Which Middle Eastern nation has the most advanced independent space program?

[Rukarl]

I backed my claim very well.

* Israel has 10 operational modern satellites all Israeli made 4 launched by Israel.
* Iran does not have any operational satellite at all.


* Israel satellite launcher with 400 kg capability to LEO.
* Iran can launch only 50 kg satellites which can last only 1-2 months on orbit.

Thus Iran not even close to Israel. Sorry to say.


I did not use it as example, u asked me about current Israeli satellite status, so i told u.

You're trying desperately to avoid the main points I raised. Like a desperate Hasbara troll.

Isreal does not have an active program, what it launched in the past were done with western technology/technical assistance etc.
Unlike Israel, Iran space launches were done without actual foreign assistance, that's why they had to start from smaller satellites and will make its way up. Israel does not even have launch capability anymore,that's why you ask the likes of space-x to launch sats for you. When was the last time Israel even launched a sat?

Iran has put living organisms in space and back, something which Israel has not.

Unlike Israel, Iran has an active space program, having foreigners launch your satellites does not mean you have a space program kid.

On the other hand Iranian Safir space launcher is nothing but North Korean Rodong with additional stage instead of warhead, which is enlarged Soviet Scud.

The only thing the Iranian SLV and north korean system share is their engine.Let me know when Israel can launch a satellite using a 2 stage missile. Like a hasbara troll you know nothing about rocket science. Furthermore, Last I checked North korea barely launched one satellite into orbit. It is still an achievement. Unlike Israel they were not using launchers made with french/western technology and they did not receive western help, however, they did apparently receive Iranian help.

 

[500]

You're trying desperately to avoid the main points I raised. Like a desperate Hasbara troll.

I give u facts, data, satellite names. U are attacking me without any reason.

Isreal does not have an active program

Israel right now has 10 active satellites. It seems u are unable to understand numerals so let me count for u:

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Its huge number for small country. Israel has operational launcher called Shavit.

what it launched in the past

Israel launches new satellites to replace old. Currently Amos 2 communication satellite is old. Replacement was supposed to be launched tomorrow but was destroyed in accident.

were done with western technology/technical assistance etc.

No it was not.

Unlike Israel, Iran space launches were done without actual foreign assistance,

Its total opposite. While Israeli Shavit is indigenous, Iranian Safir is copy of North Korean Rodong.

Israel does not even have launch capability anymore, that's why you ask the likes of space-x to launch sats for you.

It was GEO orbit communication satellite, Israel can launch only LEO orbit. I already told u that all Israeli communication satellites were foreign launched.

Iran cant launch even LEO satellite - only sub LEO which stays for 1 month in orbit.

 

[Rukarl]

I give u facts, data, satellite names. U are attacking me without any reason.



Israel right now has 10 active satellites. It seems u are unable to understand numerals so let me count for u:
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chahar
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Its huge number for small country. Israel has operational launcher called Shavit.


Israel launches new satellites to replace old. Currently Amos 2 communication satellite is old. Replacement was supposed to be launched tomorrow but was destroyed in accident.


No it was not.


Its total opposite. While Israeli Shavit is indigenous, Iranian Safir is copy of North Korean Rodong.

It was GEO orbit communication satellite, Israel can launch only LEO orbit.

Iran cant launch even LEO satellite - only sub LEO which state for 1 month in orbit.

Hasbara troll desperately attempting to change the focus once again. Kid, I am talking about having an active space program i.e developing SLVs, launching, having a manned program. Having satellite in orbit, most of which were launched by outsiders years ago does not equal having an active space program. You have an active program in the same sense that Saudi Arabia does. All you can talk about is some satellites other nations launched for you.


And how is your pic exactly countering my point? I said they share the same engine section and you show me the engine section to disprove my point?


And finally, it is natural for Iran to start off by launching smaller satellites, because unlike Israel it had to actually rely on its own indigenous development and not relying on French/western SLV technology and assistance to have its satellites launched. Thus Iran had to start small and get bigger. Not everyone has the luxury of importing technology an western assistance like Israel does.

It was GEO orbit communication satellite, Israel can launch only LEO orbit. I already told u that all Israeli communication satellites were foreign launched.

Iran cant launch even LEO satellite - only sub LEO which stays for 1 month in orbit.

Israel cannot launch anything without French/western assistance. Iran starts small but gets bigger, like all indigenous programs.

Its total opposite. While Israeli Shavit is indigenous, Iranian Safir is copy of North Korean Rodong.

Shavit is French technology.

As for our Safir SLV, apparently,

This:

Is a copy of this:

It seems your Hasbara brain has malfunctioned.

 

[damm1t]

Well, Turkey relatively stepped in long after Iran and Israel but we also have a reliable road map. Some of them

• Military and Civilian Satellites
• Hall Effect Thruster Development Project (HALE)
• Assembly and Test Facility provides ;

Thermal Vacuum Tests
Vibration Test System
Acoustic Test System
Mass Properties Measurement
EMI/EMC Test System
Compact Antenna Test (CATR)
Solar Array Deployment Panel Test
Multilayer Insulation (MLI) Preparation Room
Battery Storage and Preparation Room
Harness Preparation Room

• Satellite Center
• SLV Development
• Launch Center
• IMECE Project ;

Reaction wheel
Star tracker
Sub-meter camera
Hyperspectral camera
Flight computers
Communication systems
Sun sensor


Gained capabilities, indigenous sub-systems;

Sat roadmap

I see a bright future for Turkish aerospace.

You can find more about Turkish Space Program here
https://defence.pk/threads/turkish-space-programs.230540/

 

[Rukarl]

Well, Turkey relatively stepped in long after Iran and Israel but we also have a reliable road map. Some of them

• Military and Civilian Satellites
• Hall Effect Thruster Development Project (HALE)
• Assembly and Test Facility provides ;

Thermal Vacuum Tests
Vibration Test System
Acoustic Test System
Mass Properties Measurement
EMI/EMC Test System
Compact Antenna Test (CATR)
Solar Array Deployment Panel Test
Multilayer Insulation (MLI) Preparation Room
Battery Storage and Preparation Room
Harness Preparation Room

• Satellite Center
• SLV Development
• Launch Center
• IMECE Project ;

Reaction wheel
Star tracker
Sub-meter camera
Hyperspectral camera
Flight computers
Communication systems
Sun sensor


Gained capabilities, indigenous sub-systems;

Sat roadmap

I see a bright future for Turkish aerospace.

You can find more about Turkish Space Program here
https://defence.pk/threads/turkish-space-programs.230540/

Iran's first satellite launch was in 2009, I hardly say that was a long time ago.
But obviously due to sanctions etc these things naturally slowed down.

 

[500]

Hasbara troll desperately attempting to change the focus once again. Kid, I am talking about having an active space program i.e developing SLVs, launching, having a manned program. Having satellite in orbit, most of which were launched by outsiders years ago does not equal having an active space program. You have an active program in the same sense that Saudi Arabia does. All you can talk about is some satellites other nations launched for you.

Israel launches satellites when its needed, not when butthurt kid like u wants. Currently Israel has 10 satellites (all 10 Israeli made) in orbit including 4 launched by Israel.

Israel does not need to launch satellites often because Israeli made satellites stay on orbit and operate for more than decade, unlike Iranian which decay after 1 month.

More over Israel also exports satellites. One to India and another to Italy.

Iran so far did not make a single proper satellites nor a launcher.

And how is your pic exactly countering my point? I said they share the same engine section and you show me the engine section to disprove my point?

Engine is most important part of the rocket.

Shavit is French technology.

No its not. There is no any French rocket similar to Shavit.

As for our Safir SLV, apparently,

This:

Is a copy of this:

It seems your Hasbara brain has malfunctioned.

[/QUOTE]
Left is Iranian Safir, right - ancient Soviet Scud.

Clear copy.

 

[19887]

Your country which gets billions of dollars of aid and technological aid constantly from the US. Yeah, not so impressive.

The US gives billions of dollars to the US through Israel.
+their "aid" only make us spend more mony in the US

 

[Rukarl]

Israel launches satellites when its needed, not when butthurt kid like u wants. Currently Israel has 10 satellites (all 10 Israeli made) in orbit including 4 launched by Israel.

Israel does not need to launch satellites often because Israeli made satellites stay on orbit and operate for more than decade, unlike Iranian which decay after 1 month.

More over Israel also exports satellites. One to India and another to Italy.

Iran so far did not make a single proper satellites nor a launcher.


Engine is most important part of the rocket.

You're desperately repeating the same thing over and over again.
According to this Hasbara, we're meant to believe nations having more satellites in orbit than another one means they're more advanced. By this logic, Saudi Arabia is more advanced than Iran. That’s not how it works kid. Israel’s satellite are mostly launched by other nations, the ones which it did launch were launched by western technology and assistance. Such as using French SLV technology.


Unlike Israel, Iran actually has an active program, One of the programs involves developing rocket fuelled SLVs, one example is the ghaem, the giant solid fuelled SLV whose first stage alone is 20 meters.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/iran/irislv-x-space-icbm.htm

The launcher sites for these solid fuelled boosters have already been made. Shown below:

Then we also have the Iranian manned space program in which Iran is aiming to put a man in space and back in the near future. The manned capsule is shown below:

The manned program and SLV are talked about by your own Israeli missile expert:

Of course Iran has already put living organisms in space and back again successfully, which is a great achievement, something which Israel has shown no capability to do so, and wont unless the French/west decide to give you assistance once again.


So you see, hasbara troll? Israel does not have an active, advanced space program, and what it does have is based purely on foreign assistance.

Engine is most important part of the rocket.

Engine is an important part, but only a mentally handicapped hasbara would think just having an engine is enough to launch satellites, otherwise all nation whom have a liquid fuelled missile for example could also launch satellites, but they cannot. Having satellite launch capability is very different than just having a normal missile launch. Iraq for example attempted to launch satellites using their missile but failed epicly.

Also, only a mentally handicapped person would think these two are the same:

All you've done is prove what I said about them using the same engine. How desperate are you kid?

Many SLV use same engine, even American use Russian engine, it does not mean they are the same missile, but then again you're just a hasbara troll.

No its not. There is no any French rocket similar to Shavit.

Israel has no SLV technology it is all French/western technology.

 

[19887]

Israel launches satellites when its needed, not when butthurt kid like u wants. Currently Israel has 10 satellites (all 10 Israeli made) in orbit including 4 launched by Israel.

Israel does not need to launch satellites often because Israeli made satellites stay on orbit and operate for more than decade, unlike Iranian which decay after 1 month.

More over Israel also exports satellites. One to India and another to Italy.

Iran so far did not make a single proper satellites nor a launcher.


Engine is most important part of the rocket.


No its not. There is no any French rocket similar to Shavit.

Left is Iranian Safir, right - ancient Soviet Scud.

Clear copy.[/QUOTE]
Just let him troll himself

 

[Rukarl]

Left is Iranian Safir, right - ancient Soviet Scud.

Clear copy.

Who is the one trolling? This hasbara is pretending that I have not told him for like 10 time that these missile only share the engine section. And he keeps showing the engine part to me to claim they are a copy Even Americans use Russian engines.

If you think these are "copies" then you need mental attention, Asap:

Furthermore, sharing an engine is nothing. What matters is having the capability to use a missile to put a satellite into orbit. Then again, hasbara trolls don't understand something as basic as this

 

[Serpentine]

It has russian help, and 10 times the population of Israel, and still can't surpass it. shame

No, there is no Russian help, unlike Israel which has received highest tech during its space program history from Europe and U.S and has cooperation with them in ALL levels. In Iran's case, no advanced country is helping us or cooperating with us.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Hasbara troll desperately attempting to change the focus once again. Kid, I am talking about having an active space program i.e developing SLVs, launching, having a manned program. Having satellite in orbit, most of which were launched by outsiders years ago does not equal having an active space program. You have an active program in the same sense that Saudi Arabia does. All you can talk about is some satellites other nations launched for you.


And how is your pic exactly countering my point? I said they share the same engine section and you show me the engine section to disprove my point?


And finally, it is natural for Iran to start off by launching smaller satellites, because unlike Israel it had to actually rely on its own indigenous development and not relying on French/western SLV technology and assistance to have its satellites launched. Thus Iran had to start small and get bigger. Not everyone has the luxury of importing technology an western assistance like Israel does.



Israel cannot launch anything without French/western assistance. Iran starts small but gets bigger, like all indigenous programs.



Shavit is French technology.

As for our Safir SLV, apparently,

This:

Is a copy of this:

It seems your Hasbara brain has malfunctioned.

Active space programme doesnt mean Launchers alone. It also covers satellite, its quality and operations where Israel has a huge leap. Whether there is any outside help, that's not the scope of debate.

Iran on the other hand, developed through scratch or developed through a long obselete technology, indigenously. Appreciation must be given to that fact. It has good active space programme. But it still needs to improve its launchers, satellite quality etc which it will in due course of time.

 

[500]

No, there is no Russian help, unlike Israel which has received highest tech during its space program history from Europe and U.S and has cooperation with them in ALL levels. In Iran's case, no advanced country is helping us or cooperating with us.

First of all North Korea gives u everything they have. Secondly Russia shares technologies with u:

Kh-55

Shkval torpedo:

Kornet:

T-90SM:

So why they would not share technologies of some 50 year old rockets?

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Iran has a good space program too. And under sanctions. Let that sink in. One can learn from the Iranian
http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Isra...nt-could-fall-behind-Iran-experts-warn-443625

And interesting read @SOHEIL

 

[Serpentine]

First of all North Korea gives u everything they have. Secondly Russia shares technologies with u:

It basically shows you know zero about Iran-Russia relations, but since you troll no matter what, it doesn't matter. All of them are reverse engineered by Iran, Russia did not transfer technology or blueprints of any of those products to Iran. Skval, Kornet, Kh-55 etc.

About that T-90 tank, we don't even know what it is exactly, it may be an imported prototype from Russia.