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1985-1989: Bin Ladens Mentor Azzam Recruits Fighters All Over World with Apparent CIA Support
Sheikh Abdullah Azzam giving a speech in the US in February 1988. [Source: CNN]
Bin Ladens mentor Abdullah Azzam frequently travels all over the world with the apparent support of the CIA. Slate will later write, Azzam trotted the globe during the 1980s to promote the Afghan jihad against the Soviets. By the time of his death in 1989, he had recruited between 16,000 and 20,000 mujaheddin from 20 countries to Afghanistan, visited 50 American cities to advance his cause, and dispatched acolytes to spread the gospel in 26 US states, not to mention across the Middle East and Europe. Slate calls him the Lenin of international jihad, noting that he didnt invent his movements ideas, but he furthered them and put them into practice around the world. [SLATE, 4/16/2002] At the time, the US is supporting the Afghans fighting the Soviets and it will later be alleged that the CIA supported Azzam as part of this effort. Barnett Rubin, a Columbia University professor and senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, will claim in 1995 that sources told him Azzam was enlisted by the CIA to help unite the fractious Afghan rebel groups. Rubin claims Azzam was considered a prime asset because of his close connections to the Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi intelligence, and the Muslim World League. But Azzam made no secret of his desire for a no compromise jihad to conquer the entire world. In 1988 in New Jersey, he says, Blood and martyrdom are the only way to create a Muslim society and he wants to ignite the spark that may one day burn Western interests all over the world. He is frequently accompanied on his US lecture tours by El-Sayyid Nosair and Clement Rodney Hampton-El, both of whom will later be convicted of al-Qaeda-linked attacks in the US. [NEW YORK MAGAZINE, 3/17/1995] CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) Executive Director Nihad Awad is a leader in the IAP (Islamic Association for Palestine) at this time. ISNA (Islamic Society of North America) affiliates, such as IAP and the MAYA (Muslim Arab Youth Association), host Azzam and arrange his visits to Islamic centers throughout the US. [NEW REPUBLIC, 2/27/2007]
1986-October 1999: New Jersey Firm Investors List Is Whos Who of Designated Terrorists
Soliman Biheiri. [Source: US Immigrations and Customs]
BMI Inc., a real estate investment firm based in Secaucus, New Jersey, is formed in 1986. Former counterterrorism tsar Richard Clarke will state in 2003, While BMI [has] held itself out publicly as a financial services provider for Muslims in the United States, its investor list suggests the possibility this facade was just a cover to conceal terrorist support. BMIs investor list reads like a whos who of designated terrorists and Islamic extremists. Investors in BMI include: [US CONGRESS, 10/22/2003]
Soliman Biheiri. He is the head of BMI for the duration of the companys existence. US prosecutors will later call him the US banker for the Muslim Brotherhood, a banned Egyptian militant group. Biheiris computer will eventually be searched and found to have contact information for Ghaleb Himmat and Youssef Nada, leaders of the Al Taqwa Bank, which is founded two years after BMI (see 1988). After 9/11, the US and UN will designate both Himmat and Nada and the Al Taqwa Bank as terrorist financiers, and the bank will be shut down (see November 7, 2001). US prosecutors say there are other ties between BMI and Al Taqwa, including financial transactions. Biheiri also has close ties with Yousuf Abdullah Al-Qaradawi. Qaradawi is said to be a high-ranking member of the Muslim Brotherhood, a shareholder in Al Taqwa, and has made statements supporting suicide bombings against Israel. In 2003, US investigators will accuse Biheiri of ties to terrorist financing. He will be convicted of immigration violations and lying to a federal agent (see June 15, 2003). [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/15/2003; FORWARD, 10/17/2003] Biheiri will be convicted of immigration fraud in 2003 and then convicted of lying to federal investigators in 2004 (see June 15, 2003).
Abdullah Awad bin Laden, a nephew of Osama bin Laden. He invests about a half-million dollars in BMI real estate ventures, earning a profit of $70,000. For most of the 1990s he runs the US branch of a Saudi charity called World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY). He is investigated by the FBI in 1996 (see February-September 11, 1996), and WAMY will be raided by US agents in 2004 (see June 1, 2004). The raid is apparently part of a larger investigation into terrorism financing. In 2001, at least two of the 9/11 hijackers will live three blocks away from the WAMY office (see March 2001 and After). [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/15/2003; WASHINGTON POST, 4/19/2004]
Nur and Iman bin Laden, two female relatives of Osama bin Laden. Abdullah Awad bin Laden will invest some of their money in a BMI real estate project. While their bin Laden family ties are intriguing, neither have been accused of any knowing connections to terrorist financing. [WASHINGTON POST, 4/19/2004]
Mousa Abu Marzouk. He has identified himself as a top leader of Hamas. The US declares him a terrorist in 1995 (see July 5, 1995-May 1997). BMI makes at least two transactions with Marzouk after he is declared a terrorist. [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/15/2003]
Yassin al-Qadi, a Saudi multimillionaire. His lawyers will later claim he has no terrorism ties and had only a passing involvement with BMI and liquidated his investment in it in 1996. However, another company operating from the same office as BMI is called Kadi International Inc. and lists its president as al-Qadi. Al-Qadi is also a major investor in the suspect computer company Ptech (see 1994; 1999-After October 12, 2001). Al-Qadi and BMI head Biheiri have financial dealings with Yaqub Mirza, a Pakistani who manages a group of Islamic charities in Virginia known as the SAAR network (see July 29, 1983). These charities will be raided in March 2002 on suspicions of terrorism ties (see March 20, 2002). Shortly after 9/11, the US will officially declare al-Qadi a terrorist financier (see October 12, 2001). [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/15/2003]
Saleh Kamel. BMI allegedly receives a $500,000 investment from the Dallah Al-Baraka banking conglomerate, which is headed by Kamel. For many years before 9/11, Omar al-Bayoumi, an associate of 9/11 hijackers Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, will receive a salary from Dallah, despite apparently doing no work. Some will accuse al-Bayoumi of involvement in funding the 9/11 plot, but that remains to been proven (see August 1994-July 2001). Kamel reportedly founded a Sudanese Islamic bank which housed accounts for senior al-Qaeda operatives. He is a multi-billionaire heavily involved in promoting Islam, and his name appears on the Golden Chain, a list of early al-Qaeda supporters (see 1988-1989). He denies supporting terrorism. [US CONGRESS, 10/22/2003; WALL STREET JOURNAL, 6/21/2004]
The Kuwait Finance House. According to Clarke, this organization is alleged to be a BMI investor and the financial arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in Kuwait. Several al-Qaeda operatives have allegedly been associated with the Kuwaiti Muslim Brotherhood, including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Suliman abu Ghaith, Wadih El-Hage, and Ramzi Yousef. In 2003, an apparent successor entity to the Kuwait Finance House will be designated as a terrorist entity by the US. A lawyer for the Kuwait Finance House will later say the bank has never let its accounts be used for terrorism. [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/15/2003; US CONGRESS, 10/22/2003; WALL STREET JOURNAL, 4/20/2005]
Tarek Swaidan. He is a Kuwaiti, an associate of al-Qadi, and a leading member of the Kuwaiti branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. It is unknown if he has made any denials about his alleged associations. [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/15/2003]
Abdurahman Alamoudi. For many years he runs the American Muslim Council, a lobby group founded by a top Muslim Brotherhood figure. US prosecutors say he also is in the Brotherhood, and has alleged ties to Hamas. In 2004, the US will sentence him to 23 years in prison for illegal dealings with Libya (see October 15, 2004). [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 6/21/2004; WASHINGTON POST, 10/16/2004]
The International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO) and the Muslim World League, closely connected Saudi charities suspected of financing terrorism. They give BMI $3.7 million out of a $10 million endowment from unknown Saudi donors. The Financial Times will later note, While it is not clear whether that money came from the Saudi government, [a 2003] affidavit quotes a CIA report that says the Muslim World League is largely financed by the government of Saudi Arabia. Both organizations consistently deny any support of terrorism financing, but in early 2006 it will be reported that US officials continue to suspect them of such support (see January 15, 2006). [FINANCIAL TIMES, 8/21/2003] In 1992, a branch of the IIRO gives $2.1 million to BMI Inc. to invest in real estate. The money disappears from BMIs books. In October 1999, BMI goes defunct after it is unable to repay this money to the IIRO branch. The IIRO branch gives BMI the rest of the $3.7 million between 1992 and 1998. BMI will use the money to buy real estate (see 1992). Eventually, some of this money will be given to Hamas operatives in the West Bank and spent on violent actions against Israel. This will eventually lead to legal action in the US and a seizure of some of the money. [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 11/26/2002; WASHINGTON POST, 8/20/2003; WASHINGTON TIMES, 3/26/2004; WASHINGTON POST, 4/19/2004] By 1992, BMI has projected revenues in excess of $25 million, based largely on their real estate investments in the US. [US CONGRESS, 10/22/2003] In early 1999, months before BMI goes defunct, the FBI hears evidence potentially tying BMI to the 1998 US embassy bombings (see 10:35-10:39 a.m., August 7, 1998), but an investigation into this will not be pursued (see Early 1999). It should be noted that BMI had many investors, and presumably most BMI investors would have had no suspicions that their money might be used to fund terrorism or other types of violence.
Early 1985: Salem Bin Laden Says Brother Osama Is Liaison between US, Afghan Rebels, and Saudi Government
Salem bin Laden tells one of his employees, George Harrington, that his brother Osama, is, according to a later account by Harrington, the liaison between the US, the Saudi government, and the Afghan rebels. Salem, head of the bin Laden family, also says that he must visit Osama in Peshawar, a base inside Pakistan for the anti-Soviet mujaheddin, to check on what equipment the Saudi government is funneling to him. The two men fly up together with another employee, Bengt Johansson, and meet Osama that day. Osama also gives his brother and the two employees a tour of some facilities in Peshawar, including refugee camps, a hospital and an orphanage, and Salem films them to publicize his brothers charitable work. [COLL, 2008, PP. 7-9]
1986: Bin Laden Works Indirectly with CIA
Osama bin Laden and Pakistans ISI, helped by the CIA, build the Khost tunnel complex in Afghanistan. This will be a major target of bombing and fighting when the US attacks the Taliban in 2001. [GUARDIAN, 11/13/2000; PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE, 9/23/2001; HINDU, 9/27/2001] In June 2001, one article mentions that bin Laden worked closely with Saudi, Pakistani, and US intelligence services to recruit mujaheddin from many Muslim countries. This information has not often been reported since 9/11. [UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL, 6/14/2001] It has been claimed that the CIA also funds Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK) (also known as Al-Kifah), bin Ladens main charity front in the 1980s (see 1984 and After). A CIA spokesperson will later state, For the record, you should know that the CIA never employed, paid, or maintained any relationship whatsoever with bin Laden. [ANANOVA, 10/31/2001]
Sheikh Abdullah Azzam giving a speech in the US in February 1988. [Source: CNN]
Bin Ladens mentor Abdullah Azzam frequently travels all over the world with the apparent support of the CIA. Slate will later write, Azzam trotted the globe during the 1980s to promote the Afghan jihad against the Soviets. By the time of his death in 1989, he had recruited between 16,000 and 20,000 mujaheddin from 20 countries to Afghanistan, visited 50 American cities to advance his cause, and dispatched acolytes to spread the gospel in 26 US states, not to mention across the Middle East and Europe. Slate calls him the Lenin of international jihad, noting that he didnt invent his movements ideas, but he furthered them and put them into practice around the world. [SLATE, 4/16/2002] At the time, the US is supporting the Afghans fighting the Soviets and it will later be alleged that the CIA supported Azzam as part of this effort. Barnett Rubin, a Columbia University professor and senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, will claim in 1995 that sources told him Azzam was enlisted by the CIA to help unite the fractious Afghan rebel groups. Rubin claims Azzam was considered a prime asset because of his close connections to the Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi intelligence, and the Muslim World League. But Azzam made no secret of his desire for a no compromise jihad to conquer the entire world. In 1988 in New Jersey, he says, Blood and martyrdom are the only way to create a Muslim society and he wants to ignite the spark that may one day burn Western interests all over the world. He is frequently accompanied on his US lecture tours by El-Sayyid Nosair and Clement Rodney Hampton-El, both of whom will later be convicted of al-Qaeda-linked attacks in the US. [NEW YORK MAGAZINE, 3/17/1995] CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) Executive Director Nihad Awad is a leader in the IAP (Islamic Association for Palestine) at this time. ISNA (Islamic Society of North America) affiliates, such as IAP and the MAYA (Muslim Arab Youth Association), host Azzam and arrange his visits to Islamic centers throughout the US. [NEW REPUBLIC, 2/27/2007]
1986-October 1999: New Jersey Firm Investors List Is Whos Who of Designated Terrorists
Soliman Biheiri. [Source: US Immigrations and Customs]
BMI Inc., a real estate investment firm based in Secaucus, New Jersey, is formed in 1986. Former counterterrorism tsar Richard Clarke will state in 2003, While BMI [has] held itself out publicly as a financial services provider for Muslims in the United States, its investor list suggests the possibility this facade was just a cover to conceal terrorist support. BMIs investor list reads like a whos who of designated terrorists and Islamic extremists. Investors in BMI include: [US CONGRESS, 10/22/2003]
Soliman Biheiri. He is the head of BMI for the duration of the companys existence. US prosecutors will later call him the US banker for the Muslim Brotherhood, a banned Egyptian militant group. Biheiris computer will eventually be searched and found to have contact information for Ghaleb Himmat and Youssef Nada, leaders of the Al Taqwa Bank, which is founded two years after BMI (see 1988). After 9/11, the US and UN will designate both Himmat and Nada and the Al Taqwa Bank as terrorist financiers, and the bank will be shut down (see November 7, 2001). US prosecutors say there are other ties between BMI and Al Taqwa, including financial transactions. Biheiri also has close ties with Yousuf Abdullah Al-Qaradawi. Qaradawi is said to be a high-ranking member of the Muslim Brotherhood, a shareholder in Al Taqwa, and has made statements supporting suicide bombings against Israel. In 2003, US investigators will accuse Biheiri of ties to terrorist financing. He will be convicted of immigration violations and lying to a federal agent (see June 15, 2003). [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/15/2003; FORWARD, 10/17/2003] Biheiri will be convicted of immigration fraud in 2003 and then convicted of lying to federal investigators in 2004 (see June 15, 2003).
Abdullah Awad bin Laden, a nephew of Osama bin Laden. He invests about a half-million dollars in BMI real estate ventures, earning a profit of $70,000. For most of the 1990s he runs the US branch of a Saudi charity called World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY). He is investigated by the FBI in 1996 (see February-September 11, 1996), and WAMY will be raided by US agents in 2004 (see June 1, 2004). The raid is apparently part of a larger investigation into terrorism financing. In 2001, at least two of the 9/11 hijackers will live three blocks away from the WAMY office (see March 2001 and After). [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/15/2003; WASHINGTON POST, 4/19/2004]
Nur and Iman bin Laden, two female relatives of Osama bin Laden. Abdullah Awad bin Laden will invest some of their money in a BMI real estate project. While their bin Laden family ties are intriguing, neither have been accused of any knowing connections to terrorist financing. [WASHINGTON POST, 4/19/2004]
Mousa Abu Marzouk. He has identified himself as a top leader of Hamas. The US declares him a terrorist in 1995 (see July 5, 1995-May 1997). BMI makes at least two transactions with Marzouk after he is declared a terrorist. [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/15/2003]
Yassin al-Qadi, a Saudi multimillionaire. His lawyers will later claim he has no terrorism ties and had only a passing involvement with BMI and liquidated his investment in it in 1996. However, another company operating from the same office as BMI is called Kadi International Inc. and lists its president as al-Qadi. Al-Qadi is also a major investor in the suspect computer company Ptech (see 1994; 1999-After October 12, 2001). Al-Qadi and BMI head Biheiri have financial dealings with Yaqub Mirza, a Pakistani who manages a group of Islamic charities in Virginia known as the SAAR network (see July 29, 1983). These charities will be raided in March 2002 on suspicions of terrorism ties (see March 20, 2002). Shortly after 9/11, the US will officially declare al-Qadi a terrorist financier (see October 12, 2001). [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/15/2003]
Saleh Kamel. BMI allegedly receives a $500,000 investment from the Dallah Al-Baraka banking conglomerate, which is headed by Kamel. For many years before 9/11, Omar al-Bayoumi, an associate of 9/11 hijackers Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi, will receive a salary from Dallah, despite apparently doing no work. Some will accuse al-Bayoumi of involvement in funding the 9/11 plot, but that remains to been proven (see August 1994-July 2001). Kamel reportedly founded a Sudanese Islamic bank which housed accounts for senior al-Qaeda operatives. He is a multi-billionaire heavily involved in promoting Islam, and his name appears on the Golden Chain, a list of early al-Qaeda supporters (see 1988-1989). He denies supporting terrorism. [US CONGRESS, 10/22/2003; WALL STREET JOURNAL, 6/21/2004]
The Kuwait Finance House. According to Clarke, this organization is alleged to be a BMI investor and the financial arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in Kuwait. Several al-Qaeda operatives have allegedly been associated with the Kuwaiti Muslim Brotherhood, including Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Suliman abu Ghaith, Wadih El-Hage, and Ramzi Yousef. In 2003, an apparent successor entity to the Kuwait Finance House will be designated as a terrorist entity by the US. A lawyer for the Kuwait Finance House will later say the bank has never let its accounts be used for terrorism. [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/15/2003; US CONGRESS, 10/22/2003; WALL STREET JOURNAL, 4/20/2005]
Tarek Swaidan. He is a Kuwaiti, an associate of al-Qadi, and a leading member of the Kuwaiti branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. It is unknown if he has made any denials about his alleged associations. [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 9/15/2003]
Abdurahman Alamoudi. For many years he runs the American Muslim Council, a lobby group founded by a top Muslim Brotherhood figure. US prosecutors say he also is in the Brotherhood, and has alleged ties to Hamas. In 2004, the US will sentence him to 23 years in prison for illegal dealings with Libya (see October 15, 2004). [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 6/21/2004; WASHINGTON POST, 10/16/2004]
The International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO) and the Muslim World League, closely connected Saudi charities suspected of financing terrorism. They give BMI $3.7 million out of a $10 million endowment from unknown Saudi donors. The Financial Times will later note, While it is not clear whether that money came from the Saudi government, [a 2003] affidavit quotes a CIA report that says the Muslim World League is largely financed by the government of Saudi Arabia. Both organizations consistently deny any support of terrorism financing, but in early 2006 it will be reported that US officials continue to suspect them of such support (see January 15, 2006). [FINANCIAL TIMES, 8/21/2003] In 1992, a branch of the IIRO gives $2.1 million to BMI Inc. to invest in real estate. The money disappears from BMIs books. In October 1999, BMI goes defunct after it is unable to repay this money to the IIRO branch. The IIRO branch gives BMI the rest of the $3.7 million between 1992 and 1998. BMI will use the money to buy real estate (see 1992). Eventually, some of this money will be given to Hamas operatives in the West Bank and spent on violent actions against Israel. This will eventually lead to legal action in the US and a seizure of some of the money. [WALL STREET JOURNAL, 11/26/2002; WASHINGTON POST, 8/20/2003; WASHINGTON TIMES, 3/26/2004; WASHINGTON POST, 4/19/2004] By 1992, BMI has projected revenues in excess of $25 million, based largely on their real estate investments in the US. [US CONGRESS, 10/22/2003] In early 1999, months before BMI goes defunct, the FBI hears evidence potentially tying BMI to the 1998 US embassy bombings (see 10:35-10:39 a.m., August 7, 1998), but an investigation into this will not be pursued (see Early 1999). It should be noted that BMI had many investors, and presumably most BMI investors would have had no suspicions that their money might be used to fund terrorism or other types of violence.
Early 1985: Salem Bin Laden Says Brother Osama Is Liaison between US, Afghan Rebels, and Saudi Government
Salem bin Laden tells one of his employees, George Harrington, that his brother Osama, is, according to a later account by Harrington, the liaison between the US, the Saudi government, and the Afghan rebels. Salem, head of the bin Laden family, also says that he must visit Osama in Peshawar, a base inside Pakistan for the anti-Soviet mujaheddin, to check on what equipment the Saudi government is funneling to him. The two men fly up together with another employee, Bengt Johansson, and meet Osama that day. Osama also gives his brother and the two employees a tour of some facilities in Peshawar, including refugee camps, a hospital and an orphanage, and Salem films them to publicize his brothers charitable work. [COLL, 2008, PP. 7-9]
1986: Bin Laden Works Indirectly with CIA
Osama bin Laden and Pakistans ISI, helped by the CIA, build the Khost tunnel complex in Afghanistan. This will be a major target of bombing and fighting when the US attacks the Taliban in 2001. [GUARDIAN, 11/13/2000; PITTSBURGH POST-GAZETTE, 9/23/2001; HINDU, 9/27/2001] In June 2001, one article mentions that bin Laden worked closely with Saudi, Pakistani, and US intelligence services to recruit mujaheddin from many Muslim countries. This information has not often been reported since 9/11. [UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL, 6/14/2001] It has been claimed that the CIA also funds Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK) (also known as Al-Kifah), bin Ladens main charity front in the 1980s (see 1984 and After). A CIA spokesperson will later state, For the record, you should know that the CIA never employed, paid, or maintained any relationship whatsoever with bin Laden. [ANANOVA, 10/31/2001]
Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga went on record saying that it is widely known among intelligence agencies, including his, that the Mossad conducted 9/11.
Regardless of how morons try to distort facts, or laugh at anyone who questions the government's official narrative - the basic facts remain. The New York Police Dept(NYPD) arrested five Mossad agents who'd set up video-cameras to film the incident from a good vantage point, and were watching the planes hit and people jump from the towers to their deaths, and celebrating; There were explosions in the towers BEFORE the aircraft them; eyewitness demolition experts say it looked exactly like a controlled demolition; controlled demolition was neccessary, as the World Trade Center building was designed to withstand Jetliners crashing into it. The pilots could not even pilot a single-engine Cessna properly at a flight-school a few months before 9/11, and flight instructors were surprised at how they even had a pilot certification.
In 3rd world Pakistan(and most other countries with even a semblance of an airforce), if an aircraft deviates from it's route or is suspected of being hijacked, aircraft are scrambled within a couple of minutes. In the US, with the most advanced air defence network in the world, interceptors don't get airborne for an hour.The North American Aerospace Defence Command(NORAD), responsible for defending US airspace, was compromised at every level:
The list just goes on and on. Doctors going on record saying Osama bin Laden's videos have a different facial bone structure and are different people, conveniently admitting to staging 9/11 and compromising NORAD, from a cave in Afghanistan.
So yeah, saying "it's all been debunked" is really easy, actually looking at the evidence is something else. There are a bunch of sites out there that "debunk" all this "conspiracy non-sense". Then there's sites that debunk the 9/11 debunk websites. And the people here, belittling others for not taking the time out to read a book, should set an example themselves, and just take a little time out to research and LOOK AT THE FACTS(Loose Change, 1 hour long documentary, sums up all the evidence pretty succinctly). A whole bunch of things don't make sense at all, in the official 9/11 narrative, and many of the "debunk" websites that try to support the govt narrative and debunk these "conspiracy theories" use the lack of knowledge in the general masses, to just peddle a bunch of crap. It all sounds scientific, but the answers they provide are pedestrian and proper experts debunk 'em.
Regardless of how morons try to distort facts, or laugh at anyone who questions the government's official narrative - the basic facts remain. The New York Police Dept(NYPD) arrested five Mossad agents who'd set up video-cameras to film the incident from a good vantage point, and were watching the planes hit and people jump from the towers to their deaths, and celebrating; There were explosions in the towers BEFORE the aircraft them; eyewitness demolition experts say it looked exactly like a controlled demolition; controlled demolition was neccessary, as the World Trade Center building was designed to withstand Jetliners crashing into it. The pilots could not even pilot a single-engine Cessna properly at a flight-school a few months before 9/11, and flight instructors were surprised at how they even had a pilot certification.
In 3rd world Pakistan(and most other countries with even a semblance of an airforce), if an aircraft deviates from it's route or is suspected of being hijacked, aircraft are scrambled within a couple of minutes. In the US, with the most advanced air defence network in the world, interceptors don't get airborne for an hour.The North American Aerospace Defence Command(NORAD), responsible for defending US airspace, was compromised at every level:
- - FAA response times for reporting aircraft deviating from their course was MANY times longer than standard practiced response times.
- - Once notified, NORAD failed to scramble jets from the nearest bases.
- - "Once airborne, interceptors failed to reach their targets because they flew at small fractions of their top speeds and/or in the wrong directions."
- - "Fighters that were airborne and within interception range of the deviating aircraft were not redeployed to pursue them."
The list just goes on and on. Doctors going on record saying Osama bin Laden's videos have a different facial bone structure and are different people, conveniently admitting to staging 9/11 and compromising NORAD, from a cave in Afghanistan.
So yeah, saying "it's all been debunked" is really easy, actually looking at the evidence is something else. There are a bunch of sites out there that "debunk" all this "conspiracy non-sense". Then there's sites that debunk the 9/11 debunk websites. And the people here, belittling others for not taking the time out to read a book, should set an example themselves, and just take a little time out to research and LOOK AT THE FACTS(Loose Change, 1 hour long documentary, sums up all the evidence pretty succinctly). A whole bunch of things don't make sense at all, in the official 9/11 narrative, and many of the "debunk" websites that try to support the govt narrative and debunk these "conspiracy theories" use the lack of knowledge in the general masses, to just peddle a bunch of crap. It all sounds scientific, but the answers they provide are pedestrian and proper experts debunk 'em.
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The sources you provided have their opposites. Guess morons are too moronic to check them out.
So yes, everything has been debunked.
And the websites supporting the govt narrative and "debunking" all this evidence on 9/11, have also been debunked by proper experts - which you'd know if you went through the links I posted.
lol, its too obvious.
USA needed a new Pearl Harbour aka 9/11, so they could disturb the Muslim countries for geopolitical reasons.
Prince Naif from the Saudi royal family doesn't believe Saudi youths would do 9/11.
Not to forget USA has disturbed the Muslim countries for a long time.
Example A: In the 1950s USA ousted out democratically elected leader in Iran.
Example B: Illegal war in Iraq in the 2000's.
USA needed a new Pearl Harbour aka 9/11, so they could disturb the Muslim countries for geopolitical reasons.
Prince Naif from the Saudi royal family doesn't believe Saudi youths would do 9/11.
Not to forget USA has disturbed the Muslim countries for a long time.
Example A: In the 1950s USA ousted out democratically elected leader in Iran.
Example B: Illegal war in Iraq in the 2000's.
Yes, true.
Okay, well now time for USA to pack up from Afghanistan. What are they doing there?
The Afghanistan people don't want USA there.
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The man who built the towers are not among those 'proper experts'. Why not?
The group who built the Petronas towers are not among those 'proper experts'. Why not?
Not one reputable demolition company, not individuals who claimed experience and expertise, is among those 'proper experts'. Why not?
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The people who designed and built those towers are "proper experts", and they were shocked that the building could fall the way it did after being hit by passenger jets:
Secondly, THOUSANDS of architects, engineers and demolition experts came forward saying the WTC collapsing unto itself WITHOUT a controlled demolition, made absolutely no sense. The non-profit group linked above, has thousands of expert members calling for a proper, honest investigation into the building collapse. That includes world-renown people like Danny Jowenko, a pretty respected expert, with decades of experience in controlled demolitions.
Seems to me like you've only seen "conspiracy theory debunking websites", and became a victim of their deception. I know they try to sound very "scientific" in their support of government propaganda. But you're an intelligent person, you should take a look at the facts yourself, and see what's what.
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Leslie Robertson intended for each tower to survive the impact of a 707 at low speed, such as take off and landing, not at full throttle.
NAE Website - Reflections on the World Trade Center
For every 'expert' the loony 9/11 conspiracy theories believer can trot out, there are literally tens of thousands of equal experts who shook their heads in disbelief at these people.
Like I said, leave the subject alone long enough and someone will always resurrect the debunked sh1t as shockingly new. It has been 10 yrs and these ya-hoos can only recycle their sh1t.
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debunked or not but the incident had pained the world more than any World war in a sense that it has invented something which will continue to churn terrorism be it drone one or militancy wise.
whoever done it, its a curse
whoever done it, its a curse
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Question is not whether "Americans stage 9/11?" Question is
Does Majority of Muslims (and few non Muslims) Still believe in it????
Does Majority of Muslims (and few non Muslims) Still believe in it????
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There is no sense in common sense in this...
The muslims said it was to justify invasion of Iraq. Then why not implicate Iraqis instead of Saudis? Or better yet, implicate Iraqis who were very close to Saddam Hussein.
The muslims said there were controlled demolitions. Then why use aircrafts at all? Wny not just make it exactly for what they seemed to be: controlled demolitions? Then with cooked up 'evidences' implicating Iraq we have all the 'justifications' we need. Why bother with Afghanistan?
Why be so careless as to have Mossad agents still in the country, aka 'five dancing Jews'?
This has to be the most convoluted and unfruitful conspiracy to date, if not for all time: Instead of rigging the towers to make it so obvious that there were controlled demolitions, we rigged up remote controlled airliners to crash into the towers to hide the controlled demolitions, scattered 'evidences' to implicate Saudis, but then invade Afghanistan which has no oil, then invade Iraq under the WMD 'lie' but if we were smart enough to rig up 9/11 then why not rig a few nuclear warheads around Iraq, then we invaded Iraq supposedly 'for oil' but only to watch the new Iraqi government honor Saddam's oil contracts to Russia and China.
