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India opposes Bhutan’s diplomatic ties with China

Bhutanese want their northern and western border opened for their relative Chinese which could really protect them and southern border closed for Indian but they actually they have no right to do so.Well done Indian aliens.

Relative Chinese?:eek: :omghaha::omghaha:
 
Is it really a laughing point?

frankly specking,Yes.. :omghaha:

by the way,you should learn that we're giving them guidance on their "foreign and Defence" matters,not controlling it.and if someone(like one Chinese member) wonders why Bhutan even agreed to do it,you've to go in 1950s.Friendship Treaty with Bhutan wasn't what it became.it was a fair and square treaty.but when China occupied Tibet and their occupation created Sino-Bhutan Border dispute,Bhutan tried to forge ties with India so that they could remain sovereign.frankly specking,if Nepal and Bhutan didn't chose India,they could be part of "Middle Kingdom" by now.

in 1959,when there were possibility that China may occupy Bhutan,India reiterated its stand.see,even now,according to some reports,when PLA soldiers positioned them inside Bhutan,India sent its own soldiers to guard the border.
by the way,if someone thinks we "dictate" Bhutan and suck their blood,they should know that they gets roughly 1/3 of annual foreign aid of India each year.plus,they're not bound to follow each time when they import arms.thats why they use multiple arms from foreign companies.

this BD lungi journalism and its delusion..:cuckoo:
 
Bhutan Elections: A case of India’s diplomatic bankruptcy!

By Anand Swaroop Verma

The recently concluded second general election in Bhutan on July 13 has once again exposed the bankruptcy of India’s foreign policy. This election saw the defeat of ruling incumbent Druk Phuensum Tshogpa (DPT) at the hands of main opposition party Peoples’ Democratic Party (PDP), which secured 35 votes against 12 votes of DPT. It must be noted that in the National Assembly’s primary election held on May 31, DPT got 33 votes as compared to 12 of PDP. The other two parties that took part in primary election namely Druk Namdruk Tshogpa (DNT) and Druk Chirwang Tshogpa(DCT) got two and none respectively. As per Bhutan’s constitution, the final election is held between winner and runner-up of primary elections. It is very striking to note as to what happened within just one and a half month from May 31 to July 13 that DPT lost its electoral base and finally lost to PDP.

In fact, the Government of India had stopped subsidizing kerosene and cooking gas for Bhutan in the first week of July. It is interesting to know that this sanction did not originate from financial constraints or whatsoever of the Indian Oil Corporation rather directed by the external affairs ministry of GOI. Actually, Indian government was unhappy with DPT leader and Bhutanese Prime Minister Jigme Y. Thinley because it held that Thinley was arbitrarily running his foreign affairs. On the other hand, supporters of Thinley argued that regardless of being neighbor to a big country and receiving economic support from it, any sovereign nation does not lose its universal right to decide its foreign affairs. It is to be reminded that although there was a provision in the Indo-Bhutan Friendship Treaty of 1949 that Bhutan would run its foreign policy on India’s advice, but the renewed treaty of 2007 had omitted the clause after which Bhutan became independent to shape its foreign policy at its own end. It is a different scenario altogether that still there are many official and unofficial arrangements that ensure whoever is in power there will have to abide by the interests of India while shaping Bhutan’s internal and external policies. Prime Minister Thinley was obviously well aware of this so he did nothing during his tenure that could possibly thwart India’s security concerns.

Then what is the reason behind India’s resentment? The conundrum is rooted in an international convention held last year in Brazil’s Rio de Janeiro where Bhutan’s PM Thinley had an informal chat with the then Chinese Premier. China is Bhutan’s immediate neighbor other than India despite this was the first meeting between both heads of governments. India’s stance towards Bhutan changed in this backdrop when external affairs officials started talking off the record that Bhutan was now getting out of control. Since Bhutan’s all ten five-year plans till date have been supported by India and many hydel projects too are dependent on India’s aid (benefitting India only), so it was indigestible for India to see Bhutan getting close with China. It was not just the meeting of leaders but procurement of 15 Chinese buses by Bhutan in particular that invited India’s ire.

The issue is not confined to relations with China alone. India never wants Bhutan to foster relations with any country. Bhutan had diplomatic relations with 22 countries until 2008 that flourished in Thinley’s regime and number increased to 53. Bhutan has no diplomatic relation with China until date but India is wary of the possibility in future as Bhutan-China border dispute is largely sorted out now. Indian government is aware of Chinese plan to lay rail line up to Chumbi Valley located at the interjection of India (Sikkim)-Bhutan-China (Tibet) and the very day this project is completed; Bhutan will become free from the obligation that arises due to its three-sided land locked territory from India. This rail line project is inevitable as China is pressing hard on it. India would have accepted this situation in advance and framed its strategy accordingly but this is sheer bankruptcy of its diplomacy that the country on which it has spent billions so far is now being pushed to a politically amphibious state.

Apart from cutting subsidy on oil and gas to Bhutan, India has also announced nonpayment of excise duty refund and scrapping subsidy on power generated from Chukha hydel project. India has argued that due to economic reasons it has scrapped subsidy in its various sectors too, but people of Bhutan are not easily convinced with this logic. They know that amounts saved by cutting subsidy in a country of more than a billion and Bhutan, that has a mere 6-7 lac population, are not comparable. This is insignificant for India. Bhutanese people have perceived this as an arm twisting tactics of Indian establishment and India through its move just on the eve of elections has reached out with the message that they will have to face more sanctions if they vote back Thinley’s party DPT to power. In response to resenting Bhutanese people, external affairs ministry of India had assured that the issue would be resolved through bilateral talks with the new government. This was a clear indication of regime change in Bhutan and its citizens did no mistake to read this in true context.

The reaction to India’s move in Bhutan cannot be termed as healthy and positive in the bilateral relations. Indian establishment will have to pay a price for this eventually. Wangcha Sangye, a popular blogger of Bhutan wrote in his blog:

“National interests of Bhutan have to rise over and above the politics of always playing the Indian tune. We are not just good neighbors of India. We are a good and reliable friend of India. But Bhutan and Bhutanese are sovereignty unto our self. Therefore Bhutan’s paramount national interests and affairs just cannot be only pleasing India. We have to please ourselves too!”

He made scathing comments in the same blog further, “Why do Indian media and politicians want to castrate Bhutan for the most harmless relationship effort with China? Just the other day, I heard a rumour of a bureaucrat of India chastising Bhutanese leadership of being “dishonest”. What the hell is that suppose to mean? Which national leaders and governments bare its soul to another nation? We are not paid sex workers that benefactors need to know when our eyelashes and asses move and in which direction”.

Wangcha Sangye has expressed the sentiments of Bhutanese people through his blog. After the elections I talked to one of my acquaintances in Phuentsholing (Bhutan) who is a supporter of DPT. He told me that he too had voted in favor of PDP on July 13 because he was assured that if DPT returns to power, India will not roll back subsidy cuts. He said that there was a further indication that India may stop aiding five-year plans too.

It must be recalled that more than one lakh Bhutanese people were ousted from the southern part of this country in 1990-91 when they had demanded democracy. India was hand in gloves with Bhutanese king in this act. It has took some time for Bhutanese citizens and left out Lhotsampas (Bhutanese people of Nepalese origin) in southern part to heal their wounds when they are again exposed to the tragic subsidy cut and anti-Thinley politics of India. PDP’s victory has although instilled a sense of satisfaction in India’s establishment and an interim assurance to the Bhutanese people that they will not be pauperized any more, but its consequences will prove to be unpleasant in the long run. India’s foreign policy makers will have to rethink over its mentality towards neighbors and realize the need to rectify it at the outset.

The author is a New Delhi based senior left-wing journalist and editor of Hindi journal ‘Samkaleen Teesari Duniya’.

Bhutan Elections: A case of India’s diplomatic bankruptcy! : Bhutan News Network
 
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India will not allow Bhutan to engage with China: Report

BEIJING: The recent withdrawal of subsidies on cooking gas and kerosene to Bhutan, since revived, has raised the hackles in China, with a state-run daily saying India will not allow Bhutan to freely engage with it.

"The withdrawal of subsidies before Bhutan's elections reflected that India never gives up its power politics where it doesn't need to", an article written by a scholar from a state-run think tank in the ruling Communist Party of China's mouthpiece Global Times said today.

"India won't allow Bhutan to freely engage in diplomacy with China and solve the border issue," Liu Zengyi, a research fellow at Shanghai Institutes for International Studies said in his article titled, "New Delhi sees Bhutan as little more than potential protectorate".

"Besides, India will continue its stance on the Sino-Indian border dispute and strengthen its strategic posture", it said, referring to last year's attempts by China and Bhutan to establish diplomatic relations.

"Due to the Indian influence on Bhutan's elections, the wish of depending on democracy to maintain the sovereignty of Bhutan's royal family and its political elites has become a failure", the article published in the Chinese tabloid known for its hard-line views said.

The article alleged that Indian Ambassador to Bhutan V P Haran followed a "carrot-and-stick" policy and "played a big role" in the victory of the opposition Peace and Democratic Party (PDP) over the Druk Phuensum Tshogpa (DPT).

"Critics stated that the timing of India's subsidy withdrawal suggested it wanted to influence Bhutan's election results. Why did India, which is proud of being the largest democratic country in the world, venture to interfere in Bhutan's elections"? Liu's article asked.

India restored the supply of subsidised gas to Bhutan from August 1, a month after it was halted.

The article also stated that New Delhi was concerned over the strategic threat posed by China to the Siliguri Corridor.

"As a country located between China and India, Bhutan serves as a buffer and is of critical strategic importance to the Siliguri Corridor, a narrow stretch of land (known as chicken's neck) that connects India's north eastern states to the rest of India", it said.

India will not allow Bhutan to engage with China: Report - Economic Times

Note: Economic Times is an indian source. Indians who are complaining about the original news should eat their own ....
 
So creepy. This reminds me a lot of those stories of abusive parents who lock their children up in the basement, never allow them to interact with the outside world, and even make them eat their own fecal matter. Unfortunately, there's no intergovernmental equivalent to child protection services in the world - the UN is toothless in this regard.
 
:-):-)
As if we give a damn what India thinks or says :lol:

We will have relations with whoever the damn hell we want.

Is that why you get sick worried when countries try to develop relations with Taiwan, a de fact independent country:(
 
So creepy. This reminds me a lot of those stories of abusive parents who lock their children up in the basement, never allow them to interact with the outside world, and even make them eat their own fecal matter. Unfortunately, there's no intergovernmental equivalent to child protection services in the world - the UN is toothless in this regard.
Like you would LOVE to be able to do to Taiwan and Tibet who will one day break the umbilical chord
 
Unfolding China-Bhutan-India triangle no threat to New Delhi
Global Times | 2013-2-27 20:43:01
By Rajeev Sharma

China is on the cusp of establishing diplomatic ties with Bhutan, a country whose diplomatic relations have traditionally been managed by India for decades, a tiny, land-locked mountainous country that has thus far seen its foreign policy from the Indian prism.

In India, reactions to this impending development range from apprehensions about the Dragon eating into India's backyard to talks of an Indian foreign policy failure that would be solemnized with the establishment of diplomatic ties between China and Bhutan.

This is an immature way of looking at the way nations interface with one another in these times of the world being a global village.


Also, it reflects the attitude that the Indian diplomacy favors the status quo and cannot absorb changes. It is a flawed approach.

India should take the coming China-Bhutan diplomatic closeness as both a challenge and a test to its diplomacy. India cannot afford to adopt an ostrich-like approach to an inevitable development and keep its head burrowed in the sand. Why? Because the times are changing – and changing fast.


It is almost a similar scenario to which China was confronted with just a few years ago when the George W. Bush administration batted for India at the Nuclear Suppliers Group for an India-specific waiver and the Chinese were full of apprehension.

Though it is a different story altogether, the end result is that China accepted the fast changing times and fell in line.

India-Bhutan relations are strong and sturdy, and would not be effected by other powers wooing Bhutan.

It is a fact that Bhutan figures highest in terms of India pumping in its money, technology and human resources in any foreign country.

It is also a fact that Bhutan's economy is heavily dependent on India. This template is set to become increasingly stronger in the next couple of years. The Indian-Bhutanese cooperation in the power sector alone is enough to demonstrate this.

India is engaged in building at least 10 hydro-electric power projects in Bhutan, each with an installed capacity of 1,000 megawatts.


The magical transformation that a hydro-electric power project can bring about in the economy of a small state like Bhutan can be seen by the fact that when a mere 500-megawatt power project became operation in Bhutan five years ago, Bhutan's trade with India for the first time showed a surplus in 2007-08.

Now consider what the 10,000 megawatts of power, that are set to become available in Bhutan in just about three or four years time, will do to the Bhutanese economy. Will it not enhance India's image in the eyes of the Bhutanese? And if China can do better for the Bhutanese than India, then it is a win-win situation for Bhutan. India has no reasons to begrudge this, as Bhutan's well-being is in its interest.


China places a high priority on cozying up to Bhutan, diplomatically speaking. China has even agreed to put its boundary dispute with Bhutan on the back burner for the sake of engaging with Bhutan directly through its own diplomatic channels.

In other words, Beijing is telling Thimphu to get on with the task of setting full-fledged diplomatic relations while the boundary dispute resolution mechanism can take its own time
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Of course, China would be gaining an immense strategic leverage over India in the event of its improved diplomatic ties with Bhutan. China has been enlarging its strategic footprints in other Indian backyards like Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and Maldives, apart from Pakistan.

The biggest challenge for India in the unfolding China-Bhutan-India triangle would be if Bhutan, after it establishes formal diplomatic relations with China, does not do anything overtly or covertly that harms India's strategic interests.
The three stakeholders should be mature enough in their dealings with another to ensure that their bilateral engagements with one another do not alter the strategic balance in the region. There is enough space for all stakeholders to coexist peacefully.

The author is a New Delhi-based journalist-author and a strategic affairs analyst. bhootnath004@yahoo.com


Unfolding China-Bhutan-India triangle no threat to New Delhi - Globaltimes.cn
 
India will not allow Bhutan to engage with China: Report

BEIJING: The recent withdrawal of subsidies on cooking gas and kerosene to Bhutan, since revived, has raised the hackles in China, with a state-run daily saying India will not allow Bhutan to freely engage with it.

"The withdrawal of subsidies before Bhutan's elections reflected that India never gives up its power politics where it doesn't need to", an article written by a scholar from a state-run think tank in the ruling Communist Party of China's mouthpiece Global Times said today.

"India won't allow Bhutan to freely engage in diplomacy with China and solve the border issue," Liu Zengyi, a research fellow at Shanghai Institutes for International Studies said in his article titled, "New Delhi sees Bhutan as little more than potential protectorate".

"Besides, India will continue its stance on the Sino-Indian border dispute and strengthen its strategic posture", it said, referring to last year's attempts by China and Bhutan to establish diplomatic relations.

"Due to the Indian influence on Bhutan's elections, the wish of depending on democracy to maintain the sovereignty of Bhutan's royal family and its political elites has become a failure", the article published in the Chinese tabloid known for its hard-line views said.

The article alleged that Indian Ambassador to Bhutan V P Haran followed a "carrot-and-stick" policy and "played a big role" in the victory of the opposition Peace and Democratic Party (PDP) over the Druk Phuensum Tshogpa (DPT).

"Critics stated that the timing of India's subsidy withdrawal suggested it wanted to influence Bhutan's election results. Why did India, which is proud of being the largest democratic country in the world, venture to interfere in Bhutan's elections"? Liu's article asked.

India restored the supply of subsidised gas to Bhutan from August 1, a month after it was halted.

The article also stated that New Delhi was concerned over the strategic threat posed by China to the Siliguri Corridor.

"As a country located between China and India, Bhutan serves as a buffer and is of critical strategic importance to the Siliguri Corridor, a narrow stretch of land (known as chicken's neck) that connects India's north eastern states to the rest of India", it said.

India will not allow Bhutan to engage with China: Report - Economic Times

Note: Economic Times is an indian source. Indians who are complaining about the original news should eat their own ....

This obnoxious behavior is driven by India's insecurity.
 
Lol Bhutan is essentially a protectorate of India.

India dare not to defy China, and want to assume the protection role of Bhutan? :lol:, have you ever got a taste of Brahmaputra water :lol:, The day when we settle the score with India, most likely that Bhutan will become a protectorate of China :lol:

:-):-)

Is that why you get sick worried when countries try to develop relations with Taiwan, a de fact independent country:(

And have India ever try to develop relation with Taiwan? We have try with Bhutan and India couldn't do anything just mumbling then cry in the corner. The best it could do was cut Buthan cooking oil and Gas and other financial aid, you Indian wouldn't dare to face China head a head over Bhutan issue....LMAO
 
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1. Post-Brit India has exploited the geographical situation of Bhutan to make it a vassal state. Bhutan's foreign affairs and defense have been taken over by India. SBI owns 25% of Bhutan's reserve bank. I/Rs and BTN are both legal tender in both nations. Both currencies are exchangeable at equal rate at face value. In other words, it is the same currency bearing different look and name.There is no border posts or checking. The so called "open border". Indians are employed in Bhutanese corporations run by the govt.

2. Under the guise of IMTRAT and BRO India maintains a strong military presence in Bhutan commanded by a Lieut Gen. Many locations in Bhutan can be visited by outsiders only with the permission of IA. Ha valley is an example. The mountain stream passing through, with a small water channel, provides a hard surface for mechanized troops. This is one of the popular routes used by smugglers of Tibetan goods into Kolkata market.

3. There was no foreign mission allowed in Thimpu.The Indian ambassador was appropriately called the Resident. This changed when Morarji Desai took over. Our Gen Zia obtained Desai's clearance and quickly exchanged ambassadors. Indian Resident was compelled to rename himself an ambassador. King Wangchuk had to face a dressing down by Indira upon her return to power.But Bhutan had opened up, thanks to Gen Zia of BD.
 
Iresspective of the swamping Indo-phobic perverts verbal diarrhoea.

Lets hear it straight from the horse's mouth -

Bhutan King himself on relations with China-

The former King emphasized that the issue with the Chinese is not a conventional border dispute but is instead one solely relating to demarcating a rugged border. He remained confident that if an appropriate international commission were appointed, it would have no choice but to come to the conclusion that the territory in question was never historically under the control or use of Tibet, the basis for China's claim.

Cable reference id: #08NEWDELHI2911

The Fourth King confided, "the Bhutanese have never looked fondly on China" given its actions in Tibet in the 1950s and 1960s; consequently, the government pursues a "cautious policy" with China. His Majesty also divulged that negotiations on the demarcation of Bhutan's northern border have not progressed because China has been "surprisingly difficult." He explained many Bhutanese had expected greater "generosity" from China given its relative size; however, China has frustrated Bhutanese negotiators by offering to return land that already belongs to Bhutan in exchange for land in disputed areas. Stalled border talks have prevented Bhutan from opening trade routes with its northern neighbor, despite reports from the Economic Minister that China is "very keen" to proceed.

Cable reference id: #09NEWDELHI319

Some nations believe in ceeding terrirtory to China without a fight, I guess Bhutan is not one among them

On the whole lets not forget, Bhutan was the only South Asian nation to assit in India in 1962 war.
 

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