US Navy can’t keep up with China’s PLA in shipbuilding, service chief says

[etylo]

The US will target every Chinese ship, naval base, and shipyard in the event of conflict. Once enough Chinese ships are sunk, China doesn’t have a prayer in producing more at the pace needed.

If you do that, US will be destroyed too.

 

[beijingwalker]

If you do that, US will be destroyed too.

True, but US fanatics would rather kill themselves to kill China, we have to be well prepared.

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[jhungary]

OP need to give it a rest.

1.) US Navy was already established, there are no more room to build more ship. Bear in mind US Navy is a very big organisation, it's over 700,000 personnel (550,000 military, 150,000 civil) compared to PLAN 450,000 - 500,000 estimate. All the US naval billing has been filled, the US Navy can't build any ship until some decommissioned.

Chinese Navy on the other hand is playing catch up, they would have to build more ship in order to get to where the US Navy WAS (not is). technologically US Navy is very streamline, unlike PLAN.

2.) Fleet is limited by port, and US have a longer coastline as well as more Oversea Territories than China (12 vs 0) So, US are always going to be able to handle more ship than the Chinese, unless China can fix/service their ship inland..

3.) Fleet number is not really everything. As explained on the other Number don't win battle nor war, it's always tactics, maneuver and will to fight dictate the outcome.

 

[Stranagor]

US Navy can’t keep up with China’s PLA in shipbuilding, service chief says​

By Brad Lendon and Haley Britzky, CNN
Updated 3:45 AM EST, Wed February 22, 2023

China’s navy has significant advantages over its US rival, including a bigger fleet and greater shipbuilding capacity, as Beijing seeks to project its power across the oceans, the head of the United States Navy said Tuesday.

Speaking at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, US Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro said China “consistently attempts to violate the maritime sovereignty and economic well-being of other nations including our allies in the South China Sea and elsewhere.”

“They got a larger fleet now so they’re deploying that fleet globally,” he said, adding that Washington must upgrade the US fleet in response.

“We do need a larger Navy, we do need more ships in the future, more modern ships in the future, in particular that can meet that threat,” he said.

China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy could be fielding up to 400 ships in the coming years, the Navy secretary said – up from about 340 now.

Meanwhile, the US fleet sits at under 300 ships.

According to the US Navy’s Navigation Plan 2022 released last summer, the Pentagon’s goal is to have 350 manned ships by 2045 – still well short of the projection for China’s fleet.

Before that target is met, however, the US fleet is expected to shrink as older vessels are retired, according to a November report from the US Congressional Budget Office.

Del Toro’s claims​

Del Toro said Tuesday that US naval shipyards can’t match the output of Chinese ones. As with fleet size, it’s about numbers.

“They have 13 shipyards, in some cases their shipyard has more capacity – one shipyard has more capacity than all of our shipyards combined. That presents a real threat,” he claimed.

Del Toro did not give a breakdown of those shipyards, but Chinese and Western reports say China has six major and two smaller shipyards building naval vessels.

In the US, seven shipyards produce large and deep draft ships for the US Navy and Coast Guard, according to an October report from Brent Sadler at the Center for National Defense.

But no matter the number of shipyards, they need workers, and Del Toro says China has a numerical advantage there, largely because it is free of the restrictions, regulations and economic pressures that affect labor in the US.

One big US problem is finding skilled labor, he said.

“[W]hen you have unemployment at less than 4%, it makes it a real challenge whether you’re trying to find workers for a restaurant or you’re trying to find workers for a shipyard,” the Navy leader said.

He also said China can do things the US can’t.

“They’re a communist country, they don’t have rules by which they abide by,” he said.

“They use slave labor in building their ships, right – that’s not the way we should do business ever, but that’s what we’re up against so it does present a significant advantage,” he claimed.

CNN has reached out to China’s Foreign Ministry for reaction to Del Toro’s allegations.

US advantages​

Del Toro did not supply specifics to support the slave labor allegation, and analysts expressed doubt that Beijing would resort to such a tactic.

“China has a very large pool of available manpower and it wouldn’t really make sense to use slave labor in a high-tech sector vital to their national security,” said Blake Herzinger, a nonresident fellow and Indo-Pacific defense policy expert at the American Enterprise Institute.

Herzinger said comments like that from the Navy chief are indicative of a pattern where US attention is put in the wrong place – to the detriment of US abilities.

“This seems unfortunately common, that Navy leadership throws stones at real or imagined faults in Chinese shipbuilding rather than reckoning with US failures over two decades to conceptualize, design and build ships for its own navy,” Herzinger said.

According to a US Congressional Research Service report from November, the US Navy has taken steps to address the gap with China, including assigning more of its fleet to the Pacific and using newer and more capable ships in Pacific roles.

And Del Toro said Tuesday that the US retains one big advantage over China – “our people.”

“In many ways our shipbuilders are better shipbuilders, that’s why we have a more modern, more capable, more lethal Navy than they do,” he said.

US military personnel are better on their feet, too, Del Toro contended.

“They script their people to fight, we actually train our people to think,” he said.

“There’s a fundamental difference in how we train our Marines and our sailors and our soldiers and our airmen and our Space Force in this country that gives us an inherent advantage over anything the Chinese can put up.”

US can't keep up with China's warship building, Navy Secretary says | CNN

China's navy has significant advantages over its US rival, including a bigger fleet and greater shipbuilding capacity, as Beijing seeks to project its power across the oceans, the head of the United States Navy said Tuesday.

www.cnn.com

The benefits of having a free media: most, if not all, voices are heard.

Very different from tyrannical uniformity which generates visually impressive parades and chareographies.

 

[beijingwalker]

US Can’t Match China In Shipbuilding: US Navy Chief​

23-02-2023 12:00 PM

China’s navy has significant advantages over US’, including a bigger fleet and greater shipbuilding capacity, as Beijing seeks to project its power across the oceans, the head of the US Navy US Navy Secretary Carlos Del Toro said on Tuesday.

Del Toro, who was speaking at the National Press Club in Washington DC, said China “consistently attempts to violate the maritime sovereignty and economic well-being of other nations including our allies in the South China Sea and elsewhere.”

“They got a larger fleet now so they’re deploying that fleet globally,” he said, adding US must upgrade the its fleet in response.

China’s Navy could be fielding up to 400 ships in the coming years – up from about 340 now. The US’ fleet is under 300 ships.

As per the US Navy’s Navigation Plan 2022 released last summer, the Pentagon’s goal is to have 350 manned ships by 2045 – still well short of the projection for China’s fleet. However, before that target is met, the US fleet may shrink as older vessels are retired, as per a November report from the US Congressional Budget Office.

Further, Del Toro said on Tuesday that US naval shipyards can’t match their Chinese counterparts in output. “They have 13 shipyards, in some cases their shipyard has more capacity – one shipyard has more capacity than all of our shipyards combined. That presents a real threat,” he claimed.

In addition to that, Del Toro says China has a numerical advantage there, largely because it is free of the restrictions, regulations and economic pressures that affect labor in the US. “They’re a communist country, they don’t have rules by which they abide by,” he said. Agencies

US can’t match China in shipbuilding: US Navy chief

US can’t match China in shipbuilding: US Navy chief

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[gambit]

OP need to give it a rest.

1.) US Navy was already established, there are no more room to build more ship. Bear in mind US Navy is a very big organisation, it's over 700,000 personnel (550,000 military, 150,000 civil) compared to PLAN 450,000 - 500,000 estimate. All the US naval billing has been filled, the US Navy can't build any ship until some decommissioned.

Chinese Navy on the other hand is playing catch up, they would have to build more ship in order to get to where the US Navy WAS (not is). technologically US Navy is very streamline, unlike PLAN.

2.) Fleet is limited by port, and US have a longer coastline as well as more Oversea Territories than China (12 vs 0) So, US are always going to be able to handle more ship than the Chinese, unless China can fix/service their ship inland..

3.) Fleet number is not really everything. As explained on the other Number don't win battle nor war, it's always tactics, maneuver and will to fight dictate the outcome.

This thread will be spammed to bury the facts.

 

[F-22Raptor]

OP need to give it a rest.

1.) US Navy was already established, there are no more room to build more ship. Bear in mind US Navy is a very big organisation, it's over 700,000 personnel (550,000 military, 150,000 civil) compared to PLAN 450,000 - 500,000 estimate. All the US naval billing has been filled, the US Navy can't build any ship until some decommissioned.

Chinese Navy on the other hand is playing catch up, they would have to build more ship in order to get to where the US Navy WAS (not is). technologically US Navy is very streamline, unlike PLAN.

2.) Fleet is limited by port, and US have a longer coastline as well as more Oversea Territories than China (12 vs 0) So, US are always going to be able to handle more ship than the Chinese, unless China can fix/service their ship inland..

3.) Fleet number is not really everything. As explained on the other Number don't win battle nor war, it's always tactics, maneuver and will to fight dictate the outcome.

The benefits of having a free media: most, if not all, voices are heard.

Very different from tyrannical uniformity which generates visually impressive parades and chareographies.

What the Secretary won’t tell you is the US Navy has more than double the number of VLS cells than the Chinese and US carrier aviation is light years ahead of Chinas.

Not to mention Chinas dozen shipyards will be continuously bombed during a war.

 

[beijingwalker]

Not to mention Chinas dozen shipyards will be continuously bombed during a war.

Lol, you are just all mouth

 

[F-22Raptor]

Lol, you are just all mouth

You trying to convince yourself the US hasn’t presighted every inch of Chinese naval yards in its war plans? The US has in excess of 10,000 cruise missiles and bombs in the hundreds of thousands. China will never be able to produce ships at the pace needed to sustain a war against the U.S.

US naval yards are relatively safe.

 

[beijingwalker]

You trying to convince yourself the US hasn’t presighted every inch of Chinese naval yards in its war plans? The US has in excess of 10,000 cruise missiles and bombs in the hundreds of thousands. China will never be able to produce ships at the pace needed to sustain a war against the U.S.

US naval yards are relatively safe.

Keep using your mouth cannon, truly powerful, lol..

 

[jhungary]

What the Secretary won’t tell you is the US Navy has more than double the number of VLS cells than the Chinese and US carrier aviation is light years ahead of Chinas.

Not to mention Chinas dozen shipyards will be continuously bombed during a war.

I think I read somewhere that the 21 US Carrier and Jeep carrier combine weight more than the entire PLAN. Considering that mean 11 carrier (over 1.9 million tonnage) and 10 Helicopter carrier (over 400,000 tonnage)

This thread will be spammed to bury the facts.

Well, that's because that's how they earn money from......

The benefits of having a free media: most, if not all, voices are heard.

Very different from tyrannical uniformity which generates visually impressive parades and chareographies.

Kind of remind me this

Try to look for one that with that Russian Spoke Person meme but seems like the meme world has not yet catch up with that dude.

 

[gambit]

What the Secretary won’t tell you is the US Navy has more than double the number of VLS cells than the Chinese and US carrier aviation is light years ahead of Chinas.

Not to mention Chinas dozen shipyards will be continuously bombed during a war.

Let us bring back a PDF Chinese classic: China will win because the J-20 have diverterless inlets.

 

[beijingwalker]

Let us bring back a PDF Chinese classic: China will win because the J-20 have diverterless inlets.

The classic is everything made in China was made by "slave laborers", belief shared from top US generals to toilet cleaners to you in US.

 

[huanghong]

I think I read somewhere that the 21 US Carrier and Jeep carrier combine weight more than the entire PLAN. Considering that mean 11 carrier (over 1.9 million tonnage) and 10 Helicopter carrier (over 400,000 tonnage)


Well, that's because that's how they earn money from......


Kind of remind me this

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Try to look for one that with that Russian Spoke Person meme but seems like the meme world has not yet catch up with that dude.

11 carriers (over 1.9 million tons) - Average 170,000tons per boat? This is fantasy world

 

[jhungary]

11 carriers (over 1.9 million tons) - Average 170,000tons per boat? This is fantasy world

The loaded tonnage is 130000 long tons (105,000 ton ship with aircraft and crew and fuel and so on) that's 150000 short ton per. 11 of those would have been around 1.8/1.9 ish millions tons.

On the other hand, did the entire PLAN reaching 1 millions tons yet? You have 3 Carriers (1 still outfitting) 3 LHD, 51 Destroyer and 49 Frigate. It's a long LONG way to reach 1 millions tonnage.