources of the Maoist 'terrorists'.

Zionists and Hindutvadasis are a match made in heavens, similar hegemonic mindset, similar policies, common Islamophobia, common racist vision, common militarism, common arrogance that comes with being an occupier underpims this Hindutva Zionist marriage.

I'll leave these thoughts with you... Peace

What an utter truck load BS.
Now you are talking like some stupid commie.
Israel is already an established jewish state.India is still follow Secularism.
Rest of your allegiations is look like some uneducated preacher.
 
The question itself sound idiotic. Indians are not obliged to follow each and every words of Gandhi even if he was correct in his assessment about Israel-Palestine conflict . He was proven horribly wrong in his own life time only and a matured state's foreign policy is not dictated by one man's opinion.

Very well put.
 
Well I have seen many Indians on this forum which are in favour of Israel, except for few. So I am posting this article "The Jews in Palestine" by Mahatma Ghandhi Published in 26-11-1938
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Several letters have been received by me, asking me to declare my views about the Arab-Jew question in Palestine and the persecution of the Jews in Germany. It is not without hesitation that I venture to offer my views on this very difficult question.

My sympathies are all with the Jews. I have known them intimately in South Africa. Some of them became lifelong companions. Through these friends I came to learn much of their age long persecution. They have been the untouchables of Christianity. The parallel between their treatment by Christians and the treatment of untouchables by Hindus is very close.

Religious sanction has been invoked in both cases for the justification of the inhuman treatment meted out to them. Apart from the friendships, therefore, there is the more common universal reason for my sympathy for the Jews. But my sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice.

The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me. The sanction for it is sought in the Bible and the tenacity with which the Jews have hankered after return to Palestine.

Why should they not, like other peoples of the earth, make that country their home where they are born and where they earn their livelihood? Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home. The nobler course would be to insist on a just treatment of the Jews wherever they are born and bred. The Jews born in France are French in precisely the same sense that Christians born in France are French.

If the Jews have no home but Palestine, will they relish the idea of being forced to leave the other parts of the world in which they are settled? Or do they want a double home where they can remain at will? This cry for the national home affords a colorable justification for the German expulsion of the Jews. But the German persecution of the Jews seems to have no parallel in history. The tyrants of old never went so mad as Hitler seems to have gone. And he is doing it with religious zeal. For, he is propounding a new religion of exclusive and militant nationalism in the name of which any inhumanity becomes an act of humanity to be rewarded here and hereafter.

The crime of an obviously mad but intrepid youth is being visited upon his wholerace with unbelievable ferocity. If there ever could be a justifiable war in the name of and for humanity, a war against Germany to prevent the wanton persecution of a whole race, would be completely justified. But I do not believe in any war. A discussion of the pros and cons of such a war is, therefore, outside my horizon or province.

But if there can be no war against Germany, even for such a crime as is being committed against the Jews, surely there can be no alliance with Germany. How can there be alliance between a nation, which claims to stand for justice and democracy and one, which is the declared enemy of both? Or is England drifting towards armed dictatorship and all it means?

Germany is showing to the world how efficiently violence can be worked when it is not hampered by any hypocrisy or weakness masquerading as humanitarianism.It is also showing how hideous, terrible and terrifying it looks in its nakedness.Can the Jews resist this organized and shameless persecution? Is there a way to preserve their self-respect, and not to feel helpless, neglected and forlorn? I submit there is. No person who has faith in a living God need feel helpless or forlorn. Jehovah of the Jews is a God more personal than the God of the Christians, the Mussalmans or the Hindus, though as a matter of fact, in essence, He is common to all and one without a second and beyond description. But as the Jews attribute personality to God and believe that He rules every action of theirs, they ought not to feel helpless.

If I were a Jew and were born in Germany and earned my livelihood there, I would claim Germany as my home even as the tallest gentile German might, and challenge him to shoot me or cast me in the dungeon; I would refuse to be expelled or to submit to discriminating treatment. And for doing this I should not wait for! the fellow Jews to join me in civil resistance, but would have confidence that in the end the rest were bound to follow my example....

And now a word to the Jews in Palestine. I have no doubt that they are going about it in the wrong way. The Palestine of the Biblical conception is not a geographical tract. It is in their hearts. But if they must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs. They should seek to convert the Arab heart.

The same God rules the Arab heart who rules the Jewish heart... They will find the world opinion in their favor in their religious aspiration. There are hundreds of ways of reasoning with the Arabs, if they will only discard the help of the British bayonet. As it is, they are co-sharers with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them. I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non-violence in resisting what they rightly regarded as an unwarrantable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds.

Let the Jews who claim to be the chosen race prove their title by choosing the way of non-violence for vindicating their position on earth. Every country is their home, including Palestine, not by aggression but by loving service. A Jewish friend has sent me a book called The Jewish Contribution to Civilization by Cecil Roth. It gives a record of what the Jews have done to enrich the world's literature, art, music, drama, science, medicine, agriculture, etc. Given the will, the Jew can refuse to be treated as the outcast of the West, to be despised or patronized. He can command the attention and respect of the world by being the chosen creation of God, instead of sinking to the brute who is forsaken by God. They can add to their many contributions the surpassing contribution of non-violent action.

The Jews In Palestine By Mahatma Gandhi
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So I would like to know, Indians? why are you supporting Israel? :rofl: o_O

Your Qaid e Azam considered Ahmedis as Muslims, how many of you in favour and support your Qaid's views. o_O
 
It is the individual choice of people to support or oppose whichever party they see fit.

We are not about to be lectured by people whose heroes are the worst bigots in history, who perpetrated genocide/rapine/slavery/forced conversions on their own ancestors.

We are fundamentally different from people whose heroes are the likes of Timur/Gaznavi/Ghori/MBQ all of whom peprpetrated massive atrocities on Pakistanis' ancestors.

Gandhi made many errors of judgement including supporting Khilafat because he thought that would help unite Hindus and Muslims. He was the only non Muslim leader of a Jihad in history.

He supported Mopalahs after they went berserk and perpetrated massive atrocities/rapine/butchery of Hindus during the Khilafat period. He opposed the British for suppressing the atrocity and called that scum "my brave Mopalas".

So while he was a great man in many ways, he made some grave mistakes s well. He was only a human being after all.
 
Unlike some others we dont create our foreign policy on the basis of emotion or the sole opinion of our nations father.
Does any try to check the year he wrote that letter ?Its 1938.
Geoplitics changed a lot since then.
We create our foreign policy only on the basis of our national interest and priority. Our present stance ensure our national interest.It is true we can pressure Israelis through our own methods.But we dont do that or need that.
It is noone of our business.GCC and Palestine oftenly back stabbed by interefer in our internal matters.
Still we supported them.
But a neutral stance ensure our national interest.
And we dont interfere in war in ME even in the future.
Gandhi couldnt show an absolute Dharma.And also commited some mistake like Bhagat Singh.


Rightly said..

No need of enforcing an individual opinion against national interest...
gandhiji always enforced his belief rather than national intereset....

hardly u get friends who helps you in tough times....
 
So thats how you view the conflict- through religious lens- Islamophobic
It was the Hamas that gave a religious picture to this resistant movements.We cant see any Palestine christians or others in this movement.Hamas are irresponsible idiots that why even Arab countries stay away from this issue.
 
I have a doubt too, do PAK follow what Quaid-i-Azam had to say about the country he fought for ?? is his vision of Pakistan still being worked upon ?? Think About It.
Who is asking, Subraminem Swamy ?
 
Your Qaid e Azam considered Ahmedis as Muslims, how many of you in favour and support your Qaid's views. o_O
I don't support it because it is against our religion. At that time Jinnah wanted to gather as much people as he can for the freedom movement. If he called Ahmedis Non-Muslims, about 10% of people which were in favour of creating a separate country could easily begun to oppose. So he was a Genius man, :p: LOVE YOU QUAID...!!
 
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