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Does Turkey need Aircraft-Carrier?

On the Greece issue.

They currently don't have the economy or industry to stand on level with Turkey. Their advanced SAM sites would be our big concern but the islands are so close to to the Turkish mainland they would be acquired fast by para landings and amphibious assaults which we have trained for and executed at Cyprus.

We have a larger submarine and frigate fleet. Though i am not sure how capable the Elli class frigates Greece has are if someone could provide info on them.
 
Though i am not sure how capable the Elli class frigates Greece has are if someone could provide info on them.

Displacement, tons: 3,050 standard; 3,630 full load
Displacement, tonnes: 3,098.8 Standard; 3,688 full load

Dimensions
Length (m): 130.5
Beam (m): 14.6
Draught (m): 6.2 (screws); 4.4m (hull)

Length (ft): 428
Beam (ft): 47.9
Draught (ft): 20.3 (screws) 14.3 (hull)

Active roll stabilisation

Propulsion type: combined gas or gas (COGOG) system
Main Machinery:
2 Rolls Royce Tyne RM1C gas turbines, 4,900 shp (3,700 kW) each, total 9,900 hp (7.4 MW) sustained
2 Rolls Royce Olympus TM3B gas turbines, 25,700 shp (19,200 kW) each (boost), total 50,880 hp (39.7 MW) sustained
2 shafts, acbLIPS cp props

Cruise speed: 20 knots (37 km/h)
Maximum speed: 30 knots (56 km/h)
Range: 4,700 nmi (8,700 km) at 16 knots (30 km/h)

Complement: 176 (incl. 17 officers) crew
Accommodation: 200

Armament:

Elli class S-frigate (Elli, Limnos):
2 × OTO-Melara Compatto 76 mm/62 cal. compact gun; 85 rds/min to 16 km (8.6 n miles) anti-surface; 12 km (6.5 n miles)anti-aircraft; weight of shell 6 kg.
2 x 1 GE/GD Vulcan Phalanx 20 mm Mk 15 6-barrelled CIWS; 3,000 rds/min combined to 1.5 km.
Aircraft: 2 helicopters (AB-212)
Structure: Hangar in 2 Elli's is originally 2 m longer than in Netherlands' ships.

ex-Dutch Kortenaer class S-frigates in Greek service:
1 × OTO-Melara Compatto 76 mm/62 cal. compact gun; 85 rds/min to 16 km (8.6 n miles) anti-surface; 12 km (6.5 n miles)anti-aircraft; weight of shell 6 kg.
1 x 1 GE/GD Vulcan Phalanx 20 mm Mk 15 6-barrelled CIWS; 3,000 rds/min combined to 1.5 km.
Aircraft: 2 helicopters (Originally Westland SH-148 SeaLynx, later AB-212)

In addition, both variants have
2 × 4 RGM-84 Harpoon SSM radar homing to 130 km (70 n miles) at 0.9 Mach; warhead 227 kg.
1 × 8 round Raytheon RIM-7M Sea Sparrow SAM launcher (+ 16 reloads); semi-active radar homing to 14.6 km (8 n miles)at 2.5 Mach; warhead 39 kg.
Portable Redeye; shoulder-launched; short range (Stinger Manpads predecessor).
2 × 2 fixed Mk32 324 mm Torpedo Tubes; 16 Honeywell Mk 46 Mod 5 lightweight torpedoes; anti-submarine; active/passive homing to 11 km (5.9 n miles)at 40 kt; warhead 44 kg.

Countermeasures:
Decoys: 2 Loral Hycor Mk 36 SRBOC chaff launchers.
ESM: Elettronika Sphinx and MEL Scimitar; intercept.
ECM: ELT 715; jammer.
Nixie torpedo decoy

Combat data systems: Signaal SEWACO II action data automation; Links 10, 11 and 14.

Radars:
Air search:
Signaal LW08; Long Range Air Surveillance Radar D-band; range 264 km (145 n miles) for 2 m2 target.
Surface search:
Originally Signaal ZW06; I-band.
Fire control:
Signaal WM25 combined Search and Tracking Radar ; I/J-band; range 46 km (25 n miles).
Signaal STIR 240; I/J/K-band; range 39 km (21 n miles) for 1 m2 target.

Sonars:
Canadian Westinghouse SQS-505; hull-mounted; active search and attack; 7 kHz. (Elli)
Westinghouse AN/SQS 509 bow-mounted sonar (Kortenaer)

Modernisation: The original plan for the Elli's was to fit one Phalanx CIWS in place of the after 76 mm gun but for Gulf deployments in 1990-91 the gun was retained in 450 and 451 and two Phalanx fitted on the deck above the torpedo tubes. Corvus chaff launchers replaced by SRBOC (fitted either side of the bridge). The second batch of four ships were to be similarly modified but the original plan of one Phalanx vice the after 76 mm has been used as a cheaper alternative. An upgrade programme for these ships was planned to be completed by the end of 2006. Modernisation would focus on sensors, the combat data system and communications. Flight decks may be strengthened to receive Aegean Hawks.

There is a midlife modernization programme for six of the ten Greek ships. In February of 2003, Thales was awarded a contract worth 258 million euro for the Mid Life Modernization Program of the platform and combat system equipment of six Hellenic Navy Elli Class frigates. The program is in progress at HSY and supposedly completed in 2009. The Kountouriotis (F-462) and the Adrias (F-459) have been modernized. The other four ships are the Navarinon (F-461), the Limnos (F-451), the Elli (F-450), and the Aegaeon (F-460). The main modernization works to be performed are the following:
- Replacement of the combat management system and installation of new sensors
- Overhaul and improvement of radars
- Replacement of navigation systems and upgrade of communications systems
- Replacement of propulsion control system and of defined platform systems.

Specifically, the ships will be outfitted with the Thales Tacticos combat management system, a Thales Scout LPI surface search radar, and a Thales Mirador optronic director. Further, the vessels’ EDO CS-3701 ESM, Super Rapid Blooming Offboard Chaff countermeasures system, LW08 air search radar and WM25/STIR fire control radar will receive improvements.

Imtech, technical service provider in Europe, received an order from Hellenic Shipyards (Skaramanga, Greece) to modernise the automation on board of six frigates of the Hellenic Navy in Greece. Imtech will install an Integrated Platform Management System (IPMS) that will be used to integrate all platform machinery, including electrical power generation & distribution, gas turbine propulsion, fire fighting, damage control and auxiliary systems. The objective of the modernisation is to enhance the operational effectiveness of the ships and extend the frigates operational life span beyond the year 2020.
 
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I dont think they need any aircraft carrier. Basically aircraft carriers are for power projection only and in case of large coastline areas. They should better invest in submarines and naval surface fleets.
 

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