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Sindhi Language History

Culture

Sindh is a repository of varied cultural values and has remained the seat of civilization and meeting point of diverse cultures from times immemorial. Sindh’s cultural life has been shaped, to a large extent, by its comparative isolation in the past from the rest of the subcontinent. A long stretch of desert to its east and a mountainous terrain to the west served as barriers, while the Arabian Sea in the south and the Indus in the north prevented easy access.

As a result, the people of Sindh developed their own exclusive artistic tradition. Their arts and craft, music and literature, games and sports have retained their original flavor. Sindh is rich in exquisite pottery, variegated glazed tiles, lacquer-work, leather and straw products, needlework, quilts, embroidery, hand print making and textile design. According to renowned European historian H.T. Sorelay, Sindhis had not only contributed to literature but also to astronomy, medicine, philosophy, dialectics and similar subjects.

Genuine love for fellow beings, large heartedness and hospitality constitute the very spirit of Sindhi culture and it is the association of the cultural elements that elevate it and keep aloft its banner among the contemporary cultures of South-Asia. Having lived for centuries under the changing sway of various dynasties i.e. the Arabs, Mughals, Arghuns, Turkhans and Soomras, Sammahs, Kalhoras and Talpurs, Sindhi culture is a fusion of multiple culture patterns.

Origins

Sindhi language has evolved over a period of two millennia; with many waves of invasions by Greeks, Arabs, Arghuns, Tarkhans, Seythians, Turks, Mughals and so on. Sindh, on the north west of undivided India, had always been the first to bear the onslaught of the never-ending invaders, and as such absorbed Hindi, Persian, Arabic, Turkish, English and even Portuguese. The language of the people of Sindh has a solid base of Prakrit and Sanskrit, showing great susceptibility towards borrowings from Arabic, Persian, and Dravidian (such as Brahui in Baluchistan).

Sindh was the seat of the ancient Indus valley civilization during the third millennium BC as discovered from the Moen-jo-Daro excavation. The pictographic seals and clay tablets obtained from these excavations still await proper decipherment by epigraphists. For more about the Language of Mohenjodaro: click here.

The Sindhi parlance has witnessed a transition over the years and there are varying theories related to the ancestry of the language. Historians working hard to fathom the origin of the language have varying conclusions to offer.

Facts and discoveries of Sindhi parlances over the years have launched a debate about the Sindhi language being a derivative of the ancient Sanskrit dialect and there a few historians who believe that it's the other way round. Dr Ernest Trumpp was the pioneer of the theory that Sindhi is a derivative of Sanskrit language. Judging from its vocabulary and roots of verbs, Dr Trumpp came to the conclusion that "Sindhi is a pure Sanskritical language, more free from foreign elements than any of the North Indian vernaculars."

The Rev. Mr.G. Shirt of Hyderabad, one of the first Sindhi scholars, considered that the language is probably, so far as its grammatical construction is concerned, the purest daughter of Sanskrit. It has small sprinkling of Dravidian words, and has in later times received large accessions to its vocabulary from Arabic and Persian.

Hindu scholars Dr. H M Gurbaxani and Berumal Maharchand Advani agreed with the concept. But Miss Popati Hiranandani in her book 'Sindhis: The scattered treasure' (pg6) has an interesting deliberation to this theory. According to her some scholars confused the words prakrita (meaning=natural) with the word purakrita (meaning - formed first), which misled them. In the same way, she says, due to affinity towards Hinduism, litterateurs like Kishinchand Jetley translated a couplet from Sindhi poet Shah Abdul Latif's poetry into Sanskrit and concluded that the similarity shows the derivation of Sindhi from Sanskrit. She rightly argues that it could be the other way round too and cites two authorities to elucidate this point. One is Siraj-ul-Haq of Pakistan who states:

"The history of Sindhi is older than that of Sanskrit and its related civilization or culture are derived from the civilization or culture of Sindh and from Sindhi language…Sanskrit is born of Sindhi - if not directly, at least indirectly."

The other is an Indian linguist, S Kandappan who says:

"Sindhi is one of the ancient languages. I say it is the most ancient languages, I know it has got its origin even before Sanskrit in the country…."

Interestingly, after further studies Dr Trumpp himself seemed to be doubtful about his findings. Testimonies to this are the remarks in one of his work of arts:

"Sindhi has remained steady in the first stage of decomposition after the old Prakrit, where all other cognate dialects have sunk some degrees deeper and we shall see in the course of our introductory remarks that rule, which the Prakrit grammarian, Kramdishvara has laid down in reference to the Apabramsha, are still recognizable in present day Sindhi, which by no means can be stated of the other dialects. The Sindhi has thus become an independent language, which, though sharing a common origin with its sister tongues, is very materially different from them."

Dr Trumpp's initial theory was first challenged by Dr. Nabibux Baloch. He believes that Sindhi belongs to the Semitic group. Mr. Ali Nawaz Jatoi holds the same view. They point out that there are some words in Sindhi that cannot be found in Sanskrit. Besides, the suffixes added to the pronouns in Sindhi suggest its relation with Semitic languages. The word 'Sanskrit' itself denotes that it is a polished or refined form of a language that was already prevalent. The grammarians Patanjali and Panini formed rules and regulations, which came to be necessarily, and compulsorily followed by writers and poets of those days. Thus, Sanskrit was only the language of literature as is evident from works of classical writers. Dr Baloch states:

"Sindhi is an ancient Indo-Aryan language, probably having its origin in a pre-Sanskrit Indo-Aryan Indus Valley language. The Lahnda and Kashmiri appear to be its cognate sisters with a common Dardic element in them all."

Sir George Grierson too places Sindhi as a near relative of the Dardic languages. (Dardistan is a region near Kashmir).

Literature

Sindh is where Persian and Indian cultures blended, for the area was introduced to Islam in 712AD. Thus, very little of Sindhi literature of the earlier period has survived. The Summara and Summa periods are virtually blank except for the few poems of Hamad, Raju and Isack. The heroic ballads of this period set to music by Shah Abdul Karim (1538-1625) are the earliest records of the Sindhi language.

Real flourish of Sindhi poetic talent came during the last stages of the 18th century. Although the time was not appropriate for cultural developments as invaders repeatedly plundered the country during this period. Several works like Shah Abdul Latif's Shah-Jo-Rasalo, the magnum opus of Sindhi literature, were produced.

It describes the life of a common man, the sorrows and sufferings of the ill-starred heroes of ancient folklore. Sachal, another eminent, poet closely followed Shah Abdul Karim. He was a Sufi rebel poet who did not adhere to any religion and denounced religious radicals. The poet Saami was a complete contrast to Kari, more pious than poetical, yet possessing a charm of his own. There was an excess of songsters in Sindhi who recited similar ideas and themes in varied tones. The notables among them are Bedil, his son Bekas, and Dalpat. Gul Mohamad introduced Persian forms of poetry replacing the native baits and Kafees. Mirza Kaleech Beg who composed on the same lines contributed a lot to Sindhi literature.

Dayaram Gidumal and Mirza Kaleech were two of the early prose writers. The former was a great scholar and he was famous mainly for his metaphysical writings. The noted lexicographer and essayist Parmanand Mewaram wrote essays that educated and instructed both the young and the old. This peer group also comprised of Bherumal Meherchand, Lalchand Amardinomal and Jethmal Parsram, and Acharya Gidwani, N. R. Malkani and Dr H. M. Gurbuxani.

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I certainly believe that the Sindhi language is related to that which the Harappans spoke.

In a recent decipherment of the Harappan seals, I found the following names: Ravi, Mani, Rabindranath, Vatarupa, Madesh, Ravihendran,
Ravinarian, Rakshamahengan, and Tridasandran.

Would not Harappans of pre-Islamic times have had such names?
 
I certainly believe that the Sindhi language is related to that which the Harappans spoke.

In a recent decipherment of the Harappan seals, I found the following names: Ravi, Mani, Rabindranath, Vatarupa, Madesh, Ravihendran,
Ravinarian, Rakshamahengan, and Tridasandran.

Would not Harappans of pre-Islamic times have had such names?

My mother tongue is Sindhi. I can tell you that Sindhi is an Indo-European language like Punjabi and Hindi. There is still a lot to know about the nature of the Harappan languages and culture. Sindhi is also an official language in India.
 
I certainly believe that the Sindhi language is related to that which the Harappans spoke.

In a recent decipherment of the Harappan seals, I found the following names: Ravi, Mani, Rabindranath, Vatarupa, Madesh, Ravihendran,
Ravinarian, Rakshamahengan, and Tridasandran.


Would not Harappans of pre-Islamic times have had such names?

Can you provide references? AFAIK, the IVC script hasnt been deciphered yet.
 
Salaam people.

This is my first post on this forum, and I must say, I am really starting to like this place. I would like to ask Pakistanis a simple question. Why is our Ancient History not Appreciated by Pakistanis?

Pakistans history starts with the Indus Valley civilisation, which is more than 5000 years old and was on par with civilisations like Egypt and Mesopotamia, it was based almost entirely in modern Pakistan, and all the major cities are in Pakistan.

Our fellow Pakistanis have totally ignored this part of our history, and given the Indians full access to steal it, and label it Indian.
I dont know what amuses me more, an Indian claiming IVC is Indian even though its not even in India, or a Pakistani ignoring this great chapter of our history because its not "Islamic".

It doesnt stop here however. There are lots of other civilisations which were based in Pakistan, and run by Pakistanis, i.e Ghandara, Kushun empire, and even Muslim empires like Mughal empires started in Pakistan, and spread into India.

So why why and why do we allow India to take credit of everything?
They talk about "Pakistan being created", like Pakistan is a baby, and Pakistanis didnt exist before 1947. This is the whole reason why Indian nationalists believe they own Pakistan.
They take it one step further and our leaders like Quid-e-Azam are officially known as "Indians", (look it up on wikipedia).

So please let me know your opinions regarding this. Pakistan has an unbelievably big history book, but we "proudly" go on about 60 years of Independence?


p.s Pakistan wasnt created in 1947, it was our Independence. Please dont promote Indian views.

Thank you for reading, I am looking forward to read your views.

W/Salaam.

Pakistan cut every link that connect it to the hindostan and hindus. The entire reason for making pakistan was islam. So it is not surprising that they do not describe any non-muslim civilization and non-muslim people. All the foriegn invaders are heroes of pakistan. A looter mahmud ghaznavi is among top historical pakistani heroes. Even the cruel timurid zaheerudin babur is presented as a great muslim conquror....while he is the person who fought against relatively native muslim ibrahim lodi.
Also as a pashtun i see strong contradictions of pashtun history with pakistani history. Mughals were worse enemies of pashtun while pakistan consider them in positive light. Aurangazeb is best muslim ruler in mutala pakistan but same aurangzeb fought war with afghans/pashtuns. Lodhis were pashtun rulers but they are neglected in favour of babur. Syed ahamd bareillvi, a wahabi, is black spot in pashtun history but he is a great muslim warrior in mutala pakistan.
 
Pakistan cut every link that connect it to the hindostan and hindus. The entire reason for making pakistan was islam. So it is not surprising that they do not describe any non-muslim civilization and non-muslim people. All the foriegn invaders are heroes of pakistan. A looter mahmud ghaznavi is among top historical pakistani heroes. Even the cruel timurid zaheerudin babur is presented as a great muslim conquror....while he is the person who fought against relatively native muslim ibrahim lodi.
Also as a pashtun i see strong contradictions of pashtun history with pakistani history. Mughals were worse enemies of pashtun while pakistan consider them in positive light. Aurangazeb is best muslim ruler in mutala pakistan but same aurangzeb fought war with afghans/pashtuns. Lodhis were pashtun rulers but they are neglected in favour of babur. Syed ahamd bareillvi, a wahabi, is black spot in pashtun history but he is a great muslim warrior in mutala pakistan.

These "Muslim" leaders are just as "Muslim" as the Crusaders hordes are Christian. Its all about politics. People like Timur, Babur, etc killed many Muslims like their Mongol ancestors.
 
Salaam people.

This is my first post on this forum, and I must say, I am really starting to like this place. I would like to ask Pakistanis a simple question. Why is our Ancient History not Appreciated by Pakistanis?

Pakistans history starts with the Indus Valley civilisation, which is more than 5000 years old and was on par with civilisations like Egypt and Mesopotamia, it was based almost entirely in modern Pakistan, and all the major cities are in Pakistan.

Our fellow Pakistanis have totally ignored this part of our history, and given the Indians full access to steal it, and label it Indian.
I dont know what amuses me more, an Indian claiming IVC is Indian even though its not even in India, or a Pakistani ignoring this great chapter of our history because its not "Islamic".

It doesnt stop here however. There are lots of other civilisations which were based in Pakistan, and run by Pakistanis, i.e Ghandara, Kushun empire, and even Muslim empires like Mughal empires started in Pakistan, and spread into India.

So why why and why do we allow India to take credit of everything?
They talk about "Pakistan being created", like Pakistan is a baby, and Pakistanis didnt exist before 1947. This is the whole reason why Indian nationalists believe they own Pakistan.
They take it one step further and our leaders like Quid-e-Azam are officially known as "Indians", (look it up on wikipedia).

So please let me know your opinions regarding this. Pakistan has an unbelievably big history book, but we "proudly" go on about 60 years of Independence?


p.s Pakistan wasnt created in 1947, it was our Independence. Please dont promote Indian views.

Thank you for reading, I am looking forward to read your views.

W/Salaam.

I agree with all your points. But rather than Bashing Indians , you should look into yourself to know the reason. First for all, Pakistanis do not respect the pre-islamic history of their country. Can you justify destroying the Hindu and Gandharan artefacts in your country?

 
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Well history is not something to enjoy about, it should be read form lesson taking point of view, so it can be more beneficial...
 
those who appreciate it in Pakistan really really appreciate it..but some of the younger generation of brats perhaps dont really care or take much interest

sweeping generalization, i know....but our people just dont put enough emphasis on history and that is a very stupid mistake
 
hilarious how the poster claims the Indus valley civilization to be start of Pakistan though it is not even distinctly related to to Pakistan in anyway...perhaps the only place in Pakistan worth visiting which is not even related to Pakistan....:cheesy:
 
even funnier are indian who feel so high and mighty and only know how to troll rather than analyze facts in a cool headed manner
 
even funnier are indian who feel so high and mighty and only know how to troll rather than analyze facts in a cool headed manner

haha...you call yourself Islamic republic of Pakistan and you claim Indus valley civilization as start of Pakistan?????
nothing to analyze in that worthless post :D i mean for us Indians...you can analyze crap out of it and beat drums on it if it pleases you :)
 
haha...you call yourself Islamic republic of Pakistan and you claim Indus valley civilization as start of Pakistan?????
nothing to analyze in that worthless post :D i mean for us Indians...you can analyze crap out of it and beat drums on it if it pleases you :)

sorry to jump in the middle, but all of these has nothing to do with history of the region, be it pakistan or inida. we have the same thing, our country not long ago was not afghanistan and had a differnt name, a thousands year back we were not muslims and practicised Zoroastrain and some parts budism, but it doesnt mean since we are msulims now and the name of country is something else then we deny the history of our land, same thing goes to pakistan.
 
haha...you call yourself Islamic republic of Pakistan and you claim Indus valley civilization as start of Pakistan?????
nothing to analyze in that worthless post :D i mean for us Indians...you can analyze crap out of it and beat drums on it if it pleases you :)

don't make a fool of your self..it's part of our common history.
 
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