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Am I Pakistani or am I Indian ?

You're a Pakistani with Lucknowite roots - What is ever so complicated about that that you can't seem to figure out what you are ? :crazy:
Yep! It's like having the cake and eating it too! So what's the problem?
 
Moral of the story @Areesh @HRK @Secur - Don't take Indian brides warnaa I'd have a lot of explaining to do to my yet-to-be-born nieces & nephews about whether they're Pakistanis or Indians ! :unsure:

Unless of course they are Pro-Pakistan Kashmiri brides ! :smokin:

But if they're Pro-Independence Kashmiris tou :mad:

What about manzoor-e-nazars in that category? Specifically of Butt heritage? I can testify to their skills:pleasantry:
 
(lucky if you made it safely and Hindu terrorists did not burn you alive in the train), to reporting every day to the Police station, to restricted visits of only one city, will be more than enough to remove any of the freakin doubts about your origins.
Sydeali,Please stop this BS,how many Pakistanis have been burned alive in the trains in the last decade,do let us know.Infact It is Pakistan which is becoming a unsafe place after the suicide attacks by the Taliban,the attacks on the Lankan cricket team,the attacks on the 15 International mountain climbers.
 
What a self-centred sob story! Talks about the 9 hour transit in Dubai as if she was stranded in the middle of the Arabian desert with no oasis in sight. :lol:
 
The strain on the lady who married in 1990 & is stretched between two lands is understandable.

Unless its a love marriage, why do parents do this ? Don't they realise the strain they put their children to by such cross border alliances ?


Am I Pakistani, or am I Indian? – The Express Tribune

My existence has been wrought by a perpetual state of identity crisis that reaches its pinnacle on August 14 every year. Before the green flags flying at full mast on the flagpoles lining Karachi’s Clifton beach, fluttering atop government buildings and state cars; the green fairy lights; the green paper banners speckled with crescents and stars — the patriotic spirit within me is pervaded with guilt that stems from a cloistered, well-hidden shard of my soul that struggles to identify with Pakistan, that yearns for family and loved ones that have been wrenched apart by a border, which has broken and battered the hearts of many.

My family identifies themselves as speakers of Urdu, natives of Lucknow. Its choice of identity tends to raise eyebrows within our parochial society and sends muffled whispers rippling through crowds. What throws me into a bigger conundrum — and is perhaps, the root cause of my state of disarray — is my mother’s cancelled Indian passport. Born and bred in Mumbai, she married my father — a Pakistani — in 1990 and moved to Karachi where she surrendered her Indian citizenship once I was born in 1994.

Our preference for an identity that binds us to our Indian roots is primarily associated with the fact that unlike most Indian families that migrated to Pakistan at or post-Partition, my family voluntarily chose not to. And although my great-grandfather, Chaudhry Azimuddin Ashraf of Barabanki, was closely associated with Maulana Abdul Bari of Firangi Mahal, who had ties with the Muslim League, the need to migrate to Pakistan never arose, primarily because, in the words of my paternal grandmother, “We were content and prosperous. Migrating to Pakistan only meant losing all our land, wealth and prestige and starting all over again on a blank slate.”

More than three-quarters of my extended family resides in India and the rest are abroad. We travel to India almost every year and struggle our way through the prolonged and tedious visa process for Pakistanis. In 2003, we endured a nine-hour transit in Dubai with a three-month-old in tow, as direct flights between India and Pakistan had been cancelled and our only option was to travel to Delhi via Dubai — a two-hour flight elongated and brutally stretched into a 24-hour journey. Since the age of three, I have watched my mother painstakingly fill out Indian visa forms every year. And year after year, she faces the challenges and invisible barriers that make travelling to the country where she was born and bred, an urge in despair. I have seen her dejection when she talks about her severed mobility to where her twin and younger sisters live and meet often and miss her as much as she misses them, and to where her aging mother resides alone in a palatial home where once peals of melodious laughter filled the summer air and now, emptiness sinks into nooks and corners — the tormenting consequence of distance.

For my family, the border between India and Pakistan has borne nothing but tears and heartaches. Our identity as Pakistanis has been an impediment to family unions and our choice to identify ourselves as speakers of Urdu and natives of Lucknow — holding on to the fraying strings that represent our past, almost refusing to come to terms with reality — is an element of insignificant consequence.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 15th, 2014.

A Pakistani of North Indian Origin,what's s confusing about this
 
the title is misleading but the story is very true for people who wants to be in touch with their family members who live on other side of border.
may be we should work on some visa policy that will allow easy movement of people who got family ties. That has to be mutual of course.
I would assume its much easier for bangladeshis @BDforever am I right?
 
Sydeali,Please stop this BS,how many Pakistanis have been burned alive in the trains in the last decade,do let us know.Infact It is Pakistan which is becoming a unsafe place after the suicide attacks by the Taliban,the attacks on the Lankan cricket team,the attacks on the 15 International mountain climbers.

Well terrorist attacks have decreased in Pakistan in year 2014 so your bullsh!t that Pakistan is getting unsafe.

All the incidents that you mentioned happened in the past and don't change or hide the fact that dozens of Pakistanis were burnt in the trains alive. That murder has happened and it happened in the past decade. So @syedali73 point is valid and not BS.
 
no need to be critical members. for most roti, kapada and makan are more important than nationalism/jingoism.
 
Well terrorist attacks have decreased in Pakistan in year 2014 so your bullsh!t that Pakistan is getting unsafe.

All the incidents that you mentioned happened in the past and don't change or hide the fact that dozens of Pakistanis were burnt in the trains alive. That murder has happened and it happened in the past decade. So @syedali73 point is valid and not BS.

If syedali is right,then why he is not replying in the first place,did anyone stopped him.

How much terrorist attacks have decreased in the 2014,do let me know.first the Karachi airport attack,the military operation(Zarb E Adab) in Wazirstan & now the Quetta airport attack.

Record number of Pakistanis visited India last year | Page 14
 
That is why I am against such marriages, only Indo-Pak marriages that succeed in the long run are overseas marriages.
 
If syedali is right,then why he is not replying in the first place,did anyone stopped him.

How much terrorist attacks have decreased in the 2014,do let me know.first the Karachi airport attack,the military operation(Zarb E Adab) in Wazirstan & now the Quetta airport attack.

Record number of Pakistanis visited India last year | Page 14

Quetta airport attack was successfully thwarted. Disappointing for most Indians I know. I don't need to tell you anything. The number of major attacks in the year 2010 or 2011 were far more as compared to attacks this year. Even you are trying to add a military operation in the list of terror attacks to add some material to your post.

As for record number of Pakistanis visiting India again don't change the fact dozens of Pakistanis were burnt alive in India.
 
Quetta airport attack was successfully thwarted. Disappointing for most Indians I know. I don't need to tell you anything. The number of major attacks in the year 2010 or 2011 were far more as compared to attacks this year. Even you are trying to add a military operation in the list of terror attacks to add some material to your post. As for record number of Pakistanis visiting India again don't change the fact dozens of Pakistanis were burnt alive in India.

Why should Indians get disappointed,another day another airport attack. The terrorist will do they jobs,we indians have nothing to worry.In both the cases the attackers were Uzbekis
U r a statistican,the number of major attacks have decreased,I see. Still there r 4 months to go,what if the number of attacks increases. U r talking like a kid,u lack maturity in the first place
Lastly why r pakistanis visiting India in large numbers,do u have any answer.U r talking of dozens of Pakistanis burnt,on the other hand the Taliaban & TTP have killed more then thousands of people every year.
 
Stupid and confused people. If you are born in Pakistan you are Pakistani, plain and simple. If your parents chose to live in Pakistan over India, they too are Pakistani. If you are too confused, pay a visit to your relatives in India. From getting the visa stamp to reach to India (lucky if you made it safely and Hindu terrorists did not burn you alive in the train), to reporting every day to the Police station, to restricted visits of only one city, will be more than enough to remove any of the freakin doubts about your origins.
I met some pakistani in train. I did not put them on fire :D but i felt them burning :lol:
 
Why should Indians get disappointed,another day another airport attack. The terrorist will do they jobs,we indians have nothing to worry.In both the cases the attackers were Uzbekis
U r a statistican,the number of major attacks have decreased,I see. Still there r 4 months to go,what if the number of attacks increases. U r talking like a kid,u lack maturity in the first place
Lastly why r pakistanis visiting India in large numbers,do u have any answer.U r talking of dozens of Pakistanis burnt,on the other hand the Taliaban & TTP have killed more then thousands of people every year.

Indians are disappointed that the attack was fail. Even I can see the disappointment in your post. The way you are wishing for more attacks by terrorists is a sigh of your disappointment.

About 4 months. Good that you accepted the attacks have gone down but again due to your disappointment with TTP you wished that they might go u again in just 4 months. For that I would say. Keep wishing kid. We would love to disappoint you in the future too.

Still you can't deny or change the fact that Pakistanis were killed by burning them alive in trains in India. You can keep coming with BS like TTP kills more Pakistanis just like Maoists kills more Indians but that doesn't hide an incident that happened in India. So the point we made earlier still stands true.
 
Indians are disappointed that the attack was fail. Even I can see the disappointment in your post. The way you are wishing for more attacks by terrorists is a sigh of your disappointment. Still you can't deny or change the fact that Pakistanis were killed by burning them alive in trains in India. You can keep coming with BS like TTP kills more Pakistanis just like Maoists kills more Indians but that doesn't hide an incident that happened in India. So the point we made earlier still stands true.

U must be a highly retarded person,what if the the attacks increases next year,what will u do then. I have literally nothing to do with the terrorist attacks happening in yr country.The terroist were Uzbeikis. Lastly why r Pakistanis cricket matches played in some other countries
 

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