Military Coup in China, 2030?

[S10]

You got better ideas?

You're a mature, highly educated, high IQ individual?

I am certainly better than whoever wrote and supported this ignorant piece of article.

 

[below_freezing]

Wrong point of view. U.S. Only dismembered him, and to ensure he will not rise. We have to consider the good of our future generations.

We may have been dismembered ourselves by that time.

李克强在家里跟妻子，女儿讲英文。习近平的女儿在哈佛读书。胡锦涛女儿嫁给茅道临，而茅道临的国籍含糊不清。我们的政客都把子女送到国外，咱党还是当年的党吗？咋感觉更像以前我们扶持的非洲政府？如今，党，和军队与国家已经产生了很深的利益分歧；党的核心人物已经效忠米国了，而军队和国家则是米国的对手。代表国家的温家宝，和代表军队的亮光列，都在谈政治改革，而与军队毫无关系的吴邦国则一直强调党必须指挥军队。这说明现在党不仅慢慢地在失去民心，也逐渐地失去了军队的支持。毛泽东时代的共产党和解放军，和现在的共产党和解放军，已经有天壤之别。由于这种利益分歧似乎日益严峻，我估计如果5年内没有巨大的政治改革（或者习，李只有一任），军事政变并非不可能。

 

[a_chinese]

LOL @ these chinese members wanting US to fail and collapse. GET REAL! You fake extremists probably live in the US or some other democratic country

 

[below_freezing]

LOL @ these chinese members wanting US to fail and collapse. GET REAL! You fake extremists probably live in the US or some other democratic country

we are not discussing the US, except in the context of a possible military coup in China.

The US is not a democratic nation.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

We may have been dismembered ourselves by that time.

李克强在家里跟妻子，女儿讲英文。习近平的女儿在哈佛读书。胡锦涛女儿嫁给茅道临，而茅道临的国籍含糊不清。我们的政客都把子女送到国外，咱党还是当年的党吗？咋感觉更像以前我们扶持的非洲政府？如今，党，和军队与国家已经产生了很深的利益分歧；党的核心人物已经效忠米国了，而军队和国家则是米国的对手。代表国家的温家宝，和代表军队的亮光列，都在谈政治改革，而与军队毫无关系的吴邦国则一直强调党必须指挥军队。这说明现在党不仅慢慢地在失去民心，也逐渐地失去了军队的支持。毛泽东时代的共产党和解放军，和现在的共产党和解放军，已经有天壤之别。由于这种利益分歧似乎日益严峻，我估计如果5年内没有巨大的政治改革（或者习，李只有一任），军事政变并非不可能。

关于习和李的女儿的传言估计是来自轮子的，不过老胡的女儿嫁给新浪网的老总是事实，毕竟在中国当官的没有几个是没有政治婚姻的

 

[below_freezing]

关于习和李的女儿的传言估计是来自轮子的，不过老胡的女儿嫁给新浪网的老总是事实，毕竟在中国当官的没有几个没有政治婚姻的

如何解读代表胡锦涛的吴邦国和梁光烈，温家宝两人在军事，政治上的分歧？

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

如何解读代表胡锦涛的吴邦国和梁光烈，温家宝两人在军事，政治上的分歧？

吴邦国以前是上海派，后来才倒戈向团派的

不过军方似乎还是对习太子比胡总更满意一些

习太子的第一任夫人就是因为想出国到英国，而太子不同意，所以两人就离婚了

当时的中国多么穷，但习还是不肯出国，现在贵为太子，西方又开始没落，所以我认为中国的权贵也不是那么NC，损害中国的利益就等于损害自己的利益

 

[Akasa]

I didn't write this. I think that a military coup is a serious possibility.

Based on a single opinion piece written by a 1970s-nostalgic kid?

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Indeed. 80 and 90 after a very patriotic generation. Now, after 80 and 90 after no real power. If the power, then certainly outside is a strong diplomacy. 2030, China's comprehensive national strength has reached a great height, is the time to initiate war. Dismemberment of the United States is the ultimate goal of our generation.

I sincerely hope you either are joking or haven't woken up yet.

 

[lawxx]

Based on a single opinion piece written by a 1970s-nostalgic kid?

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I sincerely hope you either are joking or haven't woken up yet.

This is certainly not a joke, in fact, the voice is not so strong, but the army's voice was very tough. I have served seven years in the Army 39, I would like for the voice and advocate within the army, I have a voice.

 

[Akasa]

This is certainly not a joke, in fact, the voice is not so strong, but the army's voice was very tough. I have served seven years in the Army 39, I would like for the voice and advocate within the army, I have a voice.

And your plan is go to war with the US?

Seriously dude, this is probably the reason you haven't achieved a higher rank. BTW, what rank do you have?

 

[below_freezing]

Based on a single opinion piece written by a 1970s-nostalgic kid?

I sincerely hope you either are joking or haven't woken up yet.

Here's the thing. China has a 3 part political system today - Party, State, Military. In the past, especially during the Deng years, it was that the Party led the State and Military. In particular, the military is considered not just a national military, but a PARTY military. It was not always like this of course. In Mao's day, the PLA was considered a national military alone from 1949-1954.

If the Party, State and Military are united, there's no problem. However, what we see today is the Party, State and Military going on different directions due to differing collective interests. It is in the interest of the Party for China to reconcile with the US; however, it may not in the interests of China (the state) and the military to do so. This is just 1 example. More important differences lie in their fundamental views on national interest and political development. General Liang Guanglie, Defense Minister of China, has called for the independence of the military from Party control, which he believes will strengthen the military. Premier Wen Jiabao has called for political reform and increased democracy. Both of these are DIRECT threats to the CPC, and the CPC (or more precisely, the clique that has hijacked the CPC) will not accept it.

If they make changes too slowly though, or refuse to budge, then there are things that the state and military can do. The state controls the police and the military, well, is the military. The CPC on the other hand, alone, has no physical power; the entire CMC is made up of generals, excluding Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping. If political reform is too slow, or the interests of the military is threatened by the CPC, then it is very possible for a military coup to occur which would remove the civilians of the CPC from power, in the style of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

Then, hopefully, the PRC survives as an entity, suffers 1-2 years of low economic growth, and gets back on its feet. In the worst case scenario we break up like the Soviet Union and become enslaved by the West.

 

[lawxx]

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Here's the thing. China has a 3 part political system today - Party, State, Military. In the past, especially during the Deng years, it was that the Party led the State and Military. In particular, the military is considered not just a national military, but a PARTY military. It was not always like this of course. In Mao's day, the PLA was considered a national military alone from 1949-1954.

If the Party, State and Military are united, there's no problem. However, what we see today is the Party, State and Military going on different directions due to differing collective interests. It is in the interest of the Party for China to reconcile with the US; however, it may not in the interests of China (the state) and the military to do so. This is just 1 example. More important differences lie in their fundamental views on national interest and political development. General Liang Guanglie, Defense Minister of China, has called for the independence of the military from Party control, which he believes will strengthen the military. Premier Wen Jiabao has called for political reform and increased democracy. Both of these are DIRECT threats to the CPC, and the CPC (or more precisely, the clique that has hijacked the CPC) will not accept it.

If they make changes too slowly though, or refuse to budge, then there are things that the state and military can do. The state controls the police and the military, well, is the military. The CPC on the other hand, alone, has no physical power; the entire CMC is made up of generals, excluding Hu Jintao and Xi Jinping. If political reform is too slow, or the interests of the military is threatened by the CPC, then it is very possible for a military coup to occur which would remove the civilians of the CPC from power, in the style of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.

Then, hopefully, the PRC survives as an entity, suffers 1-2 years of low economic growth, and gets back on its feet. In the worst case scenario we break up like the Soviet Union and become enslaved by the West.

Your myths. Army of disaffected government is too weak. Will continue to pressure the military to the Government, the Government changed weak diplomacy.

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And your plan is go to war with the US?

Seriously dude, this is probably the reason you haven't achieved a higher rank. BTW, what rank do you have?

Do not try too simple, there must be a U.S. war, which is a consensus within the. The source of the world and bring disaster to the United States, and only completely dismembered it, so that he can never rise, the world will restore proper order. As this article about the same, and now the young guard officers have little real power

 

[below_freezing]

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Your myths. Army of disaffected government is too weak. Will continue to pressure the military to the Government, the Government changed weak diplomacy.

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Do not try too simple, there must be a U.S. war, which is a consensus within the. The source of the world and bring disaster to the United States, and only completely dismembered it, so that he can never rise, the world will restore proper order. As this article about the same, and now the young guard officers have little real power

我就说一句：反对国防部实体化就是反对毛主席朱总司令，就是否定党在建国初15年的建军成绩。

1950年代，军委副主席都不设，直接由国防部长彭德怀在军委和毛主席领导下指挥军队，当时地方政府在军队一样没话语权。不要一提国防部实体化就上纲到军队国家化，再上纲到地方政府要和中央抢军权，不是无知就是有目的出来乱说。

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解放军为国家军队的时候，中国打了两场胜战。

而解放军在70年代变成了党军之后，我们在对越反击战中吃了大亏。

问题不在于实力；难道刚刚走出战火的越南比顶峰时期的米国还强吗？

问题在于人心。

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[Obambam]

LOL @ these chinese members wanting US to fail and collapse. GET REAL! You fake extremists probably live in the US or some other democratic country

Are you a fake Chinese or another one of them Falun Gong member?

 

[lawxx]

2030

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