Pervez Hoodbhoy's Secular Delusion

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You're right

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And which of these evils is Islamic Pakistan free off?
Is it that we are free of poverty?
Or we have no warring groups?
Or we have no s3x trafficking?

 

[Desert Fox]

They're too busy trying to replicate the 7th century to bother about the 21st.

Yes, not legalizing sex with animals is such a 7th century thing to do

Let's all legalize bestiality so we can finally be in the 21st century

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

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Pervez is at it again! Hoodbhoy, like all Westernized modernists, recycles the same few talking points ad nauseam.

1. Islam is backwards. Western secularism is the answer!
2. Islamic education makes people dumb. Western secular education makes people smart!
3. Islamic institutions are associated with terrorism. Western secular institutions are associated with prosperity and progress!

That pretty much summarizes everything Hoodbhoy has ever written in his life.

Such simplistic points might have impressed Western-intoxicated dullards 50 years ago. But it is embarrassing for him to keep trotting out the same lines in this day and age, now that most people are acutely aware of the empty promises of Western "enlightenment."

How ironic that Pervez sings the praises of "critical thinking," yet he is unable to think critically about whether "parroting" the liberal secularism of the West will yield prosperity and happiness for Pakistan or any Muslim country.

For those of us living in the enlightened secular West, we can only chuckle at the child-like naivete of anyone who thinks the West is a utopia all should aspire to.

Turn to any news channel to see American cities literally burning to the ground as protests rage. Watch the violent divisions ripping the country apart. All these violent protesters enjoyed a liberal secular education without the influence of the scary molvi boogey monster of Hoodbhoy's imagination.

The average American is thousands of dollars in debt, lives pay check to check, slogging endless hours at a job he hates, the only thing he looks forward to is the weekend, where he will probably sit in front of his laptop and watch Netflix or order some junk he doesn't need from Amazon. He is living the "perfect" life of obedient, senseless consumerism his secular education has so perfectly prepared him for!

Think of the caricatures of the depressed consumerist alone in his apartment with no family, no faith, no future. Believe it or not, that caricature is the reality for the majority.

And those who do get married, they fare no better. What kind of love can you have for someone you know has been loved and dumped by a dozen (two dozen?) others before you? This is the living nightmare produced by Western secular values. Marriage is seen as such a dead end that most are now opting to avoid it entirely. Many children grow up completely cut off from at least one parent. Many have no clue who their fathers even are! Forget about extended family and the comfort, joy, and support that comes with it.

Liberal secularism not only destroys the akhira with its militant atheism. It also destroys every human aspect of what makes life of the dunya beautiful -- committed love, a happy and devoted family, the sense of purpose that comes with serving one's Creator. These are luxuries most Westerners no longer even know about, let alone enjoy.

But liberal secularism at least brings prosperity and that counts for something, right? No, even this is not true. Many countries have accepted the devil's offer of sacrificing religion and traditional values for the promise of material progress. But Iblis, of course, is a liar.

What amazing progress does a secular country like Romania enjoy? What booming riches does a secular country like Mexico enjoy? What economic advancement does a secular country like Liberia enjoy?

If religion is regressive and secularization and secular education are the path to economic progress, why is it that so many 100% secularized countries have languished for decades at the bottom of the development list?

In reality, the secularization of these countries only serves the Western imperial masters who suck these countries dry, usurping their resources and cheap labor in exchange for advancement that never comes.

It is the oldest trick in the book.

But it is a trick that is made more effective when the Western-educated elites of those countries peddle propaganda to the masses, trying to convince the people -- on behalf of their Western masters -- to abandon their religion, abandon their traditional values, abandon deen.

Elites like Hoodbhoy have tried playing this trick on the Muslims for long enough. But no one is falling for it anymore.

It is time for these old propagandists to retire.

"Whoever makes himself blind against the mention/remembrance [dhikr] of al-RaHmān, We assign for him a devil who accompanies him all the time. And they (the devils) prevent such people from the (right) way, while they deem themselves to be on the right path. Until when such a person will come to Us, he will say (to the devil), “If only there were the distance of East and West between me and you, because you were the worst companion!" And (it will be said to such people,) “Since you were wrongdoers, it will never benefit you today that you are sharing the punishment with each other.” [Quran 43:36-39]

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[Desert Fox]

And which of these evils is Islamic Pakistan free off?
Is it that we are free of poverty?
Or we have no warring groups?
Or we have no s3x trafficking?

But but but Islamic Pakistan is bad

If we go by Pakistani Libturds then secularism is the magic pill that transforms every country into a Norway

 

[El Sidd]

And which of these evils is Islamic Pakistan free off?
Is it that we are free of poverty?
Or we have no warring groups?
Or we have no s3x trafficking?

Islam gives Hope to the people and a sense of belonging be in richness or abject poverty.

Sin cannot be removed from the society but crime can be maintained to a minimum.

By institution, the government of Pakistan is obligated to promote Muslim way of Life and provide means to forbid evil(sin).

Entrusting sovereignty over the entire universe to Allah, the concept of a State is able to progress beyond human liabilities.

 

[Redbeanpaste]

But but but Islamic Pakistan is bad

If we go by Pakistani Libturds then secularism is the magic pill that transforms every country into a Norway

So you agree that these problems exist equally if not more in non secular countries?
Which Libturd told you that secularism is a magic pill?
Secularism is the separation of the power of the mosque from the power of the government. It is not an economic theory.

 

[Path-Finder]

2. Islamic education makes people dumb. Western secular education makes people smart!

it is a massive problem. All those who go to Madaris don't go into further education for some reason. that is one of the biggest hurdles. these people are not stupid nor are they unaware of the world around them but for some reason they don't do anything further in education thus they become a target for the liberals who especially in Pakistan are there to sling s#it around.

those who go to madaris must have both educations as standard an incentives that forces them into universities. best to sit with clergy and enforce it.

 

[El Sidd]

So you agree that these problems exist equally if not more in non secular countries?
Which Libturd told you that secularism is a magic pill?
Secularism is the separation of the power of the mosque from the power of the government. It is not an economic theory.

But there is no concept of Church in Islam.

There won't be a mosque if there are no Muslim. A Muslim is a mosque in himself.

 

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Entrusting sovereignty over the entire universe to Allah, the concept of a State is able to progress beyond human liabilities.

name onE state that has progressed beyond human liabilities ...whatever that means.

 

[Desert Fox]

Maybe if Pakistanis had a philosophy of hard work and enterprise they wouldn't be as poor as they are.
Baba Jinnah exhorted us to "Kaam, Kaam aur Kaam".
Maybe the West, in this instance, has got it right.

Good work ethic has absolutely nothing to do with secularism.

In fact when the White overlords of our Pakistani libturds were busy slaughtering each other in the medieval era, it was Prophet Muhammad (SAW) who preached that honest work is a form of worship for the Muslim, and that every Muslim should strive to be a giver (producer) rather than a taker (consumer).

"Hakim ibn Hizam, may Allah be pleased with him. narrated that the Prophet, peace be upon him, said: «The hand which gives is better than which takes and start giving first to your dependents."

"The Prophet said: ‘Verily, Allah loves that when anyone of you does something he does it perfectly.’ [Al Bukhari]"

I know that for Pakistani libturds who will worship the feces of their white colonial master this might be a shocking fact, but Islam already has addressed every concern and issue of life.

 

[Redbeanpaste]

But there is no concept of Church in Islam.

There won't be a mosque if there are no Muslim. A Muslim is a mosque in himself.

The power of the clergy. We do have clergy. And they do have power.

 

[El Sidd]

name onE state that has progressed beyond human liabilities ...whatever that means.

Name on Nation State like Pakistan?

 

[Uguduwa]

With a gangster name like this he has a bright future in a hip hop career

 

[Redbeanpaste]

I know that for Pakistani libturds who will worship the feces of their white colonial master this might be a shocking fact, but Islam already has addressed every concern and issue of life.

and yet muslim countries today are rife with crime, poverty and war

 

[Desert Fox]

and aggressively police their borders to find illegal immigrants trying to find a way i

Yeah after having first bombed and destroyed every other country turning the peoples into refugees. I'm sure everyone in the world is dying to have their children transformed into gender-confused persons who attend gay pride parades

and yet muslim countries today are rife with crime, poverty and war

Yeah, like the Iraq invasion 2003, the destabilization of Libya, the intervention In Syria, the invasion of Iraq. Nothing to do with Western governments invading these countries under false pretexts or supporting terrorist organizations or propping up brutal dictators. It's all Islams fault