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Indian Air Force - A National Embarrassment

Weapons employed by PAF arent standoff in the strictest sense, so this operation was done well within Indian ADGE and their so called “impenetrable” SAM capabilities.
"Copy and paste" from the user manuals aren't the best engineering practices....

You don't own the system unless you drill the screws, under the labels of "warranty gone if opened", out and open the system for visuals....
 
According to Indian claims that guy died in an MI17 crash due to technical failure...and his dad wants a war with Pak? Shouldn't he be mad at Indians in charge of overseeing maintenance of this chopper? And shouldn't he understand the risks involved when someone joins the military?

Strange and fishy indeed
 
http://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=29682&mode=view
this is the pic which indians are claiming as pak f-16.
it is clearly mig 21.
indians are simply pathetic
When Allah-u Azimushshan wants to punish a nation first HE takes away their Akl, and then HE makes them a subject of ridicule....

According to Indian claims that guy died in an MI17 crash due to technical failure...and his dad wants a war with Pak? Shouldn't he be mad at Indians in charge of overseeing maintenance of this chopper? And shouldn't he understand the risks involved when someone joins the military?
I think the Indian folks think "military" is just another job with good perks and privileges!!!! And, it also brings in a good dowry....
 
According to Indian claims that guy died in an MI17 crash due to technical failure...and his dad wants a war with Pak? Shouldn't he be mad at Indians in charge of overseeing maintenance of this chopper? And shouldn't he understand the risks involved when someone joins the military?

Well don't want to sound like mysterious way but, local reported shooting down an IAF jet at Budgam & seen chutes as well. Then, a chopper in same area is reported to be crashed that too with 6 IAF personnel on board. So following the claim of local, that also recorded a video with voice chat detailing everything, there was a twin seat jet going down & then may be a chopper was there to pick them up but met ill fate. Here, I will clarify that Pakistan did not claim shooting down chopper MI-17 of India, & Indians acknowledged that as a Tech Fault. It will take time but will be clarified. May be his father grieved knowing that his son with Co. were pilots of twin seat IAF jet but not much made out till now. Remember that Pakistan officially cannot rely upon some random local source from IoK Budgam area.
 
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@Bilal Khan 777 Sir, can this pic summarize your whole post...?
 
Gentlemen,

Today's Indian Tri-Service briefing highlights the utter failure of Indian Air Defences, and the sheer incompetency of the Indian Air Force. I write this brief based on what the Indian side is saying:

Time on Target, 1000 Hours:
- Twenty Four Pakistan Aircraft, F16s, Mirages, and JF17s enter Rajauri Sector in Indian Administered Occupied Jammu and Kashmir Area, with the intention to attack military targets.

- Indian Air Force responds by 08 aircraft, Mig-21 Bisons, Sun 30Mki, and upgrades Mirage 2000s.

- Indian Air Force Prevents PAF from engaging the ground targets, and all TWENTY FOUR Pakistani Aircraft Runaway.

- Indian Air Force gives chase, and shoots down ONE F-16. It falls in Pakistani Territory.

- In the ensuing air battle, ONE Mig-21 Bison is shot down and its pilot due to wind lands in Pakistan.

- One mangled piece/rocket motor of AIM-120 Charlie 5 Air to Air Missile is Shown to Public as Evidence.

- No Evidence is Shown on Balakot Attack, and all the other claims.

Points to be Considered
- Pakistan's Air Force undertakes the attack in Broad daylight, and with a forewarning.
- Pakistan successfully demonstrates Air and Land SOW and BVR capability without any interception.
- Pakistan successfully demonstrates its superior planning and execution skills.
- Pakistan further demonstrates its dominance on the air battle, network centricity, and on the complete EW spectrum.
- Pakistan sends 24 aircraft, and as per Indian Claims, and IAF claims to be able to shoot down only one, that too not over Indian Soil
- India fails to intercept, and allows to escape 23 enemy aircraft in a single air raid.
- Indian Aircraft are all top of the line, all BVR capable, all networked, all with CFDs, and all with latest MWS, Su30 with IRST, and all with AEW support.
- Pakistan claims to have shot down two aircraft. One wreckage on Pakistani side, another wreckage on Indian side.
- Successful rescue, arrest and medical treatment of Indian Pilot from Kashmiri mob, who, after years of Indian atrocities, make an attempt to take it out on the pilot.
- No talk from Indian side on the pilots of aircraft wreckage on Indian side, they claim to be technical on Indian side.
- Alleged successful usage of JF17, F16 etc against the most modern aircraft of IAF
- Missing wreckage of alleged F16, with no public posting, despite social media being rampant on Pakistani side of J&K where allegedly the F16 fell.

Conclusion
Indian Air Force has proved to be an embarrassment to their country, and to fighter pilots everywhere. They need to really reconsider what they are doing, and not fly any further till they rethink their involvement in becoming an election tool for the BJP party. If they want to continue to put up this kind of show and further embarrass themselves and their entire country, they don't deserve to wear fighter wings. If they are really the best of what India can produce, Pakistan has nothing to fear.

Maybe the Indian ACM, AOC for the Sector, and Deputy CAS Ops call it a day.

Brilliant post sir. Much needed thread to show mirror to our enemies.
 
I am 100% sure ISPR will do some serious damage to Indian egos in a few days.

They should do that. Don't let enemy get away with fake kills when you are clearly on top

Nice way to get away from question. If you search serial number it clearly says it belongs to jordan.

It also says that is active with Jordan airforce and not transferred to paf

It also says that it was a Jordanian block 20 mlu while the f16 that paf bought from Jordan were block 15a/b

So it is not a f16 of paf

Stop embarrassing yourself by believing in dumb propoganda of Indians. I know you are better than them.
 
This post is intrusting read ,,,,,,,, heli is down some 100+km inside IOK,,,,,, but father of 2nd piolet want revenge from Pakistan...…… Strang and fishy……..
I have a theory. Need some thoughts. Posted it on two other threads too. I think that we have more than one Indian Pilot in custody but Abhi is being released because his video surfaced and now the whole world knows it .. We have to treat him well and take care of him as per conventions and can't get any secret out of him. But the other pilot is being kept hidden and India also isn't claiming him because it would be an insult to admit that there's another one as they have clearly said that only one was shot down. So probably Pakistan is gonna use the other pilot and get secrets out of him like technical details of aircraft and other important info.
If its true, WIN WIN for us
And yeah maybe India is using the helicopter crash to include one of the pilots in the crash casualities
 
I am very surprised that the DGISPR stated yesterday and immediately that we have struck near but not on a military administrative post but we could have but chose not too. This all in the daylight as well as with an advance declaration. The Indians confirmed it with the usually bluster that the target was a HQ but it fell in the compound. The compound!!!! This has to be one of the most precise strikes and just shows the massive balls of the brass and the pilots.
 
If anyone wants to see an aspect that was missed -

@Bilal Khan 777 perhaps a quick comment on the difficulty of coordinating a 24 aircraft strike package from different airbases while navigating a hostile ADGE is missing.
If that is indeed the package size, it is indicative of skill.
 
If anyone wants to see an aspect that was missed -

@Bilal Khan 777 perhaps a quick comment on the difficulty of coordinating a 24 aircraft strike package from different airbases while navigating a hostile ADGE is missing.
If that is indeed the package size, it is indicative of skill.

Shows utmost professionalism.
 
2 Indian jets downed. Single seat and dual seat, total of 3 pilots. The initial information was hazy and it was possibly assumed that all 3 pilots parachuted into Pakistan. Eventually information updated to reflect just the one. The other 2 probably landed in India.
 
The funny thing is if a F-16 actually was shot down the americans would be the first confirm it.

all PAF F-16 are tracked by USA.

further no real evidence provided by the indians.. if they claim F-16 was shot down then show us the radar lock.... heck even the saudi showed us evidence when they shot down 2 iraqi mirages during GW1

Indians are only fooling them selves
 

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