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Pakistan calls for Israel to stop ‘land grabbing’ in Palestinian territory

You keep changing flags, little boy.
More intelligent people than you know that in this world there are far bigger problems for Pakistanis to worry about than Israel.

Talking about flags little rat -or should I say mouse- you are the self proclaimed specialists in that area, red flags, changing flags and false flags, but as you are finding out day in day out, your are being exposed and making yourselves look like idiots and the jock of the world.
A comment coming from Israel! would I expect anything else than a bad smelling mouth with a tortured and twisted mind, and you find yourselves More intelligent, you know with Jewish certainty what is good or not for a Muslim country, go pluck a duck!

You keep projecting yourselves psychologically little mouse, or did I touch a sensitive point.

For you, you are the US or else. keep dreaming, you end is coming very soon, you know it better I might say or should I remind you again!
 
The Palestinenans are no saint either. They sided with their failed ideologies of Pan Arab nationalism and continue to suffer until this day! And still they havent got enough sense to solve their own problems rather than depending on foreign influence.
 
Talking about flags little rat -or should I say mouse- you are the self proclaimed specialists in that area, red flags, changing flags and false flags, but as you are finding out day in day out, your are being exposed and making yourselves look like idiots and the jock of the world.
A comment coming from Israel! would I expect anything else than a bad smelling mouth with a tortured and twisted mind, and you find yourselves More intelligent, you know with Jewish certainty what is good or not for a Muslim country, go pluck a duck!

You keep projecting yourselves psychologically little mouse, or did I touch a sensitive point.

For you, you are the US or else. keep dreaming, you end is coming very soon, you know it better I might say or should I remind you again!
If you are so certain that Israel's end is coming very soon, do the world a favor and hold your breath, you are a waste of oxygen.
 
In response to Solomon2 about his lack of knowledge about Palestine or denial of history, this is how we expose Zionists:

Palestine:

The term Peleset (transliterated from hieroglyphs as P-r-s-t) is found in numerous Egyptian documents referring to a neighboring people or land starting from c.1150 BCE during the Twentieth dynasty of Egypt. The first mention is thought to be in texts of the temple at Medinet Habu which record a people called the Peleset among the Sea Peoples who invaded Egypt in Ramesses III's reign.[10] The Assyrians called the same region Palashtu or Pilistu, beginning with Adad-nirari III in the Nimrud Slab in c.800 BCE through to emperor Sargon II in his Annals approximately a century later.[11][12][1] Neither the Egyptian or Assyrian sources provided clear regional boundaries for the term.

The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece.[13] Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.[14][15][16][17][18][19] Approximately a century later, Aristotle used a similar definition in Meteorology, writing "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them," understood by scholars to be a reference to the Dead Sea.[20] Later writers such as Polemon and Pausanias also used the term to refer to the same region. This usage was followed by Roman writers such as Ovid, Tibullus, Pomponius Mela, Pliny the Elder, Dio Chrysostom, Statius, Plutarch as well as Roman Judean writers Philo of Alexandria and Josephus.[21] Other writers, such as Strabo, a prominent Roman-era geographer (although he wrote in Greek), referred to the region as Coele-Syria around 10-20 CE.[22][23] The term was first used to denote an official province in c.135 CE, when the Roman authorities, following the suppression of the Bar Kokhba Revolt, combined Iudaea Province with Galilee and other surrounding cities such as Ashkelon to form "Syria Palaestina" (Syria Palaestina), which some scholars state was in order to complete the dissociation with Judaea.[24][25]

The Hebrew name Peleshet (פלשת Pəlésheth)- usually translated as Philistia in English, is used in the Bible more than 250 times. The Greek word Palaistinē (Παλαιστίνη, "Palaistine") is generally accepted to be a translation of the Semitic name for Philistia; however another term – Land of Philistieim (Γη των Φυλιστιειμ, transliteration from Hebrew) – was used in the Septuagint, the second century BCE Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, to refer to Philistia.[26] In the Torah / Pentateuch the term Philistia is used 10 times and its boundaries are undefined. The later Historical books (see Deuteronomistic history) include most of the biblical references, almost 200 of which are in the Book of Judges and the Books of Samuel, where the term is used to denote the southern coastal region to the west of the ancient Kingdom of Judah.[27][11][12][21]

During the Byzantine period, the entire region (Syria Palestine, Samaria, and the Galilee) was named Palaestina, subdivided into provinces Palaestina I and II.[28] The Byzantines also renamed an area of land including the Negev, Sinai, and the west coast of the Arabian Peninsula as Palaestina Salutaris, sometimes called Palaestina III.[28] The Arabic word for Palestine is فلسطين (commonly transcribed in English as Filistin, Filastin, or Falastin).[29] Moshe Sharon writes that when the Arabs took over Greater Syria in the 7th century, place names that were in use by the Byzantine administration before them, generally continued to be used. Hence, he traces the emergence of the Arabic form Filastin to this adoption, with Arabic inflection, of Roman and Hebrew (Semitic) names.[11] Jacob Lassner and Selwyn Ilan Troen offer a different view, writing that Jund Filastin, the full name for the administrative province under the rule of the Arab caliphates, was traced by Muslim geographers back to the Philistines of the Bible.[30] The use of the name "Palestine" in English became more common after the European renaissance.[31] It was officially revived by the British after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and applied to the territory that was placed under The Palestine Mandate.

Some other terms that have been used to refer to all or part of this land include Canaan, Greater Israel, Greater Syria, the Holy Land, Iudaea Province, Judea,[32] Israel, "Israel HaShlema", Kingdom of Israel, Kingdom of Jerusalem, Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael or Ha'aretz), Zion, Retenu (Ancient Egyptian), Southern Syria, and Syria Palestina.
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Ancient period
A 1759 map of The Holy Land, or Palestine. The map includes historical depictions of the Ancient Kingdoms of Judah and Israel, in which the 12 Tribes have been distinguished according to the Holy Scriptures. Tobias Conrad Lotter, Geographer. Augsburg, Germany, 1759
A dwelling unearthed at Tell es-Sultan

The region was among the earliest in the world to see human habitation, agricultural communities and civilization. During the Bronze Age, independent Canaanite city-states were established, and were influenced by the surrounding civilizations of ancient Egypt, Mesopotamia, Phoenicia, Minoan Crete, and Syria. Between 1550-1400 BCE, the Canaanite cities became vassals to the Egyptian New Kingdom who held power until the 1178 BCE Battle of Djahy (Canaan) during the wider Bronze Age collapse. The Philistines arrived and mingled with the local population, and according to Biblical tradition, the United Kingdom of Israel was established in 1020 BC and split within a century to form the northern Kingdom of Israel, and the southern Kingdom of Judah. The region became part of the Neo-Assyrian Empire from c740 BCE, which was itself replaced by the Neo-Babylonian Empire in c.627 BCE. According to the bible, a war with Egypt culminated in 586 BCE when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonian king Nebuchadnezzar II and the local leaders of the region of Judea were deported to Babylonia. In 539 BCE, the Babylonian empire was replaced by the Achaemenid Empire. According to the bible and implications from the Cyrus Cylinder, the exiled population of Judea was allowed to return to Jerusalem.
Classical antiquity
5th century CE: Byzantine provinces of Palaestina I (Philistia, Judea and Samaria) and Palaestina II (Galilee and Perea)

In the 330s BCE, Macedonian ruler Alexander the Great conquered the region, and the region changed hands numerous times during the wars of the Diadochi. ultimately joining the Seleucid Empire between 219-200 BCE. In 116 BCE, a Seleucid civil war resulted in the independence of certain regions including the minor Hasmonean principality in the Judean Mountains. From 110 BCE, the Hasmoneans extended their authority over much of Palestine, creating a Judean-Samaritan-Idumaean-Ituraean-Galilean alliance. The Judean (Jewish, see Ioudaioi) control over the wider region resulted in it also becoming known as Judaea, a term which had previously only referred to the smaller region of the Judean Mountains. Between 73-63 BCE, the Roman Republic extended its influence in to the region in the Third Mithridatic War, conquering of Judea in 63 BCE, and splitting the former Hasmonean Kingdom into five districts. The three year Ministry of Jesus, culminating in his crucifixion, is estimated to have occurred from 28-30 CE, although the historicity of Jesus is disputed by scholars. In 70 CE, Titus sacked Jerusalem, resulting in the dispersal of the city's Jews and Christians to Yavne and Pella. In 132 CE, Hadrian joined the province of Iudaea with Galilee to form new province of Syria Palaestina, and Jerusalem was renamed "Aelia Capitolina". Between 259-272, the region fell under the rule of Odaenathus as King of the Palmyrene Empire. Following the victory of Christian emperor Constantine in the Civil Wars of the Tetrarchy (306–324), the Christianization of the Roman Empire began, and in 326, Constantine's mother Saint Helena visited Jerusalem and began the construction of churches and shrines. Palestine became a center of Christianity, attracting numerous monks and religious scholars. The Samaritan Revolts during this period caused their near extinction. In 614 CE, Palestine was annexed by another Persian dynasty; the Sassanids, until returning to Byzantine control in 628 CE.[33]

[edit] Middle Ages
Tower of Ramla, constructed in 1318

Palestine joined the Islamic Empire following at the 636 CE Battle of Yarmouk during the Muslim conquest of Syria. In 661 CE, with the assassination of Ali, Muawiyah I became the uncontested Caliph of the Islamic World after being crowned in Jerusalem. In 691, the Dome of the Rock became the world's first great work of Islamic architecture. The Umayyad were replaced by the Abbasids in 750. From 878 Palestine was ruled from Egypt by semi-autonomous rulers for almost a century, beginning with Ahmad ibn Tulun, and ending with the Ikhshidid rulers who were both buried in Jerusalem. The Fatimids conquered the region in 969. In 1073 Palestine was captured by the Great Seljuq Empire, only to be recaptured by the Fatimids in 1098, who then lost the region to the Crusaders in 1099. Their control of Jerusalem and most of Palestine lasted almost a century until defeat by Saladin's forces in 1187, after which most of Palestine was controlled by the Ayyubids. A rump crusader state in the northern coastal cities survived for another century, but, despite seven further crusades the crusaders were no longer a significant power in the region. The Mamluk Sultanate was indirectly created in Egypt as a result of the Seventh Crusade. The Mongol Empire reached Palestine for the first time in 1260, beginning with the Mongol raids into Palestine under Nestorian Christian general Kitbuqa and reaching an apex at the pivotal Battle of Ain Jalut. In 1486, hostilities broke out between the Mamluks and the Ottoman Turks in a battle for control over western Asia and the Ottomans captured Palestine in 1516.
Boundaries

The boundaries of Palestine have varied throughout history.[34][35] The Jordan Rift Valley (comprising Wadi Arabah, the Dead Sea and River Jordan) has at times formed a political and administrative frontier, even within empires that have controlled both territories. At other times, such as during certain periods during the Hasmonean and Crusader states for example, as well as during the biblical period, territories on both sides of the river formed part of the same administrative unit. During the Arab Caliphate period, parts of southern Lebanon and the northern highland areas of Palestine and Jordan were administered as Jund al-Urdun, while the southern parts of the latter two formed part of Jund Dimashq, which during the ninth century was attached to the administrative unit of Jund Filasteen (Arabic: جند فلسطين‎).[36]

The boundaries of the area and the ethnic nature of the people referred to by Herodotus in the 5th century BCE as Palaestina vary according to context. Sometimes, he uses it to refer to the coast north of Mount Carmel. Elsewhere, distinguishing the Syrians in Palestine from the Phoenicians, he refers to their land as extending down all the coast from Phoenicia to Egypt.[37] Pliny, writing in Latin in the 1st century CE, describes a region of Syria that was "formerly called Palaestina" among the areas of the Eastern Mediterranean.[38]

Since the Byzantine Period, the Byzantine borders of Palaestina (I and II, also known as Palaestina Prima, "First Palestine", and Palaestina Secunda, "Second Palestine"), have served as a name for the geographic area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Under Arab rule, Filastin (or Jund Filastin) was used administratively to refer to what was under the Byzantines Palaestina Secunda (comprising Judaea and Samaria), while Palaestina Prima (comprising the Galilee region) was renamed Urdunn ("Jordan" or Jund al-Urdunn).[11]

Nineteenth century sources refer to Palestine as extending from the sea to the caravan route, presumably the Hejaz-Damascus route east of the Jordan River valley. Others refer to it as extending from the sea to the desert. Prior to the Allied Powers victory in World War I and the Partitioning of the Ottoman Empire, which created the British mandate in the Levant, most of the northern area of what is today Jordan formed part of the Ottoman Vilayet of Damascus (Syria), while the southern part of Jordan was part of the Vilayet of Hejaz. What later became part of British Mandate Palestine was in Ottoman times divided between the Vilayet of Beirut (Lebanon) and the Sanjak of Jerusalem.[39]

The Zionist Organization provided their definition concerning the boundaries of Palestine in a statement to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919; it also includes a statement about the importance of water resources that the designated area includes.[40][41] On the basis of a League of Nations mandate, the British administered Palestine after World War I, promising to establish a Jewish homeland therein.[42] The original Mandate Palestine included what is now Israel, the West Bank (of the Jordan), and Transjordan (the present kingdom of Jordan), although the latter was disattached by an administrative decision of the British in 1922.[43] To the Palestinian people who view Palestine as their homeland, its boundaries are those of Mandate Palestine excluding the Transjordan, as described in the Palestinian National Charter.[44]

So this had nothing to do with WW2 or the Germans, There was a conspiracy to settle Jews in Palestine before that .Google "Disraeli" if you want to know the truth.
Most Arabs in the Area welcomed the Jews in good faith, but when they've discovered the Zionist conspiracy with the British, they took arms till these days.

If you are so certain that Israel's end is coming very soon, do the world a favor and hold your breath, you are a waste of oxygen.

Are you on oxygen body.
 
Oh boi... as if there weren't enough troubles already in this region.
 
The funny part is that the Shia were traditionally the contributing factor to crusader colonization of Palestine and this SC dude who has open declared his associated is sounds like a hypocrite by taking a stance against what his clergy has been doing in the past..go away SC. Iranians love to scapegoat by using Palestine as an excuse to meddle in regional affairs.
 
The funny part is that the Shia were traditionally the contributing factor to crusader colonization of Palestine and this SC dude who has open declared his associated is sounds like a hypocrite by taking a stance against what his clergy has been doing in the past..go away SC. Iranians love to scapegoat by using Palestine as an excuse to meddle in regional affairs.

You really knew how to choose your name SomeBozo:fie:
 
A regular hogwash by a rabid zionazi -
The reasoning portion of your brain just turned off, didn't it?

Britain did it with its Belfast Declaration!
This has been discussed before. The first Caliph approached rejected the Zionists' application for Palestine on the grounds that the Arabs fought loyally for the Ottomans; naturally, after the war and Arab Revolt, his successor felt the justification no longer applied. link

As for 'equity', making the Palestinians carry the burden of European bigotry, what kind of justice is that?
The establishment of the British Mandate was part of the breakup of three empires (Russian, Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian) after WWI, assuring justice and self-determination for all peoples. The "Palestinian" people certainly did not exist as a separate people or nationality then; the very phrase "Palestinians" then meant Jews, not Arabs!

Arabs have their own bigotry that far exceeds that of Europeans, I think. Otherwise they would live their lives standing up for minorities rather than forever trying to drive them out. Both Arabs and Jews were bound by the Caliph and the League of Nations to respect the civil and property rights of minorities in their respective regions. This is something the Jews have done but the Arabs have not. Doesn't this make the Jews of Palestine the last loyal subjects of the Ottoman Caliph?

Many nations have called upon "Israel" to stop settlements into West Bank and other territories, including the United States.
SO? If everybody told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?

Try delving into the reasons why different nations do that and the answers look despicable and shameful, for the legal and equity arguments are in the Jews' favor. What these countries really mean is that they feel they don't want to needlessly run the risk of terrorism, as they in the 1970s; as long as Israel exists they think that is sufficient bulwark against the threat of imperialism from Asia. One Norwegian minister put its, the fate of Israel isn't worth the life of a single Norwegian. link What such people are slow to appreciate is that by denying Israel they endanger their own national identity and ideals of justice.

Israel especially now under this hawkish maniac Netanyahu should be further restrained and condemned.
For what? Seeking to defend itself? Seeking to assert its rights under international law? Pointing out how the U.N.'s current arguments against the Jewish State are indefensible dreck?

Do you see how many problems this pestering "state" of Israel has caused in the ME, displaced millions of people -
It's not millions and Israel wouldn't be bombing anybody if it wasn't being attacked, would it? Millions of Arabs know that now, just listen to what the Syrian revolutionaries - even the anti-Israel ones - say, or the Lebanese, or the Egyptians: Israel goes to war to protect its people, not build empires.

controls and chokes off livelihood of displaced people -
A population that nurtures terrorists in its bosom, kills people who have no wish for conflict next-door, and celebrates breeding children to be suicide bombers? How should one justly treat such a population? I'm sure the Israelis are open to suggestions.

calls it self a democracy, leeches off of US aid and technology and always craves for more.
That most accurately describes Pakistan, doesn't it? In Israel the Arab minority has its own political parties, minority civil and property rights are assured, and Israel is a technological powerhouse: see Start-up Nation

Pathetic Arab states should have crushed them when they had the chance, now they will have to wait.
Haven't you ever considered that "pathetic Arab states" should have made friends and vowed peace with their Jewish cousins instead? This Saudi commodore has: link

I am not worried a bit, please reread "the down fall of Zionism is very real and near".
No, you can write your own arguments. I reject the principle that a liar can always defend himself through a fib that takes five seconds to create but twenty minutes to refute. You've progressively lost credibility here.

races are for dogs, cats and animals, there is a human race and any group of criminals and outlaws ought to be neutralised, this is the case of Zionism -
There is a difference between what things are and what they are called, a difference that crooked leaders have always tried to smear for their own advantage. Have you never thought how convenient it is for your own corrupt leaders to keep your attentions elsewhere while they rob your fat country?

If you think Sanity came from Jews than you are very insane -
Oddly enough, I consider your reaction is a good sign. Pakistan needs new ideas really badly to get out of the current hole dug by terror and corruption. Logically these have to be ideas new and difficult to accept because if they were old and easy they would have been grasped at already, yes?
 
The reasoning portion of your brain just turned off, didn't it?

This has been discussed before. The first Caliph approached rejected the Zionists' application for Palestine on the grounds that the Arabs fought loyally for the Ottomans; naturally, after the war and Arab Revolt, his successor felt the justification no longer applied. link



The establishment of the British Mandate was part of the breakup of three empires (Russian, Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian) after WWI, assuring justice and self-determination for all peoples. The "Palestinian" people certainly did not exist as a separate people or nationality then; the very phrase "Palestinians" then meant Jews, not Arabs!

Arabs have their own bigotry that far exceeds that of Europeans, I think. Otherwise they would live their lives standing up for minorities rather than forever trying to drive them out. Both Arabs and Jews were bound by the Caliph and the League of Nations to respect the civil and property rights of minorities in their respective regions. This is something the Jews have done but the Arabs have not. Doesn't this make the Jews of Palestine the last loyal subjects of the Ottoman Caliph?

SO? If everybody told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?

Try delving into the reasons why different nations do that and the answers look despicable and shameful, for the legal and equity arguments are in the Jews' favor. What these countries really mean is that they feel they don't want to needlessly run the risk of terrorism, as they in the 1970s; as long as Israel exists they think that is sufficient bulwark against the threat of imperialism from Asia. One Norwegian minister put its, the fate of Israel isn't worth the life of a single Norwegian. link What such people are slow to appreciate is that by denying Israel they endanger their own national identity and ideals of justice.

For what? Seeking to defend itself? Seeking to assert its rights under international law? Pointing out how the U.N.'s current arguments against the Jewish State are indefensible dreck?

It's not millions and Israel wouldn't be bombing anybody if it wasn't being attacked, would it? Millions of Arabs know that now, just listen to what the Syrian revolutionaries - even the anti-Israel ones - say, or the Lebanese, or the Egyptians: Israel goes to war to protect its people, not build empires.

A population that nurtures terrorists in its bosom, kills people who have no wish for conflict next-door, and celebrates breeding children to be suicide bombers? How should one justly treat such a population? I'm sure the Israelis are open to suggestions.

That most accurately describes Pakistan, doesn't it? In Israel the Arab minority has its own political parties, minority civil and property rights are assured, and Israel is a technological powerhouse: see Start-up Nation

Haven't you ever considered that "pathetic Arab states" should have made friends and vowed peace with their Jewish cousins instead? This Saudi commodore has: link

No, you can write your own arguments. I reject the principle that a liar can always defend himself through a fib that takes five seconds to create but twenty minutes to refute. You've progressively lost credibility here.

There is a difference between what things are and what they are called, a difference that crooked leaders have always tried to smear for their own advantage. Have you never thought how convenient it is for your own corrupt leaders to keep your attentions elsewhere while they rob your fat country?

Oddly enough, I consider your reaction is a good sign. Pakistan needs new ideas really badly to get out of the current hole dug by terror and corruption. Logically these have to be ideas new and difficult to accept because if they were old and easy they would have been grasped at already, yes?

Everyone on this thread seems to have lost credibility with you !!! didn't I exposed you as a Zionist and a liar on this thread?
That is your biggest problem, you think you have answers even if they are based on falsehood,
Try to convince any Muslim to agree with you or be your friend, and you will be deceiving yourself, Our Prophet PBUH and Koran told of your hypocrisy and your tortured twisted minds since the beginning of time. Based on facts we can confirm this today.
You are making yourself the laughing joke of this forum.
 
Everyone on this thread seems to have lost credibility with you !!! didn't I exposed you as a Zionist and a liar on this thread?
You exposed nothing. I am a Zionist. I never concealed it. And I didn't see you point out a single lie I've made here. I don't tell falsehoods; if someone catches me in a mistake I'm grateful. Cite specific facts if you wish to refute me.

Try to convince any Muslim to agree with you or be your friend, and you will be deceiving yourself, Our Prophet PBUH and Koran told of your hypocrisy
I wasn't alive then so how can you be sure you are interpreting his words correctly? Does the Koran describe me or does it identify types of behavior that should be condemned, labeling such persons "Jews"? If the former whether I am "grabbing Palestinian territory" or not I am condemned by birth and religion, not deed, so you deny freedom of will, which is asserted at several places in the Koran and, I'm told, in Muslim theology; if the latter, that means somebody called a Jew in the Koran can be different from somebody who calls himself a Jew outside the Koran. That makes sense because what a thing is called can be different from what a thing is: A rose is a rose even if you call it a turtle, is that not so?
 
Well, you just seem to be contradicting yourself in your last sentences!!!!
 
You exposed nothing. I am a Zionist. I never concealed it. And I didn't see you point out a single lie I've made here. I don't tell falsehoods; if someone catches me in a mistake I'm grateful. Cite specific facts if you wish to refute me.

I wasn't alive them so how can you be sure you are interpreting his words correctly? Does the Koran describe me or the identify types of behavior that should be condemned, labeling such persons "Jews"? If the former whether I am "grabbing Palestinian territory" or not I am condemned by birth and religion, not deed, so you deny freedom of will, which is asserted at several places in the Koran and, I'm told, in Muslim theology; if the latter, that means somebody called a Jew in the Koran can be different from somebody who calls himself a Jew outside the Koran. That makes sense because what a thing is called can be different from what a thing is: A rose is a rose even if you call it a turtle, is that not so?

Would you please explain the meaning of Zionism for you.
 
The Palestinenans are no saint either. They sided with their failed ideologies of Pan Arab nationalism and continue to suffer until this day! And still they havent got enough sense to solve their own problems rather than depending on foreign influence.

Try to be a saint in Gaza Bozo.
 

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